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Many posters have sanctioned the saying


May 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

You are a lazy piece of sh!$ by your supportive posts of Brownell.
So from now own I will be addressing that group posters on this board with this term every time they post.
Don’t be a snowflake and complain, it’s the way things are done around sports.
Well, maybe not, I will not stoop that low to demean anyone that way.
I am 63 yrs old, played three sports in high school and never heard a coach talk to a player that way. Been part of many a butt chewing but the coaches were above tearing down a teenager in front of the team.

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May 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

Well I am 58 years old played two sports in high school and one in college. We never went one day on any those teams where the coach didn’t holler scream or plain call you ever name under the sun when you screwed up. Calling someone a lazy piece of sh!t wouldn’t even have batted any ones eyes.

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Okay. But if the story is true (I believe it is)...

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May 3, 2021, 11:00 AM

Brad crossed a line by threatening to take it beyond the basketball court.

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Based on the things I heard many of my coaches say...


May 3, 2021, 11:20 AM [ in reply to Re: Many posters have sanctioned the saying ]

comparatively speaking, calling someone a lazy piece of $#!7 would have been pretty tame and benign.

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Where is the line on this?


May 3, 2021, 11:34 AM

If you are red headed and 6ft tall ...and the coach yelled.. get your red headed, 6ft ### over here..

Would that be socially acceptable because they are characteristics that describe the player?

if so.. then calling some 1 a lazy piece of #### should be acceptable if they are indeed a lazy piece of ####. My ex sister in law is a lazy piece of ####. Fact.

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Everyone's style is a little different.


May 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

I played sports pretty much my whole life including high school and at the collegiate level. Over the years, I played for every kind and style of coach imaginable. I have also coached quite a bit. All coaches have different styles for motivating their players including some who would scream, yell and use profanity (a lot of profanity). The coaches who would used those methods never really bothered me but it's not something that I ever chose to do. Of course, it's a different day and age now. Coaches could get away with that back in my day. Today...not so much.

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I posted several similar comments over the weekend. My


May 3, 2021, 2:40 PM

high school football coaches used a lot of profanity.

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I played from 1974 to 1977. I agree that coaches got away


May 3, 2021, 2:46 PM

with their profanity and other types of punishment in those days.

One game my senior year we had over 200 yards of penalties. So, our head coach made the entire team do 200 up/downs, a.k.a. grass drills "after" we had run sprints for over 30 minutes. Those were part of the punishment after Monday afternoon practices.

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Re: Where is the line on this?


May 4, 2021, 6:42 PM [ in reply to Where is the line on this? ]

That’s just stupid!

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May 3, 2021, 1:58 PM [ in reply to Re: Many posters have sanctioned the saying ]

Exactly! When I played sports the coach was encouraged by parents to be tough on you. Cussing at someone is not "abuse" like some seem to think it is. Also calling out someone for what they are was also welcome. Now that being said I have no problem with him calling him lazy but the POS could have been left out and substituted with tick turd. Lol

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And when a coach cracked the whip I could


May 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

Always see relief in teammates in practice because others gave it all and just wanted to be there. Even during games and meets the coaches were usually a few seconds behind the fans and parents about chasten someone. It seemed to always bring relief to everyone even when I was the guy yelled at cause I usually had a chip or just outright childish and it drove me to compete or at the very least return some pent up hostility on the opposing side! I am not a huge bb fan but it’s been that way for years but if he gets let go or in trouble it should be for his game time coaching.

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May 4, 2021, 6:41 PM [ in reply to Re: Many posters have sanctioned the saying ]

Well I guess you had a miserable life.
Just because someone did it to you and you have done it yourself does not make it right!
I also am close to your age, I doubt that coaches treated you or others that way .
If that happened in any other place other than a sport no one would take it!
It is crazy ! It is stupid and ignorant and classless!

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May 3, 2021, 11:29 AM



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No runs, no passes, no touchdowns, no football post . . Do


May 3, 2021, 11:31 AM

I need to call in my flying monkeys to straighten this out!

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Too lazy to select correct board....


May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

:)

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I played sports since I was very young, at least 7


May 3, 2021, 11:44 AM

The older I got the more aggressive and loud the coaches were. I could never do pushups and was regularly yelled/cussed at by football coaches. I played soccer in West Germany for a number of local clubs and was regularly cussed at by Germans. The worst was the Irish coach. I've never been called the C-word as much as those guys. I think it is the national cuss word of both Irish and English. When it happened you just took it and moved on. I never want to go back to those times. If I was coaching today, something I would never do, I would just make guys run laps. But they would probably complain and their parents would complain that I was picking on them...

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Re: I played sports since I was very young, at least 7


May 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

I think the thought that a large percentage of parents would get upset at a coach for making their kid run laps is an overblown thought. Are there parents out there who would act crazy and think you're picking on their child for making them run laps? Sure, but I just think people overblow how many of those types of parents are out there because those stories get shared each time something like that happens now.

I think most parents would understand and be supportive of a coach making their child run laps due to them not listening, having a poor attitude, or whatever the reason might be. I think most parents would even be cool with a coach calling their child lazy. However, I also think most parents would be upset if the coach called their child a piece of sh!t or any similar reference. Especially if this were done in front of the team.

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I think you may be underestimating...


May 3, 2021, 12:25 PM

how many parents out there don't want or like to see their kids struggle or endure any kind of anxiety or hardship whatsoever.

Trust me when I tell you, most aren't understanding, supportive, or cool with it. You do anything that even remotely upsets junior, you are going to get a call from a parent.

I cut a kid from a travel team one time and his mother told me I ruined his life. He was slow, lazy and not nearly as skilled as the other kids. The only reason he made the team the year before I started coaching was because his father was a volunteer assistant. The mother and father divorced and the father no longer lived in the area.

When I was in high school, we lost a road match against a Region opponent. It was match we should not have lost. On the bus ride home, some of the guys on the team were laughing and joking which pi$$ed-off the coach. He never said a word but at practice the following day, he made the whole team run to the point where several guys were throwing-up. If you did that today, not only would you get fired, you'd probably get sued too.




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Re: I think you may be underestimating...


May 3, 2021, 12:35 PM

Well if you have direct experience with it, and I don't then I concede to your wisdom and experience on the subject.

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I'm my experience...


May 3, 2021, 12:45 PM

most parents don't want to see their kids have to sweat and work for anything.

They want everything teed-up for them so they get the biggest reward with the least amount of effort, and when they don't succeed, you can take it to the bank, it's AWALYS going to be someone else's fault (i.e., the coach plays favorites, the teacher doesn't like my child and picks on him, etc.).




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There is a line there somewhere


May 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

My coaches were definitely more of the make-the-kids-run type than the chew-the-kids-out type, but making kids run until they puke can be dangerous.

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May 3, 2021, 1:10 PM [ in reply to I think you may be underestimating... ]

Seasons.. I only ever had problem with one mom.. ...and her kid was absolutely the worst kid I ever coached...

He struck out, threw a fit.. ran in the dugout complaining. I told him we still needed him to play defense and keep his head in the game. He said no, he wasn't playing anymore so I said fine..go sit on the bench then.

Then his mom went off the handle.

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Re: I think you may be underestimating...


May 3, 2021, 2:57 PM [ in reply to I think you may be underestimating... ]

Parents IMO are more of the problem than a coach yelling at a player and calling him a name. Parents are the reason many volunteers are getting out of coaching. In fact one year my daughter and I coached a 10-11 girls soccer team. During one of the games the girls told us they would have more fun on game day if their parents stayed at home. They were out their to learn the game of soccer but most importantly to have fun. At one game one of the girls was crying because she missed a scoring opportunity. Her mother came over a berated her 10 year old in front of the other kids. Those are the kind of things that mess up their lives and destroy their self confidence.

During baseball season I would get a call many Saturdays from parents complaining about the game the night before or why I dod not let their kid pitch or play a certain position. What many parents fail to realize is the we try to put their kid on the field but at a position where he cannot get hurt.

Parents push some kids into doing something without realizing based on skills and talent they do not belong. Some should be playing in the band, some should be feeding their minds to become engineers because they are not athletes.

Sometimes parents push coaches into difficult situations. For example, If I put a kid at 3rd base who cannot catch you have put him into harms way. If he gets hit in the face by a line drive that kid could be seriously hurt. Then it’s the coach’s fault for putting that kid in a position to get hit. As a coach before the season I tried to explain this to parents but many choose not to listen. Kid get hurts it’s the coaches fault, parents refuse to accept part or all of the blame.

Parents interference became such a problem that I finally gave up coaching. I started giving that time back to my family even though I loved coaching and loved those kids.

As these kids reach higher more competitive levels the more pressure kids must cope with. I tried to teach them to handle pressure at a slower pace while they were young. As they played at a higher level and were older I tried to teach them the pressure to compete would increase. My philosophy as a coach was to increase the pressure at each level but to still make sure the kids were having fun and I tried minimize a parents coaching instructions during practice. Each season I would have a meeting with only the parents.I gave out a do’s and don’t list and emphasized how important positive support from mom and dad were. About 2 weeks into a season I guess they forgot those rules.

IMO no matter what level of competition a parent interferes on behalf of their kid or interferes with the coaches they hurt that kids future. The more it happens the less a kid learns to cope with the ups and downs in life on their own and they rely on their parents.

When you reach HS level activities, kids really start to find out what their talents are. What’s sad is that many parents then start trying to live through their kids and may push them in the wrong direction. Some parents continue to run interference for their kids so when they reach a higher level like college sports you have incidents like the one involving Coach Brownell and the cry baby walk on. If I were that kid there is no way my parents get involved. I would not even tell them about it. I would ask Coach Brownell what I could do to get better to help the team. By quitting one time when it gets tuff, it makes it easier to quit the next time life gets a little tuff. Then you become a quitter throughout life. This is one reason I am not a fan of the transfer portal at the college level.

Some parents are turning their kids into whiny enabled people who never learn to cope with life. At 40 they still depend on mommy and daddy!

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Two things...


May 3, 2021, 3:39 PM

1 - Meddling micromanaging helicopter parents are the worst, and I've had more than my share of them.

2 - Parents are incapable of being objective when it comes to fairly and accurately assessing the skills, talents, and abilities of their own kids.

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Re: I think you may be underestimating...


May 4, 2021, 6:47 PM [ in reply to I think you may be underestimating... ]

You do not know the McBride’s

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Recently, last month


May 3, 2021, 1:34 PM [ in reply to Re: I played sports since I was very young, at least 7 ]

A friend told me that their grandson was taking karate. A requirement for a belt was that the child had to do so many sit-ups. His mother, the daughter-in-law, researched on the internet and found a number of articles that stated something to the effect that a child at that age does not have the stomach muscle development to enable them to do the required number of sit-ups that the instructor was requiring. She walked in with all the information, in a nice neat package and informed the instructor that her son cannot do the required sit-ups and therefore that requirement is not fair. The instructor said sure, and now he doesn't have to do as many sit-ups. And, he still gets to get his new belt.

I remember taking judo classes and the old-school japanese guys and instructor would show up with the old-school stiff waffle weave Gi's. We would get thrown on the thin mats and their Gi's would take the top layer of skin off of your face when we did ground work. You didn't complain, you just figured out how to keep your skin. And if someone wanted to give you the shoulder of justice you figured out how to do it to them

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"As I watched the game yesterday I couldn't help but feel crushed. We beat Furman by 4 TDs, but to me it looked like we got whipped."

"George Bush, we are reliably informed by the media, has the IQ of a moron, though how he matriculated from Yale and Harvard or flew an F-106 will remain an unexplained mystery. Doubtless his father bribed the airplane to fly itself."


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May 3, 2021, 1:32 PM [ in reply to I played sports since I was very young, at least 7 ]

I still trying to figure out the "c word". Oh well. I'll just stay retired.

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hmmmm not sure how to say this


May 3, 2021, 1:37 PM

it's the C word you never call a woman in the U.S. Apparently it's what guys in England, Ireland all call their friends.

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"Richardson was the 20th Gamecock arrested since Spurrier was hired in Nov. 2004"

Fluxus®
"As I watched the game yesterday I couldn't help but feel crushed. We beat Furman by 4 TDs, but to me it looked like we got whipped."

"George Bush, we are reliably informed by the media, has the IQ of a moron, though how he matriculated from Yale and Harvard or flew an F-106 will remain an unexplained mystery. Doubtless his father bribed the airplane to fly itself."


Re: hmmmm not sure how to say this


May 3, 2021, 1:45 PM

TIGERFANN said:

it's the C word you never call a woman in the U.S. Apparently it's what guys in England, Ireland all call their friends.


Chunky?
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Cow?
Comely?
Curvaceous?
Coot?
Did I win any steak knives?

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May 4, 2021, 7:50 AM



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Re: Many posters have sanctioned the saying


May 3, 2021, 12:32 PM

Isn’t it funny that basically only the vocal brownell haters find this behavior unacceptable? Only the over-dramatic, over-reactionary snowflakes have a problem with this.

Again if you find this appalling, then you should be calling for Dabo, venables, and numerous other assistant coaches to be fired. Let’s hear it! Create some threads about firing Dabo for chewing out players and grabbing their helmet and pads aggressively.

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May 3, 2021, 12:33 PM

My guess is that his response was not to the single instance that may have just occurred. After many years of teaching, I tend to take what the student said with a grain of salt. I am not disputing the reported language, but we know none of the context. Had the player in question been mouthing off in the locker room, disparaging the coaching staff internally and externally, displaying a lack of energy and malaise during practices, and giving the instructor constant displays of scorn (eye-rolls, snickers, raised eyebrows, etc) for months on end.

Despite what I'm sure was an earned admonishment, coaches (and teachers) need to rise above their most base instincts.

Finally, was this a one-off or part of pattern. If part of pattern, an administrative corrective is in order. If previously addressed by HR and the pattern continued, severance is an option.

As an aside and in my experience, it is often the least gifted and talented students who display the greatest disregard for their peers and leaders (coaches, teachers). Their scornful attitude is often driven by a subconscious desire to bring everyone else down to their level - - and can be triggered by a familial situation in which the student has been told how they are exceptional with little effort to also constructively criticize and point out shortcomings. Then they go off to college and run into someone that doesn't value their special gifts as they had previously been accustomed.

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I never told my parents anything that a coach said to me....


May 3, 2021, 1:00 PM

Because my parents would agree with the coach and tell me I better work harder. As a former coach and long time educator, it is obvious the direction that most parents take. When their child screws up or isn't playing, they try to find something that the coach or teacher did wrong. That deflects the attention off the kid. Unfortunately, the lesson learned by the kid is that mom and dad will run to help me when times are tough. That doesn't translate into the real world. We had a conference with Milliken a few years ago and the guy doing the presentation said that he had observed the same issue. I don't understand that type of parenting. Personally, I want my daughter to go through adversity. I'm not going to be around forever and I want her to be ready for life's curve balls.

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One expects coaches to have slightly higher IQ's


May 3, 2021, 2:17 PM

at the university level. And with Dabo Swinney, we all see an example of crafty intellect, sincerity and stick-to-itiveness. And with Brownell, meeehhhh ...

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Re: One expects coaches to have slightly higher IQ's


May 4, 2021, 8:24 AM

How about that Bucknut blogger calling Dabo a sleezy snake oil salesman in Western South Carolina?

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