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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Put this together to take a quick snapshot of where this year stacks up during the Dabo years. Excluding the injury filled season last year, this is the 2nd worst passing attack we've had since 2010. The concerning thing from the defensive perspective is the 2022 passing defense is the 2nd highest of the Dabo era and only 13 yards/game better than Brent's first year here back in 2012. For those wondering, the 260.8 yards in total defense/game was #1 in the country in 2014.
We know this team has taken a step back over the last 3 seasons (including this one) and even with the concerning numbers at times with the defense, it's clearly the offense that has been the biggest reason for it. The passing attack has GOT to be better. Streeter is clearly not getting it done (quick question, WHAT is our offensive philosophy? The numbers this year say should be run first but considering the 29 pass attempts and 8 completions today, that should mean the 37 rush attemps should have been 50+).
If this team is going to stop the skid offensively, Dabo is going to need to do what he did within the first hour on the job in 2008 when he fired Rob Spence and that is fire Brandon Streeter.
References
https://data.clemsontigers.com/pdf/football/2022-23/ClemsonFBStats.pdf
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/clemson/
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Orange Blooded [3571]
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Y’all remember when Dabo would always spout off stats
Nov 26, 2022, 10:09 PM
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anytime he could? When was last time we heard that?
For a guy that loves to remind everyone of how awesome Clemson is using stats, I hope he can self reflect on last 2 seasons.
My gut says no changes will be made as that would be an admission of failure on his part.
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: Y’all remember when Dabo would always spout off stats
Nov 26, 2022, 10:12 PM
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the only way we will see a true change is if this team goes 10-4 sadly. Dabo is awful with timeout management in the first half of games and also doesn't make changes until we get beat & embarrassed.
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Coaching can't fix our root cause issue.
Nov 26, 2022, 11:49 PM
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We've gotten all the water out of that stone we can, and actually have a done a great job getting to 10 wins.
We have everything we need to be successful on an "elite" level, but the most important position on the field. Until that is corrected, there's nothing else that can be done except to win in the ways we have to the tune of 20+ wins in two years. Actually only an incredible coaching job and adjusting has given us that.
Maybe you'd be better off pulling for someone else?
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Add the starting QBs to table. Wonder how much autonomy different OCs had?***
Nov 26, 2022, 10:13 PM
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: Add the starting QBs to table. Wonder how much autonomy different OCs had?***
Nov 26, 2022, 10:20 PM
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should be pretty obvious if you've followed the program a while but:
2009-2010 - Kyle Parker
2011-2013 - Tajh Boyd
2014 - Deshaun and Cole
2015-2016 Deshaun
2017 - Kelly Bryant
2018 - Trevor and Kelly
2019-2020 - Trevor
2021 to present - DJ
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Freshman [-79]
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Yup. Again, the elephant in the room is plain as day.
Nov 26, 2022, 11:31 PM
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People are looking for scapegoats on the staff, but they've polished that turd way more than most anyone could have.
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 10:16 PM
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I have gone from shocked, to sick, to mad. I am part of the group that will be in the stadium no matter what. I am not happy with our coaches right now. Our players are awesome and deserve better than what they got today. Die hard fans like myself, that pay the bills and show up all the time deserve better too. This is different than the Hatfield and West years. We knew that we were bad then. We are not supposed to be bad now. If this is how the team is trending, cut salaries and go back to bad football. To rub salt in the wound, the Neff begging for NIL money was played during this mess of a game today. Don’t ask for funding for a Cadillac and show up with a used Volkswagen.
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Freshman [-79]
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Take care. Good luck with your next team.***
Nov 26, 2022, 11:35 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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We were #4 three seasons ago.
Nov 26, 2022, 10:18 PM
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What's wrong with you bandwagon fans? Win a national championship every year or it's a failure? And last year, how many times EVER have we finished 14th or higher? The only regression we've had is when Trevor Lawrence went pro, and his replacement wasn't him.
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Re: We were #4 three seasons ago.
Nov 26, 2022, 10:22 PM
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lol you are an idiot. This isn't complaining, this is showing how it is true that this team has taken a step back and WHERE it has. There is more than just Trevor leaving that has resulted in this regression.
Go pound sand.
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Freshman [-79]
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What are you talking about?
Nov 26, 2022, 11:45 PM
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I'm sorry your emotional little rant amounts to nothing but gibberish, but maybe with your next reply you could to dispute what I said.
Again, there's not a coaching issue on the offense. When you go 27.6% in the state championship and lose by 1 point, the coaches did all they can do. The regression started when the new QB took over, period. And no, Wes Goodwin has not yet matched Brent Venables, but Wes Goodwin is not the reason we lost today.
A QB who struggles to execute anything beyond 8 yards both last year and this year, is the sole reason we've taken an offensive step backwards. You're expecting Trevor Lawrence from Joe Mediocre, and that's not the way real life works. You haven't shown anything other than DJ is a problem. Fix that problem and both sides of the ball benefit.
There are no great teams without a good QB. Your "analysis" is utter bunk.
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Every year is different and you can't compare. Can you compare Tiger with Jack?
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 10:24 PM
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Considering this is all during Dabo's tenure as the head coach (not including 08 obviously), yes you can compare. Are the offenses all the same style? Heck no, obviously. The point of including 09 and 2010 is to show that this year's passing attack is almost as bad as the 2010 passing attack which ran an old pro style I-formation offense. The modern spread game SHOULD be result in more yardage as we've seen.
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Freshman [-79]
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So clueless and comically emotional.***
Nov 26, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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We're not firing Streeter. That's ridiculous.
Nov 26, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Playcalling is not the issue at all. The very fact we've milked 10 wins out of this QB is a testament to adjusting and finding a way. A new OC cannot correct the issue we've seen this year and last.
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: We're not firing Streeter. That's ridiculous.
Nov 26, 2022, 10:26 PM
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Uh yea it starts with the OC calling 29 pass plays today when we only ran it 37 times. we averaged 6.4 yards a carry today. With the passing game struggling yet again, we should have ran the ball 50+ times today. The offense's responsibility falls on the OC. His passing attack is garbage, and during the Dabo years, it's the worst of the 2011 on spread era and is within 20 yards of the pro I-formation days of 2010 and 09.....
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Freshman [-79]
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Lol. So we focused on the run most of the day?
Nov 26, 2022, 11:53 PM
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Eureka! Now you're getting there.
You're like that guy earlier today who was straight up b!tching about running so much, then after a drive with nothing but runs got stopped he posted, "PATHETIC!".
The passing scheme is not the issue, at all. The execution is.
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 11:11 PM
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Here's the rub. This isn't being upset that we lost a game. This isn't a new problem. ND crapped the bed tonight. They really don't have much offense. Now a dummy ole lady like me that loves college football said b4 ND game, they had the personnel to stop the run and set the edges. So game planning needed to be quick slants, te over the middle and seam routes. Our oline held its own. So what'd we do, run up the middle and threw wr screens - right into the strength of ND strength. When we got behind and needed tempo and chunk plays, we actually scored. Given some of that was due to ND playing soft. I still think we'd had it earlier.
Scar game, just the opposite, they haven't been good at the run, nor have they set the edge very well. Maybe wr screens would have worked better today, idk. But I do know there suspect at stopping the qb run and a scrambling qb. As stated above, run it until they stop it. And they weren't stopping the jump cut run to the outside. Why pass 3rd and 3 to a receiver that can't jump? If I can see all this just watching games on TV, why can't an offensive coordinator see it. I said multiple times last week, we should run 22 personnel until they proved they couldn't stop it. Mizzou did and kept rattler on the bench.
Our D scheme regressed to wake game plan when our front 4 could stop the run. Why???
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 11:16 PM
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Meant to add, a quick mobile qb that could scramble to the edge would have given scar fits.. hello cade??? Anyway, why. I'm truly baffled and then for Streeter to say w h st he did in the press. SMH.
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Orange Blooded [2594]
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Re: Total Offense and Defense since 2009
Nov 26, 2022, 11:59 PM
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Meant to add, a quick mobile qb that could scramble to the edge would have given scar fits.. hello cade??? Anyway, why. I'm truly baffled and then for Streeter to say w h st he did in the press. SMH.
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Freshman [-79]
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I'm sorry to break your dream, but neither OC or DC is going anywhere.
Nov 26, 2022, 11:34 PM
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We need to fix the most important position on the field, period, and we've squeezed water out of the stone as much as can humanly be expected. Changing the playcaller will NOT fix the root cause, and in fact may exasperate the issue.
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