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Turnovers and defene wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 1, 2015, 6:48 AM
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Don't get me wrong, the winning is the only thing that matters but the turnovers have caused us to have games much closer than they should be.
Unfortunately, NC has enough Talent on Offense where we cannot lose 3 turnovers and expect to rollover them.
This team was +3 in the turnover margin against FSU and that was the best win IMO. We made adjustments to make Cooke a non factor after the first Quarter.
It is not as if one person is making the turnovers. They are coming from a variety of people.
My only coaching experience with turnovers has been with 8 to 10 year olds and you just work with fundamentals with them.
We have some of the best skill players in the nation. I am not sure what you can do to clean up the turnovers. I know other teams are going to watch the films and try to strip the ball.
I will be at the ACCCG and really expect us to beat UNC but I am a bit concerned about the turnovers.
Anyone else have any insights to why we are turning the ball over so much the last few games?
Dean
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Many have said the defense looks tired at times.
Dec 1, 2015, 6:55 AM
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Venables even stated he would like to see them play a full 60 minutes. But I feel that other than a few chunk plays, that it's mostly following the turnovers, that you see them making mistakes. As long as the turnovers are fixed (and I'm sure the coaches will continue to stress this), I think Clemson wins handily. This will certainly help offensive and defensive efficiency.
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Re: Many have said the defense looks tired at times.
Dec 2, 2015, 5:58 AM
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Venables is just keeping his boy's egos in check. There's is nothing wrong with our defense. We've substituted liberally over the past few games and worked more toward handling UNC than USuCk last week.
Our coaches have this under complete control.
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Re: Many have said the defense looks tired at times.
Dec 2, 2015, 6:11 AM
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The offense needs long sub stained drives for scores to keep our defense fresh. After this week we have a few weeks to get our legs back and then we will show out in the playoffs. Go Tigers!
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UNC can't stop our rushing attack.
Dec 2, 2015, 6:28 AM
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Their defense will be cooked before halftime. They'll come out of the locker room with refreshed emotions which might last 8-10 minutes of game clock time.
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The defense will have no excuse Saturday
Dec 1, 2015, 7:11 AM
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If they can't suck it up for one last game where the season is on the line, to me it says that they weren't very good to begin with.
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Re: The defense will have no excuse Saturday
Dec 1, 2015, 8:04 AM
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We have 6 games this year with a turnover differential of -2 or greater. We have won all 6 of those. That is statistically HIGHLY UNLIKELY. It is not all on the D. We will NOT win the next 3 with a -2 TO diff. The D needs to create turnovers, the O needs to hold on to the ball. Do that, we beat anyone in the country.
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Re: The defense will have no excuse Saturday
Dec 2, 2015, 2:46 AM
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I agree 100% that it is a testament to how good this team is that they have turned the ball over so often yet are still undefeated,
However, we now have games against UNC (They are one of the hottest teams in NCAA right now), then Alabama, Oklahoma, Iowa, or maybe Michigan State,
All those teams (with possible exception of Iowa which I am just don't know for sure) are teams that are forcing turnovers and are turning them into points.
Our turnovers many times are 14 point swings. Our offense only seems to stop itself and if we give the ball over on the plus side of the field, we are likely giving them 7 points and taking away 7 points from our offense on many occasions. This is the difference between a 5 point win (even with garbage time TD) vs a 24 - 28 point win.
I disagree about out defense not tiring out. They do not seem to be playing as well in the 2nd half since the FSU game where they played their best 2nd half, They also are having a lot of blown coverages and missed assignments. I think our LBs are being caught out of position the most.
We have some of the best corners and safeties in the nation plus some beasts on the front 7. We should dominate games more. We should not be given up 400 + yards to the coots or in a 10 point game against Syracuse. We didn't score a TD in the 2nd half against Wake.
All we need to do is go +1 to + 2 against the better teams in the nation and we win easily. However, although our defense has played well all season but not as good lately, at least we have the best defensive coordinator in the nation IMO.
I would like to think we win out and get our 2nd NC but I am very nervous about the turnovers and also very nervous about our defense giving up big plays. I really feel NC offense is as good as any we have played this year. I am sure I am in the minority here but I feel like UNC might be a harder game than the playoffs I like the way we matchup against Alabama, Michigan State, and Iowa. I don't like the way we match up against Oklahoma right now. Even though we killed them in the bowl last year, they have a great running game going right now. We run a lot of unique read option plays but the bottoms line is t hat running the ball and stopping the run is the key to winning the NC.
Dean
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Solution to turnovers & defense wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 1, 2015, 8:31 AM
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Yes, the turnover solution is very simple. Rule #1 if you are the ball carrier--When you are the ball carrier, USE TWO ARMS/HANDS TO COVER THE BALL WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE TACKLED. I haven't watched the reply but I only saw that ONCE during the game. The offense needs to stop handling the football like it was a nerf ball. I've seen Watson, Gallman (the least often), Scott, Cain, McCloud, Bryant and Leggett all do this during the season. If you let it hang out, someone is going to get it. We also need to stop turning the ball over inside of our 30 yard line. That makes the game ridiculously easy for the opponent to win based on little production.
Keys to beating UNC:
1. Running the ball (UNC's run defense is mediocre).
2. Keeping the ball=no turnovers + running the ball.
3. Stopping UNC running game (Defensive Ends must contain the edges).
4. Limiting big plays of UNC offense=covering your own man). Have to stop the slants and crossing routes.
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Re: Solution to turnovers & defense wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 2, 2015, 6:21 PM
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Completely agree. But, the edges haven't been the problem. It's the plays up the middle that have killed us. I just hope that our LB's play 100% from here on out.
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Re: Solution to turnovers & defense wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 4, 2015, 1:40 AM
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I agree that the LBs have been a big problem. I think communication have caused blown coverages on road games.\
Make no mistake, UNC has a offense that can look scary at times (Yes ours is better) but when the UNC QB does that long option read handoff to the running back when need our LBs to be hitting both the RB and the QB,
The UNC QB can be rattled and I would expect BV to have new blitzes and different schemes for the ACC Championship game. I mm hoping that he was testing different options against Cuse, WF, and Coots and we see the defense that we saw against the 2nd half of FSU vs UNC.
I know I have beat the turnovers to death but I feel UNC is a game where we can not go worse than -1 in the game and win.
I also think UNC has some defensive problems. They have jumped on teams so fast and build big leads that it is hard to tell how good their defense is. NC State scored 4 garbage TDs against them after being down 35-7 in the 1st QTR. I think we are going to have to run the ball and then take our deep shots when we get 1 on 1 coverage on the outside.
UNC is the only team we have played this year that really has three legitimate deep threats (all tall also), an extremely mobile QB, and a RB that can get tough yards but also break a 3 yard run into a 60 yard TD. I really think this is going to be the biggest challenge BV has had this year so far.
I really hope I am wrong and we just blow them out of the stadium. However, there offense looks like a challenge and I would have felt much better if our defense had not given up so many points and our offense had not turned the ball over so many times.
I am just wanting to get through my work day on Friday and get ready for the drive to Charlotte on Saturday.
Being the ACC Champs and the Number 1 seed in the playoffs is as good as it could possibly be and I don't think many people expected that this year. I expected next year to be our really exceptional season.
I cant help but wish we had Mike Williams for this game!
Go Tigers!
Dean
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Re: Solution to turnovers & defense wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 4, 2015, 4:12 AM
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The biggest challenge of the year was FSU and Dalvin Cook. Sorry, but that kid is an absolute monster. Granted he killed us in the first half but they clamped down and hit him in the backfield or changed the line of scrimmage. We get Elijah Hood early and often in the backfield it changes their offense. For the zone read to work they have to be able to run the ball consistently, and be able to throw the ball. I don't see their WRs beating Tankersley and Alexander consistently for this to work so this will have them lean heavily on the run game to suck the defenders up to be able to throw the ball down field. FSU has more athletes on the field than UNC. Put Mack on their best WR and watch the show. The Linebackers need to fill correctly and quickly to get them behind the chains. Running on the edges is not going to be easy with Shaq and Kevin and I think that Watkins, Reader, Pagano, and Wilkins will do a great job of beating their men up front to keep our LBs clean. Going off of those FSU runs early in the game there was a lot of holding after I watched that game, but they can call it on every play if they wanted to. We just have to get off of blocks. That's just on the defensive side of the ball. On offense we need to set the tempo and get UNC on their heels and have them rethink the run first attitude. Williams isnt the threat throwing as he is running. Make them try to throw to beat us. Get pressure and hit him early and often.
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WE HAVE 8 LOST FUMBLES IN 12 GAMES!!!!!
Dec 2, 2015, 6:36 AM
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And 3 of those were this past Saturday. That's 5 in the previous 11 games. Schuessler, McCloud, and Bryant are 4 of those. That's 1 freaking fumble lost by our starters in 11 games prior to South Carolina. So, when you talk about turnovers you're really talking about Watson's 10 interceptions. You really want to start complaining about Deshaun Watson? Seriously, get it together people.
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Re: WE HAVE 8 LOST FUMBLES IN 12 GAMES!!!!!
Dec 2, 2015, 4:27 PM
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The topic has been about the recent turnovers and a lot of people you listed are starters are big time contributors. I am only pointing out that the turnovers are recent and thus the close games.
Watson is th best QB in the league but even he would tell you that he threw way too many INTs earlier in the season.
I am just pointing out that we cs not expect to beat playoff caliber teams while turning the ball over 3 times a game.
This is very unusual for Clemson and for any undefeated team. I wish it is was a minor thing but it could turn out to be a huge issue.
We completely dominated FSU in the 2nd half of the game and won't the turnover battle. We have not looked the same since then.
I am hoping Tarheels are all we need to fix this issue.
Dean
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Do you know that UNC dropped more balls in the last 3 games
Dec 4, 2015, 6:00 AM
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than Clemson did? 10 vs 6. Marquise Williams alone put it on the ground 6 times--3 in the VT game. They only lost 5, while we lost all 6.
They have their own problems too.
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Re: Do you know that UNC dropped more balls in the last 3 games
Dec 4, 2015, 6:11 AM
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I think a lot of people are reading too much into what the major media outlets are pushing. They didn't even mention the Heels as a potential top 10 team, now a couple of wins against NC State and Va Tech have them capable of beating a proven No. 1 team?
I just don't see it...
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Re: Do you know that UNC dropped more balls in the last 3 games
Dec 4, 2015, 6:22 AM
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UNC has lost 6 turnovers themselves the last two games, dont you think OUR offense will take advantage of THEIR turnovers???? Some of you worry about crap just to worry, and when you post it on here, it makes you look like a coot. Not saying you ARE one, just SOUND like one.
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Re: Do you know that UNC dropped more balls in the last 3 games
Dec 4, 2015, 11:23 AM
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I just hope you guys are right because I don't see how we can win the playoffs if we keep losing the turnover battle.
We have been a program that traditionally does not kill ourselves in games with turnovers, badly timed penalties, and other issues. Our teams should not be beat or keep opponents in by making dumb mistakes.
This team is good enough to overcome 10 turnovers in 3 games mainly because DW4 is at his best in the 4th QTRI
I don't know if anyone mentioned this but fatigue could be part of this. The Thursday night game at Louisville and then having the week off after Week 3 was way too early for our bye week. We really need to have our bye week at Week 5 or later. That is a lot of games in a row for a college team.
I wish they would cut the games down to 10 a year and have a 16 team playoff with the higher seed game being at home. However, this would never happen because schools make too much money playing SE Louisiana Tech.
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Re: Turnovers and defene wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 4, 2015, 6:42 AM
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They are turning the ball over because sometimes they throw interceptions. Sometimes Watson has made a bad decision and the defense intercepted.
Sometimes he has thrown a little floater with no Zip and they intercepted and sometimes his receiver decided not to turn in to a defender or even decided to try and not catch a ball at all.
Sometimes they have fumbled. Sometimes the fumble was caused when the runner was having a great run and trying for every inch of yardage possible and the defenders strip the ball or punch it out . A very few times the fumble has been an exchange problem between Watson and the running back. Several times they were unforced errors on punts being muffed.
Now did you watch the games ? I know this sounds smart ellic but No one fumbled on purpose or threw an interception on purpose and they know they need to fix the problem and it has been multiple people with fumbles so I think they will fix it.
Really I think the interceptions were a bigger problem and the last game there were not any interceptions.
The ref could blow a whistle when forward progress has ceased and that would help as well
12-0! Go Tigers beat UNC!
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Yes "The ref could blow a whistle when forward progress has
Dec 4, 2015, 7:52 AM
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The ref could blow a whistle when forward progress has ceased and that would help as well
12-0! Go Tigers beat UNC!" They were mob abusing Scott after forward progress had stopped - preplanned revenge I am sure, but ref could have blown whistle before ball was taken from him.
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Re: Turnovers and defene wearing down in the 2nd half
Dec 4, 2015, 8:02 AM
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Provocative post and I commend you for that. I must admit I'm an orange kook aid drinker. However, there were 3 turnovers Safurday. No interceptions, a positive. Two were from Gallman who just returned from being off and IMO ran well but was rusty. The third came from someone aggressively fighting for extra yards. Plus, they were actively stripping the ball regularly. I think this was a good game for us to play this game bc now we are better prepared for stripping. I'll take a random fumble as long as it's rare if my receivers are fighting for extra yards. However, I bet that is cleaned up this week. I think we win the turnover margin this week. DW will be razor sharp. We win this game. Go Tigers!
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