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Dec 22, 2021, 11:59 AM

With only 1 ACC team ranked in top 25 in basketball and 5 SEC teams it has me thinking that one potential cause (sure there are several others) of some of the rise in the SEC and drop in ACC basketball power is the filtering down of the massive revenue difference in the conference TV contracts. SEC schools are investing in basketball more and more.

With about a 20 million dollar annual revenue gap from TV alone (and growing), I have always believed at somewhere like Clemson the first affects of this would be in sports other than football. Clemson will have to spend SEC money to compete in football and there is only so much money to go around the whole athletic department. Is this why Brownell has been retained, what can we really pay? (We are in 40s in revenue)

I think it is kind of ironic that all of those ACC schools that were so proud to be in a basketball first conference are getting hit by a failure to invest in football. I know other factors such as school, alumni numbers play a part too but there could have been more investment by these schools. Maybe now that it is hurting their beloved basketball they will just maybe invest more in football.

The NIL issue is huge but the issue that still looms is the TV contract the ACC is stuck in until 2036. without someway to re-open to contract (Notre Dame of some other addition) we will only get further and further behind. I mean some analysis show as much as a 40 million dollar annual gap after Texas and OU join SEC. This is unsustainable for ACC, there is now way around that.

I can only hope the new Commissioner will use any leverage he has with ESPN wanting to expand the playoff and avoid having to go through bidding process to see if something can be done about ACC TV contract. You want to expand the playoff and not have to open it to bids from rival networks, lets talk about our TV contract first.

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Dec 22, 2021, 12:09 PM

How did that work out for soccer? Oh, let's see a National Championship. Money is not a factor is basketball, talent is.

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Dec 22, 2021, 12:15 PM

Money is a factor in all sports. The ACC has always dominated soccer, a lot of SEC teams could care less. We tried to cut track and cross country ( to save costs supposedly) and it blew up in our face with a Title 9 investigation, then having to re-instate the programs and add women's sports.

As much as talent the SEC has improved coaching hires in basketball. I think many of us will agree Rick Barnes was best overall basketball coach we had at Clemson and now Tennessee has him. SEC is spending on basketball.

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Dec 22, 2021, 1:41 PM

The Men's Track team claimed it was a Title IX issue but that was not really the case - at least for the mens track team. For other womens teams, there were some title ix issues. It was a bad PR move and that had more sway. Title IX resulted in the addition of more womens teams/resources. However, and lets be clear - they were willing to drag football into the fray. They broke rule #1 of the basketball team.


As for basketball, no worried here. A few years ago the SEC was BAD. They had to do a LOT of coaching shuiffles. Now you are seeing the result (Nate Oats at Bama). If not for Covid hitting the pause button, I think you would have had a lot more coaching moves in 2020 for the ACC. It got delayed. Now you are seeing the bottom and there will be coaching moves in the spring. In addition, you have a few coaches like Forbes at WF finally being able to put things together.

A lot of folks like to point to previous decades for ACC success thinking it was always 7-8 ranked teams and Clemson fighting it out. Really, you did have a few years when ONLY Duke or similar was decent and everyone else stunk. Other years you had teams like Virginia being 6 games below .500 in conference buty still ranked. Those happen.

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Dec 22, 2021, 1:59 PM

I think we should only have Football, Baseball, Softball, Soccer, tennis, Basketball, and Rowing as a natural fit to us. Any other sport we should drop if we can keep the balance we need for Title VIIII. In my opinion revenue is going to become harder for all college sports as interest in going to wane and the money is not going to be there. For a school like Clemson that is revenue challenged now it is going to become more difficult in the future. We need to concentrate our funds on sports that people will buy a ticket to see.

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Re: tobacco road


Dec 22, 2021, 1:40 PM

Great thoughts and information. It is surprising the difference one head coach can make in any sport. Look at Dawn Staley. Look at the difference Danny Ford and Dabo Swinney have made after wandering around the wilderness with other coaches. Oliver Prennell and Rick Barnes sold out Littlejohn and won a lot of games. Great coaches will take your players or theirs and win.

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Dec 22, 2021, 1:48 PM

Mike Noonan is one of those guys. You think we win that Natty just because we Clemson. We won because of the greatness of Noonan and his ability to assemble the team and coach and motivate the team. I have had coaches I would run thru a brick wall for and some I did not want to even show up for practice for. Very few coaches are great and have the it factor. Those are the big winners. Coach K Dawn Staley Mike Noonan Dabo Swinney are great ones. We would win at every sport with these type guys and gals.

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