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Letterman [295]
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Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 12:36 PM
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Out of curiosity, I went over to the ESPN Heisman Watch link to see where the contenders are stacking up according to the mostly incompetent talking heads.
Mind you, I put no stock in this award as "Best Football Player" is essentially "most popular offensive player that plays on one of the top teams", but one player stood out to me.
Kentucky's Benny Snell, who is the ONLY RB listed on their "watch".
However, the numbers show that Travis Etienne is the far better player.
Snell: 639 yards on 115 carries, (5.6 ypc) 8 TDs
Etienne: 594 yards on 73 carries, (8.1 ypc) 8 TDs
In short, Snell has 45 more yards with 42 more carries, while Etienne has scored the same amount of touchdowns and is rushing for almost 30% more yards per carry.
Just goes to show how worthless these polls and awards really are. However, I'd love to see Etienne get into the conversation just because he really is THAT good.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 12:39 PM
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Not even close between those 2. ETN is by far the better back!
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 12:40 PM
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I could look this up of course, but since you're somewhat passionate up about it maybe you'd be willing. How does the competition each has faced compared?
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Looks to be roughly equivalent
Oct 4, 2018, 12:53 PM
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We've both played two creampuffs, two decent teams, and a mediocre power-5 team.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:33 PM
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In terms of the P5 teams each have faced in terms of run defense:
Snell: Mississippi State - 31st
Florida - tied for 85th
South Carolina - tied for 85th
Etienne - A&M - 6th
GT - 56th
Syracuse - tied for 75th
So I'd actually say advantage Etienne there although the overall level of competition has been fairly close. I think a few things work in favor of Snell currently. Etienne wasn't heavily involved in our offense at least on a consistent basis last year, while Snell had over 1,300 yards last season. Then Snell has been putting up numbers this season in each game, while Etienne wasn't heavily used the first 2 games, and has started blowing up the past 2-3 games.
Also, Snell is pretty much looked at as the biggest reason why Kentucky is unbeaten so far while Etienne is viewed as part of a great overall team. If Etienne keeps up his pace of the last few weeks then he'll be on more of these types of lists very soon.
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Letterman [295]
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:38 PM
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Fair assessment
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 12:41 PM
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snell means hurry or quick in German I think. ETN represents hurry, quick in any language.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 12:46 PM
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Snell is from an SEC school which trumps any kind of numbers you throw out there. The pundits don't care about reality, only association.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:03 PM
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Being outspoken, brash and flashy "just means more" to E$PN and the talking heads. Think about this...Just how popular and how much more on the NFL radar and just how much more often Hunter Renfrow would be on ESPN if he were as flashy, and boastful as some other players are.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:20 PM
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I think Renfrow is pretty much a household name IMO. I think the attention he gets is about as much attention a guy whose career high in numbers for a season are 60 catches for 602 yards. As for the NFL, I think he'll get a shot there and probably do well, but a guy with his size with decent, but not elite speed, is never going to be a heavily talked about guy on NFL draft boards.
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Heisman is a joke
Oct 4, 2018, 1:09 PM
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It used to be a real award, but the powers that be chose to make it a perk for voters and the committee instead of safeguarding its historical reputation for excellence. John Heisman would take a flamethrower to the whole process if he knew what they have done in his name. The whole thing is a morality play in why leadership matters. It only takes a couple of puke weak poeple to destroy a hundred years of excellence overnight.
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Heisman had always been a joke
Oct 4, 2018, 1:21 PM
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Most national awards are jokes and have been. Going back to the early Heismans as well just like all the MNC's through the years. Jokes. But that's ok. Awards like these are the results of vites made by imperfect people with imperfect information.
In this imperfect person's opinion, I believe there are many individuals who deserved the Heisman but were on horrific or slightly known teams.
Its always been a popularity contest driven by regional voting. Going all the way back when Army and Notre Dame had a strangle hold on the awards.
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Just look where Bryce love is on that list
Oct 4, 2018, 2:26 PM
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It’s a popularity contest
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:38 PM
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snell means hurry or quick in German I think. ETN represents hurry, quick in any language.
I believe it is “schnell.” The meaning you describe is correct.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:20 PM
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Benny has a propeller while Travis has that million dollar smile. advantage ETN
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:22 PM
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It's good to have the numbers on your side but you can throw them out, turn on the tape, and see that ETN is better than Snell and Love and whoever else espn always mentions. He's the best running back in the country
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ahem. SEC.***
Oct 4, 2018, 1:23 PM
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eSECpn Heisman Watch...what don't you understand?***
Oct 4, 2018, 1:49 PM
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 1:50 PM
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I don't disagree at all with the comparison and conclusion - ETN is amazing.
But make no mistake - Benny Snell will be a starting NFL running back. He's a beast. I've watched a few of their games (buddy of mine is a huge Kentucky fan). He's fast, powerful, plays to contact...sound familiar? ETN in a blue jersey, but asked to do a lot more because of their lack of weapons.
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He's also incredibly mouthy***
Oct 4, 2018, 2:09 PM
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To be fair, Clemson has a lot better O-line than Kentucky
Oct 4, 2018, 2:25 PM
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But yes, ETN should be in the conversation along with Snell. David Montgomery of ISU should be in the conversation, too, but his O-line is a dumpster fire.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 3:30 PM
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i have a friend that lives in Louisiana and huge LSU fan and graduate. He told me last year that Travis was the one guy whom they absolutely hated losing. He thought he would be another on their long list of great running backs.
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 3:34 PM
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No question. #9 is far and away Better.
GO TIGERS!!!!!!
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Re: Travis Etienne vs. Kentucky's Benny Snell
Oct 4, 2018, 3:36 PM
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Kentucky plays at TAMU this week, so we can wait 2 more days and have a much better understanding of both players.
Personally, I admire BOTH of these amazing players. They will both play on Sundays IMO.
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Kentucky has faced much better run defenses***
Oct 4, 2018, 4:03 PM
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Re: Kentucky has faced much better run defenses***
Oct 4, 2018, 4:39 PM
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Not according to the stats. Sample sizes are small but by comparison our run Ds faces are stronger.
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CU Guru [1322]
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Triple option teams skew stats by shortening games.
Oct 5, 2018, 8:02 AM
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I meant from a talent perspective.
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