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Any Way
Dec 2, 2016, 5:26 PM
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We don't make it into playoffs if we win? Just listened to a guy on SI say he would take Washington over Clemson because they have more top 25 wins..
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No.***
Dec 2, 2016, 5:28 PM
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Yes...
Dec 2, 2016, 5:43 PM
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In 2014 TCU was ranked #3 in the penultimate rankings, played a game and won big, and then dropped to #6 in the final rankings. People that are saying there is no chance haven't been paying attention the last 3 years of CFP existence.
Not saying that I expect it to happen, but Washington, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Colorado are all playing teams ranked significantly higher than VA Tech. Their perceived resumes will improve much better than ours with a win.
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Won't happen. Win, we're in. Lose we're out. That simple.***
Dec 2, 2016, 5:48 PM
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It doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing...
Dec 2, 2016, 5:50 PM
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It doesn't make it a fact. It's just your opinion. Based on nothing but blather. I gave you a precedence in 2014 for what COULD happen. [Not that I expect that to happen, but it is a possibility.]
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Same to you. Win, we're in. Lose we're out. Thanks for
Dec 2, 2016, 5:51 PM
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the history lesson. But, you're wrong. Great story though.
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I'm wrong?
Dec 2, 2016, 5:53 PM
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TCU didn't drop from #3 to #6 in the final 2014 rankings after winning 55-3?
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No, that did happen. I'm saying if we win, we're in. If we
Dec 2, 2016, 5:56 PM
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lose we're out. You gave me a lesson on something that happened once before. I'm saying you're wrong to think we win and get left out. Not going to happen. Zero chance.
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There is a very real difference here
Dec 2, 2016, 6:00 PM
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TCU did not have a conference championship, which the CFP has stated time and again will be strongly weighted.
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No, not strongly weighted
Dec 2, 2016, 6:05 PM
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The conference championships are only used as a tie breaker when the committee doesn't feel there is clear better team. That's been said over and over again by Kirby Hocutt during interviews after the rankings are released.
Once again, I did not say that I expected it to happen. I'm just saying it's a possibility.
In addition, Washington/Colorado and Penn State/Wisconsin will have a conference championship after Saturday.
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if you paid attention in 2014 you would remember the
Dec 2, 2016, 6:19 PM
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Committee Chair commented that the conference championship game, and in the case of TCU, the lack thereof, DID matter to THAT committee.
The only Conference Champion that might be in jeopardy this year, is Washington. That is only because of the "current Chairman" stating the difference between Washington at #4 and Michigan at #5 is very small. Largely due to Washington's low strength of schedule. Our strength of schedule is much higher than Washington and our danger has not been mentioned, period.
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Re: if you paid attention in 2014 you would remember the
Dec 2, 2016, 6:28 PM
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I've been listening and noticed exactly what you did (#4 vs. #5 comparison), but these comments were before Washington played Colorado. We really don't have any idea how much a win against the #8 team will improve Washington's strength of schedule in the eyes of the committee (vs. a win against #23).
Once again, I'm not EXPECTING this to happen. I just think it's a possibility (albeit small).
One thing there is no danger... Michigan won't jump ahead of us!!
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OP said anyway we don't make it in. You seem to be saying
Dec 2, 2016, 6:30 PM
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Washington could jump us but Michigan won't. So who would jump is to leave us out?
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Re: OP said anyway we don't make it in. You seem to be saying
Dec 2, 2016, 6:38 PM
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This is a possibility (small, and not that I think it will happen, just saying there's a chance).
Washington
Penn State #7 vs. Wisconsin #6 winner
The committee clearly feels that the Big 10 is the best conference (current #2, #5, #6, #7 teams). There's an outside shot that they put a 2-loss Big 10 champion into the playoffs. This is a long shot, but I think it's non-zero.
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Orange Blooded [2371]
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Re: I'm wrong?
Dec 2, 2016, 7:16 PM
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They didn't win a conference championship game. Big difference.
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No....OSU Would Be Dropped Before Clemson
Dec 2, 2016, 6:19 PM
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Clemson gets in on all metrics and eye test over last month.
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Re: Yes...
Dec 2, 2016, 6:34 PM
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Not the same circumstances. TCU was not playing for a conference championship in a championship game. It was game 12 for them. That's why they were penalized and dropped by the committee.
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Completely different situations. Just stop it.***
Dec 3, 2016, 4:21 PM
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Washington wouldn't have more top 25 wins?
Dec 2, 2016, 6:03 PM
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in current rankings they beat Stanford, Utah, and then a win over Colorado in PAC12 title game, if we go by the teams rankings when they played they would have 4 with Washington State (who dropped out of the latest rankings)
We will have 4 top 25 wins, Auburn, Louisville, Florida State, and VT in the current rankings and all teams would most likely stay ranked, besides maybe VT who could drop after the loss but I would assume they would still be in the top 25
EDIT: took out Pitt because I mentally blocked out that game my bad
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Re: Washington wouldn't have more top 25 wins?
Dec 2, 2016, 6:08 PM
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The only problem with that is we didn't beat Pitt
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Very true lol even so we still have more top 25 wins?***
Dec 2, 2016, 6:12 PM
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Plus, if we in and UW wins pretty sure we are both in anyway
Dec 2, 2016, 6:16 PM
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I don't think a 2 loss Big10 champ gets in over either of us
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I don't believe so. By the metrics they look at
Dec 2, 2016, 7:11 PM
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We are #2 in Game Control, #3 in Strength of Record and our SoS is higher than everyone we're competing with except Wisconsin (who I think would have a hard time getting in over Michigan).
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