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Rock Defender [53]
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Question about an observation. I noticed today the story
Jun 18, 2012, 9:22 PM
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about the OL commitment from the kid going to football camp. I went to football camp in '78 when I was 12. Me and several of my friends went. We stayed in Johnstone and it was a blast. We were given a t-shirt and a baseball cap. We used the brim of the cap to get autographs. I still have mine and it is covered in autographs, including Pell, Ford, Butler, and Fuller.
Our hats & t-shirt simply said "Clemson Football Camp 1978". I noticed today the picture in the article showed the kid in a t-shirt that said "Dabo Swinney's Clemson Football Camp".
I'm curious as to when that started. Back in the 80s during summer school I saw kids on campus wearing "Clemson Football Camp" t-shirts. Did Tommy West or TB have t-shirts that said simply "Clemson Football Camp" or did they have their names on them as well?
Do the baseball & basketball camps have the coach's name on the t-shirts?
I am not knocking Dabo, I'm simply curious as to (1) when the camp's started being associated with the coach versus just the the school and having the coach's name on the t-shirts. And (2) do the baseball & basketball camps have the coach's name on the shirts as well?
I know the coaches make money from these camps, always have, but Pell nor Ford had their names on the shirts and hats.
What other camps do we have? I think Chuck Kriese had a tennis camp. Do we now have soccer or tennis camps?
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It's part of a coaches compensation package now
Jun 18, 2012, 9:25 PM
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one of the ways we can pay them millions of dollars
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Rock Defender [53]
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It always has been, I even wrote that in the OP, but under
Jun 18, 2012, 9:28 PM
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Pell & Ford it was simply "Clemson Football Camp". I was wondering when they started adding the coach's names to the shirts and hats.
The Citadel use to have "Cal Port's Citadel Baseball Camp".
Oops!
Chal Port not Cal.
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Legend [19567]
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More and more, kids play for coaches, not a school
Jun 18, 2012, 9:38 PM
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recruiting is relationships and opportunity. In the end most kids want a coach that cares for them and will help them get a shot at the pros. The school is secondary except for those that do value education or grew up a fan of the school
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Rock Defender [53]
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Kids say those things b/c they sound good. The reality is
Jun 18, 2012, 9:46 PM
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the top programs have always recruited the best and always will. The top programs consistently have the best recruiting classes. Kids base their decisions mainly on winning, exposure, playing time, and a proven track record for putting players in the pros. The top schools always recruit well regardless of who the coaches are. Some kids may base their choice on relationships, family atmosphere, etc., and most will make those comments, but the proof is in the pudding, or in this case, the correlation between the polls and recruiting rankings.
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And no better recruiter in the country than Dabo, proof is
Jun 18, 2012, 9:48 PM
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In the pudding
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Rock Defender [53]
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Well he consistently brings in consensus top 15 classes but
Jun 18, 2012, 9:54 PM
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TB was doing that as well once the facilities were in place. Dabo is a great recruiter, I have never said otherwise and have repeatedly given him credit for that. Unfortunately he can't coach. If he could we wouldn't repeatedly lose to teams with far less talent or frequently get blown out by teams with equal or less talent.
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Check the rankings between Dabo and TB o and Dabo
Jun 18, 2012, 9:57 PM
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Was the one who landed Spiller
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Coaches who can't coach don't get to 2 Conference titles
Jun 18, 2012, 10:00 PM
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In 3 years. Only in your world
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Rock Defender [53]
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You do realize we play in a pathetic conference and an even
Jun 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
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more pathetic division. And funny how if Dabo was so great in 09 and 11 we had a losing season in 10.
Why do less talented team keep blowing us out?
How did VT dominate the ACC for years despite rarely out recruiting Clemson, Miami, or FSU?
Why does GT own us despite far less talent?
I'm not arguing with you anymore. You're like Stanley & Matty. You cherry pick 1 or 2 numbers that were heavily based on poor competition and or luck but don't solve ongoing issues nor overcome far more numerous negatives.
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110%er [8008]
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Andf you realize Clemson beat 4 top 25 teams for
Jun 18, 2012, 10:09 PM
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the first time ever on one season?
Talk about cherry picking....
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Rock Defender [53]
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Not final rankings and VT & FSU barely finished in the top
Jun 18, 2012, 10:18 PM
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25 like us. Auburn finished outside the top 25. TB & Dabo suck vs. OOC top 25 teams.
Everyone knows the polls are incredibly flawed. There shouldn't even be polls till at least mid season. Everyone knows and admits this, but the polls make news and give people something to talk about.
We win vs. sucky ACC teams, we get stomped by teams with similar or equal talent. We lost 4 games last year by 14+ points, 3 of them by 21+ points and the GT game was not nearly as close as the final 14 point margin might suggest.
None of those teams had better talent than we did.
We are poorly coached. We are NOT a very good team right now!
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Rock Defender [53]
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Yea but we beat (4) top 25 teams. How many other teams did
Jun 18, 2012, 10:57 PM
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that?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Actually it was 3 teams b/c we neat VT 2x. And again, it's
Jun 18, 2012, 11:01 PM
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pretty meaningless where a team is ranked early in the season. Clearly Auburn was not a top 25 team despite being ranked when we beat them.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Yea beating VT twice is *meaningless*.
Jun 18, 2012, 11:11 PM
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FSU was no easy pickins for anyone and Auburn was still a good team and beat yer #####.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Becaue we have a lot of talent and the ACC sux!! And who
Jun 18, 2012, 11:02 PM
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hired those coaches? Dabo!!
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Rock Defender [53]
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Are you saying Morris was a bad hire? Didn't he smash a
Jun 18, 2012, 11:16 PM
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bunch of records in his very first season with a first year QB, young WRs, and slim backfield depth? Steele had some success but more recently has been pretty much exposed. In SPITE of that we still succeeded at a level unseen for a very long time. Overall are you saying we didn't do more last season than we did in two plus decades?
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Well we hadn't won the conference in over 20 years.
Jun 18, 2012, 11:35 PM
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Most people considered Tommy Bowden a good but not great coach b/c he couldn't win the ACC. You'd think if a conference was so bad even a mediocre coach could win it at least once.
Most just don't agree with your sentiments that the ACC sucks. I certainly don't think anyone has delusions it's great like the SEC or anything like that, but it's not that bad.
I personally have thought the ACC has been a better conference overall than the Pac 12 or Big East the past few years. I do think the Pac 12 had the better champions though, just the conference as a whole was pretty crappy.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Was the original post just for the sake of you getting to
Jun 19, 2012, 12:38 AM
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the bashing of Dabo. You are in the vast MINORITY and no one really cares what you think of Dabo so the answer to your original question about the camp name, WHO CARES.
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Rock Defender [53]
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TB was the HC and TB was putting together his best class
Jun 18, 2012, 10:01 PM
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ever in 2008 which pumpers just swore Dabo would salvage and make even better. What happened? Oh yea, that class finished ranked in the 30s and 40s. Ooops! Guess it wasn't Dabo, but TB. The pumpers were wrong.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I've head that story even read about it once. Howard was
Jun 18, 2012, 10:47 PM
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known to mention it on occasion in interviews.
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Legend [19567]
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the best programs have coaches who build relationships
Jun 18, 2012, 10:05 PM
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and get kids to the NFL. I didn't see top 5 recruiting classes at Bama when Shula was the coach. USC wasn't landing them before Pete Carroll. Kids play for coaches
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Rock Defender [53]
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Maybe not top 5 but they were still top 20 or 25, The top
Jun 18, 2012, 10:09 PM
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programs recruit well even when they aren't winning. Miami and FSU still had the best recruiting classes in the ACC even when they had tons of coaching turnover and weren't winning like they use to.
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sigh
Jun 18, 2012, 10:21 PM
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I get it. You are right. Coaches don't matter. Except at Clemson where our coach is unacceptable. What the players, recruiting experts and analysts say doesn't matter. It's all about the name on the uniform. Thankfully, even though you are the first person I've used this with, I hit the ignore button with you. You are incapable of carrying on a conversation where anyone's opinion, in spite of all the evidence, matters but your own. Good luck to you, and goodbye
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Rock Defender [53]
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Lets look at it another way. If Bama didn't have talent
Jun 18, 2012, 10:36 PM
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already there how did Saban win a NC in year 3 or Miami win 4 NC's with 4 different coaches over 20 years but in between have coaches that weren't successful?
FACTS are coaching is critical, it's more important than talent, but talent is important too, esp for long term consistent success, and the best talent will consistently go to the top programs regardless of the coaching staff.
Everyone knows Lane Kiffin is a scum bag, but look at his recruiting class at Tenn. Some of these guys are great salesmen, but Dabo nor Kiffen could gets these kids if they coached at Duke or Wake or Vandy or Kentucky. The reputation of the program, the name recognition, the winning tradition matters. And schools like Bama, Miami, FSU, etc. will get good recruiting classes regardless of the coaching staff.
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Re: Lets look at it another way. If Bama didn't have talent
Jun 18, 2012, 10:37 PM
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groundhog day
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2 things:
Jun 18, 2012, 9:25 PM
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1. You're Blue Cootie
2. You cannot expect us to believe you were ever athletic
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Rock Defender [53]
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Had it not been for my accident I would have played FB and
Jun 18, 2012, 9:30 PM
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ran track at Clemson. I ran the Cooper River Bridge race starting the 2nd year they had it. My two best friends growing up and in high school played football at Clemson for Ford.
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Re: Had it not been for my accident I would have played FB and
Jun 18, 2012, 9:32 PM
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Yeah and if not for my knee I'd been starting Qb for the giants instead of Manning
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Re: Question about an observation. I noticed today the story
Jun 18, 2012, 9:25 PM
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I know during bowdens years it was also called the tommy bowden football camp...cant answer why
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wow troll you'd have a problem with Dabo if
Jun 18, 2012, 9:26 PM
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He wore underwear you didn't like. You are pathetic
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Rock Defender [53]
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Not at all, that's why I specifically said I'm not knocking
Jun 18, 2012, 9:34 PM
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Dabo, but I know how it was in the past and I was curious when it changed and how the other camps did it. I have no problem with it. It's marketed under the coach's name and they get compensation under their contract for it. I was just curious as to when the hats and ##### changed because under Pell & Ford it only said "Clemson Football Camp".
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Re: Not at all, that's why I specifically said I'm not knocking
Jun 18, 2012, 9:37 PM
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Yeah ok, cause you never knock Dabo but every post you make
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Rock Defender [53]
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I love how some of you hate someone simply for expressing
Jun 18, 2012, 9:41 PM
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a different opinion. Classy. And you folks call ME angry and bitter. lol whatever.
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Some? its not your opinion, its the broken record and
Jun 18, 2012, 9:44 PM
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Never positive comments. You're ALWAYS negative and also we're bitter toward you not Clemson
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Rock Defender [53]
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Whatever. Facts & truth are not negative. I love Clemson I
Jun 18, 2012, 9:48 PM
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could care less who our coaches are as long as they act professionally, win, and keep us off probation.
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so you COULD careless? lol***
Jun 18, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Lets put it this way, an asian female atheist could be our
Jun 18, 2012, 9:58 PM
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HC and it wouldn't bother me one bit if she acted professionally, won big like we should, and kept us and our players out of trouble. I have nothing against Dabo personally. I don't invest myself emotionally in coaches or players or administrators. My diploma is from Clemson. My loyalty is to Clemson.
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So you COULD careless meaning you care
Jun 18, 2012, 10:03 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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I don't give a rats ### who our HC is as long as they win
Jun 18, 2012, 10:22 PM
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and keep us off probation. That clear it up for you?
Winning a pansy ACC while getting blown out 4x and constantly losing to less talented but better coaches teams ain't winning by my standards or anyone with common sense.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Only 16 teams had more wins than us. And we had a 3rd year
Jun 18, 2012, 11:29 PM
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head coach, a brand new offensive system, a first year starter at QB (in the brand new system), and a suspect defense.
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Wow Blue Caddy you really got your *###* kicked in this
Jun 19, 2012, 10:54 AM
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thread. Please bookmark it, so you don't try the same bogus vitriol ever again. You seem to have a real problem with denial of the facts I presented, and subsequently you try the same overused, incessant garbage over and over again. Even long after it's been shot down.
The jig is up. Just stop with your transparent nonsense. Okay, *Ned*?
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Tommy's said "Tommy Bowden Football Camp"
Jun 18, 2012, 9:26 PM
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most of them had not a mention of Clemson.
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I thought his was called
Jun 18, 2012, 9:37 PM
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the "Tommy Bowden can't get over the hump Football Camp"
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Thanks for the tidbit on why you hate Clemson...
Jun 18, 2012, 9:29 PM
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you didn't get an offer to play football here. DOOD, you were 12 years old, get over it already.
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Re: It always has been, I even wrote that in the OP, but under
Jun 18, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Furmans said " Bobby Lamb" o line camp
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Re: Question about an observation. I noticed today the story
Jun 18, 2012, 10:13 PM
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it's all about the Dabo...get on board coot!
you need to get some Dabotude and man up sissy boy
...or go root for another program
jokes
i think it fairly common for the camp to be "coach X's camp"
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Re: Question about an observation. I noticed today the story
Jun 18, 2012, 10:17 PM
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I'm a 1975 Tates Locke basketball camp alumni
They did it way back then
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Maybe they did in basketball but not football. The hats &
Jun 18, 2012, 10:24 PM
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shirts simply said "Clemson Football Camp".
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football too and baseball...
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Rock Defender [53]
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I'm not saying they didn't call it "Coach XYZ Camp". When
Jun 18, 2012, 10:46 PM
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Ford was coach the paperwork and name of the camp was "Danny Ford's Clemson Football Camp" but the shirts and hats simply said "Clemson Football Camp".
I still have my hat and tshirt from Pell's camp in '78. They both had written on them "Clemson Football Camp". Not "Charlie Pell's Clemson Football Camp".
My question was not about the official name of the camps, but when the hats/shirts started having the coach's name on them.
The camps have always been affiliated with the coaches and their name in the title of the camp. I was just curious about when hats and shirts started including the coach and not just Clemson.
It's really not a big deal, it was simple curiosity, but I should have known people would make it something more. I even wrote in the OP this is not a Dabo thing, but a curiosity based question.
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i went to pell's and wilhelm's camp's, all my stuff said
Jun 18, 2012, 10:47 PM
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coach's names, but it's possible it was much cheaper to print off a bunch of 'clemson football camp' greys.
you could use those year to year.
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I went in 78 and the hats and shirt simply said "Clemson
Jun 18, 2012, 10:58 PM
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Football Camp". My hat is framed. As is a white practice jersey I have from the summer of '81 with most of the team and coaches' signatures. My friend Mary Barnes was a cheerleader and after my accident she got coach Ford to have everyone sign a practice jersey for me. I wore it at the Orange Bowl in '82. We asked them not to tear one of the tickets and they didn't. We then framed the jersey and the ticket together. My mom has all that stuff. I'll get it next time I go up to my parents house and take pictures to post on here. I was just there yesterday, wish I had thought about this sooner.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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not doubting you, i never attended one camp that was not
Jun 18, 2012, 11:06 PM
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branded the coach's name, on any apparel, banner, ticket, invitation, tshirt or other.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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Better question. Have you given Dabo credit for RN?
Jun 18, 2012, 10:25 PM
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Don't think I've seen you give Dabo credit for brining in the top overall recruit and another stud at the DE position.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I've given him credit for recruiting but TB got that
Jun 18, 2012, 11:11 PM
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got started under TB. The kid hasn't signed yet. No counting chickens before they hatch. Also, we signed Bowers, but he only had 1 really good season out of 3.
Recruiting is great, but it's only 1 piece of the puzzle. The next step is developing these kids and motivating and inspiring them to play well. Finally there has to be good game plans and coaching.
Dabo has proven he can recruit, but big time winning takes the other pieces of the puzzle which Dabo has yet to produce.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Are you saying we didn't improve by leaps and bounds from
Jun 18, 2012, 11:24 PM
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2010 to 2011?
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110%er [8015]
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All-TigerNet [14451]
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Re: Question about an observation. I noticed today the story
Jun 18, 2012, 11:04 PM
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groundhog day
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All-In [32587]
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No kidding - over and over and over . . . I thought he told
Jun 18, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Crump he was going to give it a rest ?
At least there should be a good Sonny and Cher tune playing in the background every time he posts. Might make it more bearable.
Nooooo . . . it wouldn't. Nevermind.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Somethin ain't right with that dude.***
Jun 18, 2012, 11:30 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Cocaine is a helluva drug - - - - *raconteur*
Jun 18, 2012, 11:22 PM
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raconteur: 0ne who tells stories.
This thread is chock full of 'em.
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