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Legend [15492]
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Trump agrees to sign EO to end separating families
Jun 20, 2018, 1:36 PM
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Strong man caved...
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President Trump confirms to reporters that he’s going to sign an executive order. That comes after his officials have been saying for days that their hands are tied, this is a problem for Congress, etc."
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Oculus Spirit [78865]
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at least he has the ability
Jun 20, 2018, 1:38 PM
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to change his mind
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Oculus Spirit [97703]
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Hope he puts a time limit on it
Jun 20, 2018, 1:41 PM
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to make Congress DO SOMETHING.
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That worked wonders with the DACA pull***
Jun 20, 2018, 2:40 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97703]
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That's why I wouldn't do it.
Jun 20, 2018, 3:39 PM
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The issue will never go away until Congress acts. As it stands, immigration laws are set by whoever is elected President because they can either enforce or ignore whatever that want to in the existing law. It's bad. Not how we're supposed to function. And this kind of stuff can bleed to other areas, and does. It places too much power in the executive branch, and undermines all of our laws really.
Maybe Trump can take a different approach. There's no standing for a case against the President by Congress if it's a lack of executive enforcement they agree to allow. Maybe Trump should pick another agency and another law to decide not to enforce with an executive order. I would suggest the IRS. At that point, Congress would certainly step up and take that to the Supreme Court. Trump can then argue his case citing decades of willful disregard for enforcing immigration laws passed by Congress.
Still think Trump (or any President's biggest accomplishment) could be endorsing an Article V convention to force term limits on Congress. Without the carrot of perpetual reelection, and Congress no longer being a career, you would have more willingness to address controversial legislation. While not being able to do anything about it directly, the President could educate the people on the issue, the capability of states to add amendments, and the reason, and support one or perhaps two amendments and keep the focus narrow. Congressional term limits, if focused on solely, would pass in 35 states. Trump has proposed support for term limits, but he's not endorsing an Article V convention of the states. It will NEVER be passed by Congress. No way that ever happens, I don't care who the President is. But term limits would actually increase the power of Congress, which we sorely need. No longer would Congress need to be content to punt controversial issues to the executive to deal with. A lame duck Congressman would be a powerful force of reason in an otherwise politically paralyzed Congress.
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i remember when democrats hated trump executive orders***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:40 PM
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^this***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:41 PM
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Re: ^this***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:42 PM
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Dude, you can't 'this' your own posts...
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... that were illegal***
Jun 20, 2018, 4:33 PM
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Trump's doing what Obama didnt have the courage to do
Jun 20, 2018, 1:40 PM
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thats the headline from tonight's FNC broadcast 
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Re: Trump's doing what Obama didnt have the courage to do
Jun 20, 2018, 1:43 PM
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True. Hey wait a minute, didn't Kiersten Nielson the Sec. Homeland Security just say yesterday that ONLY Congress could fix this?
What? That can't be right....Kiersten too?
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only congress can make it law
Jun 20, 2018, 2:03 PM
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executive orders can be gone as fast as they come
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Re: She is right, since this EO is probably illegal
Jun 20, 2018, 9:04 PM
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Obama did not separate families.
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yes he did***
Jun 20, 2018, 9:17 PM
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it'll be cool when the dems start complaining that he's
Jun 20, 2018, 1:41 PM
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abusing his EO power when it doesn't serve them.
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^^^that^^^***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:42 PM
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ain't nothin' but a g thang***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:44 PM
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tell me the Dems aren't gonna see this as a win for them***
Jun 20, 2018, 1:54 PM
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They are politicians
Jun 20, 2018, 2:45 PM
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yes? Nuff said
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I think the point here is the the EO....
Jun 20, 2018, 3:11 PM
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goes in the face of a previous court ruling. Meaning that the EO is going against existing law.
I don't see how anyone can support fixing this with an EO, which that EO runs counter to the law, when Congress should be the one fixing it through legislation.
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No disagreement, and I'd view it as a temporary band-aid in
Jun 20, 2018, 3:21 PM
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the name of expediency. Fix it correctly when Congress gets around to it.
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I hear ya, but don't you have some...
Jun 20, 2018, 4:52 PM
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fundamental problem with the POTUS issuing an EO that he knows is counter to a previous court ruling and existing law?
Congress needs to step up and should be able to quickly. I think I saw where the House is voting on something tomorrow.
I think equal pressure needs to be put on the dems in the Senate to now stonewall this for political gain.
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The issue for them is...
Jun 20, 2018, 5:10 PM
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they're treating this whole thing as being due to the Trump policy, rather than to underlying law. Schumer wants Trump to go back to "catch and release," which actually wouldn't even end child separation in the reduced number of cases when adults who entered the country illegally with children are prosecuted. So they lose leverage against the Trump policy if legislation is passed addressing the underlying legal issue, rather than Trump just changing his policy. My guess is that because the EO both continues the new Trump policy and allows families to stay together during prosecution, they won't be happy with the EO.
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I think I liked TXTF better when he was just a punchline
Jun 20, 2018, 2:30 PM
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for butt stuff.
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He's gone the way of ClemsonPoker489, methinks.***
Jun 20, 2018, 2:33 PM
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Re: He's gone the way of ClemsonPoker489, methinks.***
Jun 20, 2018, 2:42 PM
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I don't see how it's a cave...
Jun 20, 2018, 2:41 PM
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I listened to the coverage while at lunch. Sounds like the EO will say that children can be held with their parents while being held on federal immigration charges. This goes against previous court rulings, so it's for sure going to be challenged. Word is they're hoping the judge on the previous ruling will reverse her ruling.
So people that cross the border are still going to be charged criminally. The goal wasn't to separate kids from the parents, the goal was zero tolerance for illegal crossings.
So how is it a cave?
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Re: I don't see how it's a cave...
Jun 20, 2018, 4:08 PM
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Re: I don't see how it's a cave...
Jun 20, 2018, 7:01 PM
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I listened to the coverage while at lunch. Sounds like the EO will say that children can be held with their parents while being held on federal immigration charges. This goes against previous court rulings, so it's for sure going to be challenged. Word is they're hoping the judge on the previous ruling will reverse her ruling.
So people that cross the border are still going to be charged criminally. The goal wasn't to separate kids from the parents, the goal was zero tolerance for illegal crossings.
So how is it a cave?
Really? Do you really have to have this explained?
They were separating children from their parents because they were using the separation as a deterrent to illegal immigration. They placed a policy into effect that charged illegal immigration as a crime. They knew that if adults were charged with a crime their children would be taken away from them. John Kelly talked about this back in April. Taking children away as a deterrent.
The whole time Trump, Nielsen and all the syncophants were telling us that "their hands were tied", that they were just "following the law" and "Only Congress can fix this." All the while, denying the obvious that Trump could stop it with a phone call because it was his policy.
Now, after all the outrage and 66% of American's thinking it's a really stupid idea, Trump CAVES and reverses his own policy. Yes, they will still be charged with a crime, but now they're children will not be separated from them. The same way Bush and Obama did it.
There you go.
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He's also got Ivanka's vote
Jun 20, 2018, 7:05 PM
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Even Ivanka agrees that he caved...
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Thank you @POTUS for taking critical action ending family separation at our border. Congress must now act + find a lasting solution that is consistent with our shared values;the same values that so many come here seeking as they endeavor to create a better life for their families"
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That is just factually incorrect....
Jun 20, 2018, 10:36 PM
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Separating kids from adults being held for a federal immigration crime is the law. There is no way you can say it wasn't.
I guarandamntee you that his EO will be challenged as unlawful because it goes against a collection of laws and court rulings. To not understand that at this point is willful ignorance.
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He implemented the policy because he thought the images
Jun 20, 2018, 4:21 PM
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would help him politically. It was pure Trump politics. Stephen Miller admitted it. His peeps loved it, except for women, religious leaders, and worried members of Congress up for re-election. Independents hated it.
They lied. It backfired. He caved.
Audio and video available.
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You are so consistently wrong on this issue it's...
Jun 20, 2018, 4:48 PM
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making my brain hurt.
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Often incorrect, but NEVER in doubt.***
Jun 20, 2018, 5:46 PM
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Well...all of it...
Jun 20, 2018, 10:39 PM
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The zero-tolerance policy (which means criminally charging anyone caught crossing the border illegally) was implemented to as a deterrent...meaning to serve to reduce illegal crossings.
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