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Orange Blooded [3728]
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To tiger_swimmer...was it a FINANCIAL decision to cancel...
Mar 14, 2022, 4:24 PM
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...the swimming & diving programs at Clemson?
If so, can I assume, it came down to a profit/loss analysis.
Don't drive me into the ground here, but does the Clemson AD publish profit/loss statements for men's basketball?
How much money is being sunk into a program that is possibly, most likely, probably, losing money?
We know that football funds most, if not all in some cases, all of the other sports at a Div 1 university.
I also read one time that perhaps, only, Duke, UNC, Indiana, Michigan, and a few other programs actually have profitable men's basketball programs. That leaves 95% of the Div 1 men's basketball programs wanting for money.
Now the question comes down to just HOW MUCH loss do you take before you decide to can a program, ala, Clemson swimming & diving?
I'm NOT suggesting at this time that Clemson cancel men's basketball. I'm not even sure the ACC bylaws for membership would allow Clemson to cancel the men's basketball program. There would probably be penalties or something of the like.
However, if you do put certain sports under the microscope of profit/loss, and I'm thinking that Clemson swimming/diving must have had this analysis (I may be completely wrong here, and I did check the Clemson athletics site and I did not see a swimming or diving team)...THEN...
MAYBE, just MAYBE, you should give some serious scrutiny to the profit/loss of the men's basketball program, with enough honesty and self-awareness and a critical eye to ask the question that NO ONE WANTS TO ASK, "should Clemson be participating in men's basketball at all?"
The Clemson football program seemed to be in pretty good shape BEFORE COVID-19, and should be back in the RED this year, but the NIL game is ratcheting up with Clemson fighting against BIGGER and DEEPER POCKETS at the BIGGEST alumni bases in the country.
MAYBE dumping the men's basketball program would give some added finances BACK to the football program to be used to enhance or further build the Clemson football program.
While I have always had to accept mediocrity and outright incompetence from the Clemson men's basketball program spanning DECADES, I can honestly say that I don't think I would miss it if men's basketball were cancelled. I mean, I think it would be a RELIEF, seriously.
Then, again, I don't let it get to me anymore, despite what some of you may say, as I now am on 10 minutes of this particular diatribe, but this should get a few good responses.
It just gets to me to see any financial investment throw good money, after bad.
After so many years of disappointment from men's basketball, it feels like to old days of the Chicago Cubs not winning a World Series.
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Re: if true only football and men's basketball make money
Mar 14, 2022, 6:22 PM
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Not tiger_swimmer and while I do not have a lot of insight
Mar 14, 2022, 4:43 PM
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I do know the university conducted an economic feasibility study. The results of that study apparently determined the long-term financial challenge to make the team more competitive were just too great. Ultimately a new swimming and diving facility was badly needed, particularly a 50-meter pool, and the costs were deemed too high.
What they didn't do was bring in consultants, pool contractors, or builders to dig deeper into those costs. No other options were even remotely considered.
Even if you don’t have strong feelings about the decision to eliminate the programs, I do think it is fair to say the process through which the decision was made was handled poorly. At the end of the day, the lack of time and research that was put into the decision was minimal and made hastily.
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Re: To tiger_swimmer...was it a FINANCIAL decision to cancel...
Mar 14, 2022, 5:04 PM
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You don't understand how the money is split up in the conference for men's basketball.
I'm sure we don't make huge amounts of money from it specifically, but it's part of the pie for the ACC payout of television revenue.
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Oculus Spirit [96798]
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Men's basketball is not a financial drain although it is
Mar 14, 2022, 5:06 PM
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definitely a mental drain.
And to your point, I'm guessing the ACC bylaws or TV contract would make it very difficult to drop men's basketball.
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Re: To tiger_swimmer...was it a FINANCIAL decision to cancel...
Mar 14, 2022, 5:53 PM
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No…….it was a “Bubba decision”.
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Others have more details than I do, but the Swimming Alums committed to
Mar 14, 2022, 5:57 PM
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raising the funds to build the 50 meter pool, and fund the program. Terry Don wouldn't consider it. Once they built the Scroll of Honor on the space next to Fike intended for the 50 meter pool, there were considerations of putting it out by Y-beach. Terry Don wouldn't consider it. If the alums were willing to fund, I don't see how it could be a financial decision. It was weird. Especially since they cancelled the women's aquatic sports, so not a Title IX issue, and even women's diving which wouldn't need a new pool.
Despite the inadequacies of McHugh Natatorium, Clemson and Coach Ip were still getting good swimmers that were making NCAAs. Clemson sells itself if you can get kids to visit. But looking at the transformation that a pathetic Georgia Tech program had with the addition of their Olympic pool, a new facility would help a lot.
Terry Don had a hate-on against swimming for some reason.
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Oculus Spirit [76721]
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If we’d fire Brad we’d have the money to support
Mar 14, 2022, 6:06 PM
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it again.
Did I do that right?
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I find your use of CAPITALIZATION amusing***
Mar 14, 2022, 7:05 PM
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UCLA dropped mens swimming years ago
Mar 15, 2022, 8:09 AM
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With a history of olympians. Combination of Title IX and economics.
Clemson sponsors just over the minimum number of sports required by the NCAA, and that’s because they let you count indoor and outdoor track and CC separately. Didn’t they try to drop mens tennis recently? Hard to justify keeping it.
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