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Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 10:54 AM
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Become relevant again (at least on a consistent basis). The model has changed and schools like Miami will never be able to dominate like they did in the 80s and 90s for a lot of reasons. A big one is the lack of an "on campus" stadium (just like Pitt). Miami has to travel 45 mins to get to theirs. Also, new D 1 programs that have popped up in the state since IM last dominated, diluting the talent pool.
Miami will end up more in the SMU, BC, Duke, Cuse bucket than they will in the Bama, Clemson, OU one. JMO though...
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 10:57 AM
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They will be a solid 8-9 win program under Richt. Just like Georgia was. They won't be able to out-recruit Florida State or Florida in-state (Richt wasn't doing that as it was at a MUCH better program), and they'll have to play FSU every year, not to mention Virginia Tech may be on the upswing in the Coastal.
More often than not, Richt will have to beat either FSU twice or Clemson at least once to win the ACC Championship. I just don't see it happening for a long, long time, simply because the Miami program is behind the others right now. They do have the kind of players that Richt would like, but let's not forget that he's only good with an elite quarterback. Can Kaaya be that guy? Maybe, but he will only have him for a year, two at the most then he has to find another one, which led to his demise at Georgia.
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I bet you they threaten our recruiting and FSU's
Dec 3, 2015, 10:59 AM
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and I bet you Miami is about to become a top ACC team again (10+ wins per season).
I'll give him 2 years and they'll compete for an ACC Championship.
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We nearly out recruited him in his own state. Not buying
Dec 3, 2015, 11:57 AM
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 10:59 AM
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You're just being naive. Miami with the right coach can easily with another national championship.
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Maybe if they take the classic
Dec 3, 2015, 11:01 AM
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Miami/South Carolina approach and stop caring about recruits character or academics.
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I think there are obstacles there
Dec 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
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But, I think locale alone would mean they could recruit well enough to make another run at the title.
They face some obstacles in their fan support and stadium, but they also play "enough" good games while not playing a murderer's row to both get some impressive wins to impress the committee (FSU, and FSU/CLEM probably) and not knock themselves out of consideration.
I actually think it's quite a good fit to get Richt in there. He seems to be a solid stable guy who if you give him time could get it done there.
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Re: I think there are obstacles there
Dec 3, 2015, 11:17 AM
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Yeah, lack of recruiting talent definitely contributed to Richt not being able to win the SEC East...wait what?
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Re: I think there are obstacles there
Dec 3, 2015, 1:47 PM
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UGA was probably the best team in the country at the end of 2007. They really needed the 4 team playoff that year.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him more successful at Miami now that he doesn't have to run into Saban in the ACC Championship game.
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I'm not sure about "easily", but otherwise you're both right
Dec 3, 2015, 11:33 AM
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in my opinion.
Miami can be competitive at the highest level, but the old model would be almost impossible to recreate right now. That's why Richt could be THE answer for them.
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Agreed.
Dec 3, 2015, 10:59 AM
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I have seen nothing to indicate that Miami is willing to spend the money it would take to be a top tier program.
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Re: Agreed.
Dec 3, 2015, 11:02 AM
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There's a lot more to a championship program than just the head coach. That's why Miami will struggle to win the big prize.
Richt had every resource a head coach could ever want at Georgia and he never got it done, even against a really bad SEC East over the last 4-5 years. The fact that he couldn't get the Bulldogs to the SEC Championship game with talent like Gurley, Chubb (yes, he was injured I know), and all of the defensive studs they have had is a knock against him.
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Didn't they play for SEC champ in 2012 & were one play away
Dec 3, 2015, 11:58 AM
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from beating Bama in the CCG.
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Were does this money need to be spent and why?***
Dec 3, 2015, 11:15 AM
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You answered where. . Now please tell me why?
Dec 3, 2015, 11:29 AM
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What is the purpose of these multi million dollar facilities?
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Re: You answered where. . Now please tell me why?
Dec 3, 2015, 11:32 AM
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It's a facilities arms race, important to recruits, shows commitment to the program. Do you think Clemson just broke ground on a $62 Million project for funsies?
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Bingo. Important to recruits.
Dec 3, 2015, 11:44 AM
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And Miami has never had a problem with talent.
When they do then your argument will be valid. At that time maybe the admin will start investing more.
Clemson joined the race because they were trying to move up the recruiting rankings and get those kids away from Miami.
Again. . That isn't a problem at Miami. If they start dropping in recruiting then they certainly will have to make changes in their financial commitment. RIch may just be thier Tommy Bowden.
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Re: You answered where. . Now please tell me why?
Dec 3, 2015, 1:49 PM
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Clemson doesn't have the natural advantage of having dade and broward counties. Schools like Clemson and Carolina need the facilities to sell themselves. The U doesn't.
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Re: You answered where. . Now please tell me why?
Dec 3, 2015, 2:10 PM
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You are delusional if you think Miami can recruit on name/location alone.
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They just hired a big name coach. That's a great start.***
Dec 3, 2015, 1:31 PM
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They just hired a big name coach. That's a great start.***
Dec 3, 2015, 1:32 PM
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Re: Agreed.
Dec 3, 2015, 1:47 PM
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Per my understanding, the U had no reservations about, or a lack of financing, for paying players in the Butch Davis era. (Ditto that for the period when BD was at UNCheat.)
Richt will not (knowingly) allow that to happen, and thereby will get down-graded recuits.
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 11:01 AM
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Disagree. Miami only has to deal with FSU and UF for D1 recruiting, plus South Florida has more talent within 30 min than all of those schools you listed. Now I don't think they will ever get back to the level of "The U" but with the right coach they will quickly jump back into national contention. I do think the stadium issue is a big problem but like Dabo the right coach can make anything happen.
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Georgia routinely pulled in as much talent as he will get at Miami and he couldn't win the big game. What convinces everyone that they'll be in the national title hunt overnight? I think he's a good football coach, but the table has been set for him over the last 5 years and he didn't get it done.
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I don't think anyone said overnight
Dec 3, 2015, 11:16 AM
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Or if they did, they are representing what most folks are saying here. Richt, given time, can build a solid program there that can make the occasional run into greatness.
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I agree: Miami Can Be a Sleeping Giant with the right guy
Dec 3, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Richt is a 1/2 gallon gas tank drive to some of the best recruits in the nation. It is reported he is getting 4 million a year which is insane money for a Miami HC.
A school that has 5 national titles in the best recruiting state can return to power.
Richt's job won't be easy, but he is as good of a man as is available.
The Coastal is also a conference that he can dominate quickly with VT and GT on the ropes.
Miami could be a strong program in a year of 2....Heck they won 8 games this year.
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 11:24 AM
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We have to remember that a lot of those recruits want to get OUT of South Florida and their parents want them to get away from some of the negative elements that are there and that some of these kids grow up around.
The days of recruiting like they did in the 80's are over. The days of kids playing 4 years but literally can't read or write are gone.
So it will be interesting to see how Richt does.
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Yeah...that's the ones we get!***
Dec 3, 2015, 12:02 PM
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I disagree
Dec 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
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In fact if I were selling it to recruits I would point out that you get to play in a pro stadium .
And what is the point of having a big on campus stadium? To awe recruits. Miami has never had a problem getting recruits.
Never had problems putting guys in the nfl. Which is another huge concern for recruits. Miami has a good academic reputation.
Miami's recent problems have been coaching. Ritch could change all that.
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Re: I disagree
Dec 3, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Miami fan base is fickle. Even when they're good, they only go to the FSU game. I think Richt will do well, but the gap between 10 wins and a national championship is gigantic, especially with the playoff system in place now.
Dabo has hung his hat on 10-win seasons, but until this year, were we ever really a national championship contender? I would say no.
The real estate where the Alabamas, FSUs, Notre Dames, LSUs, and Ohio States live is very expensive and there aren't a lot of seats at the table. Recruiting is a big portion of success, but so is a culture. A culture (with the exception of Alabama, it seems) isn't built overnight. Richt's "winning the right way" takes time, discipline, and maybe some ruffling of feathers to succeed.
I have no doubt that he will win 9 games a year. But he did that at Georgia with just as much talent, significantly more resources, over a $93 million athletic budget, and over 80,000 people filling Sanford Stadium most Saturdays. Yes, they played in the SEC, but over the last 5 years his primary goal has been to beat a mediocre Florida, the best Coots ever (decent team), Tennessee, and Kentucky/Vandy/Mizzou. And he didn't get it done.
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Ok.. so the thread was Miami would not be
Dec 3, 2015, 11:37 AM
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Relevant under rIch.
Uga was always relevant under rIch even at 9 wins.
Are you saying he won't be relevant at Miami because he won't win the Sec east? I agree.
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Re: Ok.. so the thread was Miami would not be
Dec 3, 2015, 12:16 PM
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I never said they won't be relevant. They'll be a good program. But I don't see them winning national championships or the ACC on a routine basis, sorry.
Everything at Georgia >> Everything at Miami. The only exception is the schedule, which is about the same when you compare the SEC East and an annual game with Auburn. With the new SEC rotation, you only play 2 opponents from the West and they rotate every seven years, so they just played Bama this year..going to be a long time before they see them again.
Just like the ACC, they'll get FSU every year and Clemson every few years. If you can't win at Georgia consistently, what will make Miami any different? 2003, the year of their last BCS bowl appearance, was a long, long time ago.
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You are completely wrong
Dec 3, 2015, 11:31 AM
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Miami has had top 15 and lots of times top 10 recruiting classes just about every year. They don't have to leave south Florida to put together an amazing class. They have had tons of NFL draft picks the last few years including last year. The talent has been there, the coaches have not. I don't see Richt winning NCs (couldn't do it at UGA) but I see probable consistent 8-10 win seasons with maybe a better one here and there.
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I think Richt can win 9-10 games every year there
Dec 3, 2015, 11:38 AM
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and right now they would certainly take that over the 6-7 7-6 years of Golden and Shannon
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Re: Unfortunately for Richt at Miami, they will NEVER...
Dec 3, 2015, 11:44 AM
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The coots don't have an on campus stadium and look at how successful they are.
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