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Oculus Spirit [83006]
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Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 12:08 PM
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1. DW4
2. Steve Fuller
3. Tajh Boyd
4. Woody Dantzler
5. Homer Jordan
6. Charlie Whitehurst
7. Rodney Williams
8. Nealon Greene
9. Chris Morocco
10. DeChane Cameron
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Chris Morocco only got significant snaps one year, so
Jan 30, 2017, 12:18 PM
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I don't know if I would put him in the top 10. But he was a good quarterback nonetheless.
Cullen Harper had really good sophomore and junior years.
Mike Eppley ran the option to perfection.
I would put one of those in the Top 10 ahead of DeChane Cameron.
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Oculus Spirit [83006]
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All true. Thinking Eppley only played a year and a half
Jan 30, 2017, 12:25 PM
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because of injury but should certainly be in there nonetheless. Also, Harper was very good until his last year. Cameron though also ran the option to perfection.
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True but I think Eppley and Harper had better passing
Jan 30, 2017, 12:29 PM
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efficiency #s
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Re: Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 12:20 PM
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1. DW4
2. Tajh Boyd
3. Woody Dantzler
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Homer Jordan
6. Steve Fuller
7. Rodney Williams
8. Nealon Greene
9. Chris Morocco
10. DeChane Cameron
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Fuller at 6? Crazy.
Jan 30, 2017, 12:25 PM
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He has to be at least top 3. If you are going by simply stats then you don't get it. He played in a tougher ACC with fewer games, more huddles and run oriented offenses.
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fuller also won an acc and a big bowl game***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:27 PM
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all bowls were relatively big back then - fewer of 'em
Jan 30, 2017, 3:37 PM
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Still...
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Oculus Spirit [83006]
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Fuller won the ACC in '78. Won the ACC Player of the Year
Jan 30, 2017, 3:30 PM
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twice. Finished 6th in the Heisman voting and led us to our Gator Bowl victory in '78 over Ohio State.
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in the modern era - 2 divisions, ACCCG***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:36 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83006]
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True dat.***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:43 PM
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Re: Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 12:21 PM
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1. Kyle Parker
2. DW4
3. Tahj boyd
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#1 at getting laid.***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:26 PM
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Watson, Fuller, Whitehurst...The rest you can debate about
Jan 30, 2017, 12:28 PM
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where they rank, but that's the Top 3
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TB not in top 3? I would rank him 4th at the lowest.***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:31 PM
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I'm fine with TB being fourth***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:51 PM
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Re: TB not in top 3? I would rank him 4th at the lowest.***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:01 PM
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People put far too much stock into beating mediocre #### teams for Whitehurst and seem to undersell Tajh Boyd's records (that still stand even after DW4). I know different offenses and different weapons, but Charlie had a #### poor season in 2004 only completing 50% of passes and throwing just 7 TDs to 17 INTs, Tajh on the other hand was an all-acc selection every season he started and POY his Jr. season.
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Agree. Charlies teams would have lost to Spurrier's teams
Jan 30, 2017, 1:12 PM
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in 09, 10, 11, 12, and 13 also probably.
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Put Charlie on the 11, 12, 13 teams and we win all three***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:21 PM
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Lutz, TB had no time in 2011. Charlie would have gotten
Jan 30, 2017, 1:24 PM
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killed. Our OL was pretty weak, not to mention the defense.
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Charlie was pretty mobile and he didn't get rattled as easy***
Jan 30, 2017, 2:39 PM
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Do you forget what a great runner TB was. Think about
Jan 30, 2017, 1:22 PM
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the Orange Bowl in 2013 and against UGA that year.
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so you think he would have done better in 04?***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:25 PM
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It would have been hard to do better than 29-7.
Jan 30, 2017, 1:30 PM
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He would have done better in 2005 when we only scored 13 against a not very good coot team.
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so that's a NO on 04?***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:32 PM
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Yep, a no. But Charlie would have lost to LSU in 2012
Jan 30, 2017, 2:06 PM
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and UGA and Ohio State in 2013.
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why would he have lost to UGA OR OSU? That's like saying TB
Jan 30, 2017, 2:07 PM
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would have lost to UT in 03
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Because without TB's running ability, we lose those games.***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:18 PM
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yeah right...He would have been 2010 TB on THAT team***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:36 PM
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Re: yeah right...He would have been 2010 TB on THAT team***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:42 PM
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2010 was also his freshmen year, 2004 was Whitehurst's Jr. year. There's no excuse for a Jr. who at least started a year prior to only throw 7 TDs and 17 INTs in 11 games. In contrast Tajh as a Jr. was ACC POY and a all-american.
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Who's JR team had better players and coaches? Do you
Jan 30, 2017, 1:48 PM
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HONESTLY think TB wins ACC POY throwing the ball to Kelvin Grant and the cast of players CW had in 04?
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My Thoughts on a Top Ten
Jan 30, 2017, 2:34 PM
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1. DW4
2. Tajh Boyd
3. Steve Fuller
4. Rodney Williams
5. Homer Jordan
6. Woody Dantzler
7. Charlie Whitehurst
8. Kyle Parker (before the Auburn game)
9. Chris Morocco
10. Mike Eppley
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I can't see Whitehurst over Boyd or Woody. Boyd never
Jan 30, 2017, 12:31 PM
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beat the Coots but did beat LSU, Ohio State, and UGA.
Whitehurst beat the Coots four straight and beat UT for perhaps his biggest win as far as opponent.
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CW was the first and until this year the only QB to beat
Jan 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
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FSU twice...At the time, the 03 FSU team was our highest ranked W...Watson also beat the Noles twice and also beat the 1,2,3,and 4th ranked teams at some point in his career,He's firmly at 1...And CW is firmly at 3...Love Woody to DEATH, but he's not better than CW...not at playing QB
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Agree. I gave Whitehurst the nod because he did what he did
Jan 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
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without Watkins, Nuk, etc. But If you reversed that, can't argue with you. Maybe it is Watson and Fuller, then a tossup between Whitehurst and Boyd. But Dantzler, oh man....
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If it's a toss-up(which it shouldn't be), 6-1 VS our biggest
Jan 30, 2017, 12:54 PM
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rivals (SCU and FSU) should tip the scales in Big Shooter's favor
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He had Derrick Hamilton and Kevin Youngblood for 2 years,
Jan 30, 2017, 1:16 PM
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Airese Curry for 3, and JJ McKelvey was still around in 2002 with those other guys. No it wasn't Sammy and Nuk, but those guys weren't exactly chopped liver. I think the one year we had a down WR corp was 2004 and Whitehurst had a horrible season that year.
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are you REALLY trying to compare the offensive talent? Which
Jan 30, 2017, 1:24 PM
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one of those WRs would start in 11,12,13? MAYBE DHam? Did Charlie ever play with a RB like Ellington? The best he got was a half a season with JD running a ROB SPENCE offense
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But the gap in production is MASSIVE. This isn't a close
Jan 30, 2017, 2:03 PM
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race that is being decided by who played with better talent. This is a chasm you are trying to bridge here.
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Agree. The Ring of Honor guy with the retired jersey has to
Jan 30, 2017, 12:45 PM
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be in the top two until there are three qb's in the Ring. Watson will be there, so we can put him in the top two. Whitehurst never played on a team like Watson and Fuller had, and was an amazing player. So yeah, those have to be the top three, I think. Dantzler was the most electric player we ever had at that spot, and there is no telling how many games we won simply because we had him and the other team didnt, so I might put him at four. But I agree that the rest are matters of opinion, all were very, very good.
Heck, Williams had a knack for doing the right thing over and over and over again, as good as Watson was at that, I think. Didn't have Watson's skills, of course, but the guy could lead an offense and find a way to score.
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I think Whitehurst gets overrated pretty often.
Jan 30, 2017, 1:13 PM
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He had 49 TDs and 46 INTs for his career. 7.1 YPA.
Boyd had 107 TDs and 39 INTs with 8.5 YPA. I know it was a different era and all, but i still can't imagine putting Whitehurst ahead of Boyd.
Basically he beat a bunch of bad to mediocre Coot teams whereas Tajh lost to a few extremely good Coot teams. That;s the only argument i can see for Whitehurst and not one that i put a great deal of stock in. IMO Tajh could've just easily gone 4-0 against those Coot teams and Charlie could've gone 0-3 against the 11-2 Coot teams.
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Tajh easily over Charlie because of his toughness and
Jan 30, 2017, 1:17 PM
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running ability.
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Tajh was tougher? GTFOOH***
Jan 30, 2017, 1:34 PM
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It's fairly obvious that you are a Tajh hater. And
Jan 30, 2017, 2:41 PM
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with a good number of Tajh haters, there is another aspect that drives their hatred of Tajh, which if you just think a little you can figure out this aspect easily.
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I put Watson at 1 and I LOVED WOODY....That dog won't hunt
Jan 30, 2017, 2:43 PM
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Bob...Point for trying though
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You missed the inside joke on this one...***
Jan 30, 2017, 2:49 PM
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I'm not in your little group Bob, how am I supposed to
Jan 30, 2017, 2:52 PM
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know all your inside gags?
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fair enough...should have known if there was a race bait,
Jan 30, 2017, 3:04 PM
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a Stronger than Average Male was involved, one who put quite a bit of muscle mass on over the years...I dare say you would be shocked if you knew him in HS and hadn't seen him in a while...something something, he would prolly just push you down
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You nailed it***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:05 PM
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By the way, I'm real sorry your buddy lost his cool and went
Jan 30, 2017, 2:47 PM
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FULL racist...Not really, couldn't have happened to a BIGGER ######....Sorry NAT played a part in it, but it is what it is and Mr Cool shouldn't have let it get to him like that...It's fecking NAT for God's sake
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TB's skills didn't translate to the NFL as well as Charlie's
Jan 30, 2017, 1:28 PM
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but we were talking about their performance at Clemson.
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put TB in CW's offenses and tell me he would have done
Jan 30, 2017, 1:38 PM
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better....Because I definitely believe CW would have been better in a Morris Offense
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Re: Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 12:54 PM
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My list:
1. DW4
2. Tajh Boyd
3. Woody Dantzler
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Homer Jordan
6. Rodney Williams
7. Steve Fuller
8. Nealon Greene
9. Chris Morocco
10. DeChane Cameron
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how young are you?***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:56 PM
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Steve Fuller had 22 TDs and 17 INT in his entire career
Jan 30, 2017, 1:15 PM
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I watched him play as a kid. I will give him credit for being the first QB to usher Clemson into semi-national prominence. His '77 and '78 years kickstarted our program.
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4 of those guys you have above Fuller never made an NFL
Jan 30, 2017, 1:24 PM
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team. Fuller ran the triple-option - his ability to throw it on the run made teams respect it. He could run it if he had to. Those 2 things made the pitch work infinitely better...
You gotta move him higher. 
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Re: how young are you?***
Jan 30, 2017, 2:38 PM
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Not sure why you feel you need to insult the other poster for having an OPINION different than yours.
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I didn't insult him, I asked him how old he was because I
Jan 30, 2017, 3:17 PM
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wanted to get his frame of reference...FYI, we are probably from the same generation if he saw Fuller play as a child...Now run along and be condescending and dickish to someone else
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Re: I didn't insult him, I asked him how old he was because I
Jan 30, 2017, 3:19 PM
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Yes because that is not how you were being in the now deleted thread from before... good lord. The one poster was right you sure are acting very NATish lately.
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whatever you say Tigerking 79...please don't push me down***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:21 PM
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Re: whatever you say Tigerking 79...please don't push me down***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:24 PM
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Good lord you are simply not very intelligent if you think I am anything like that race baiting loser.
Never have I once threatened to fight another poster on a message board.
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I see the same similarities in you two that you see in NAT
Jan 30, 2017, 3:29 PM
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and I...I certainly have NEVER RA'd anybody nor have I invented hybrid positions(technically, neither has NAT, but that's another thread entirely), so the comparisons are valid
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Watson is #1 (not even close); Whitehurst up there too.***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:55 PM
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Whitehurst too low...should be top 3 or 4. IMHO.***
Jan 30, 2017, 12:56 PM
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Firmly at 3...He was our second best QB EVER until Watson
Jan 30, 2017, 12:57 PM
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stepped on campus
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Poor guy was always scrambling for his life because...
Jan 30, 2017, 1:01 PM
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...we had no O-line. Just think how he'd shine if he had Dw4's team to play with.
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But it's hard to overlook Homer because he ran the option
Jan 30, 2017, 1:11 PM
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so flawlessly, threw a great ball while rolling out, and led us to a NC and then a 9-1-1 mark in 1982. Plus, Woody was the first college player ever to run for a 1,000 and pass for 2,000. Whitehurst was more of a traditional drop back passer and more of an NFL prospect for sure. I think I'd pick those two by a hair as college QBs over Charlie though.
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Define "TOP"?
Jan 30, 2017, 2:06 PM
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Also since 1975?
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Oculus Spirit [83006]
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1970***
Jan 30, 2017, 3:17 PM
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Re: Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 2:09 PM
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If Nealon Greene had been about 3 inches taller, he would have completed more passes.
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Re: Updated top 10 QBs in Clemson history (or since 1970):
Jan 30, 2017, 3:55 PM
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1. Watson
2. Fuller
3. Jordan
4. Woody
5. Whitehurst
6. Tajh
7. Williams
8. Streeter
9. Greene
10. Cameron
Tajh gets bumped down for two reasons. #1 is 0-4 (yes, those USuCk teams were good...so were those Clemson teams). #2 is playing with four NFL WRs vs. one or zero for most of these guys.
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