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TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 25, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 25, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Brad, "If you put as much money in basketball as you do in football surely we will win a natty." "That has everything to do with football's success. Come on, I'm just as good as Dabo." ??
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 26, 2022, 9:49 AM
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I stand by my position on the last game against VA Tech, any decent Church BB Coach would have won that game!
No amount of $ is going to make mr brownell a Good Coach. He simply Does Not have Championships in his tool box!
He has the Tommy Bowden skill sets
And if he truly said he's as good as Dabo then
Add Dilusional to his resume
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Brad should be brushing up on the Clemson real estate market***
May 25, 2022, 7:48 PM
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I hope everyone watches this interview.
May 25, 2022, 8:36 PM
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Brad touches on many of the things we’ve been talking about here for years, especially the need to spend more money on the program.
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I thought it was a very fair interview and his answers were good
May 25, 2022, 9:13 PM
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I just hope it translates into more wins down the road.
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What is the difference between very fair and fair?***
May 25, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Same as difference between very good and good.***
May 25, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Re: I hope everyone watches this interview.
May 25, 2022, 9:37 PM
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Their not gonna watch as they are afraid it won’t support their preferred narrative
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Re: I hope everyone watches this interview.
May 26, 2022, 8:21 AM
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They're** FIFY
Maybe you should spend more time on grammar and less time worrying about someone using girl and/or lady.
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Re: I hope everyone watches this interview.
May 26, 2022, 1:21 PM
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I find successful leaders provide…
May 26, 2022, 9:17 AM
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reasons why they can, not reasons why they can’t.
I like CBB, but when you hear a coach talking like this it usually means it’s the end of the line. I hope he can get it turned around.
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Re: I find successful leaders provide…
May 26, 2022, 10:47 AM
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Re: Bingo.
May 26, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Yeah he’s a multimillionaire but whines about how “unfair” things are. I think it’s unfair that a guy can be so mediocre in his profession and still make millions of dollars.
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Re: Bingo.
May 26, 2022, 3:10 PM
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As long as defeatist 'fans' continue to offer that excuse for him to cover up his inability to recruit, develop, and outcoach his peers, you can bet Brown L is going to use it to defend himself at every available opportunity. He has the worst record of any Clemson basketball coach not named Shyatt since the 1980's, while banking more of our dollars than all of them combined. What a waste.
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It sure was nice not having to hear him whine and complain
May 26, 2022, 11:45 AM
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about NIL and the transfer portal.
Other coaches have, to the point of ranting. Such complaining and excuse making is always so unproductive, and perhaps even harmful for their programs and universities.
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Which coaches have you heard give NIL as an…
May 26, 2022, 12:19 PM
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excuse for why they haven’t been competitive? The complaint I’ve heard about NIL is that it’s bad for the sport because it’s not being used as intended.
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You're missing the point as usual.
May 27, 2022, 1:10 PM
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Brad used his time to talk about NIL being good for the players, not going on a rant about how awful NIL is. That's great to hear, because I've heard other coaches use interview time as a time to complain about NIL.
Whether coaches are talking about NIL being bad for the sport, bad for athletes, or bad for their team, it isn't productive and might backfire. I'm glad Brad is being positive about it.
Brad didn't make any excuses about NIL, but simply spoke about how it is requiring some adjustment. Nothing wrong with that.
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I'm pretty sure the point you made was...
May 27, 2022, 1:29 PM
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more money is needed,"...especially the need to spend more money on the program.", something that has been discussed on this board, by you, for some time. You have used this as a reason why we aren't competitive, a sentiment seemingly echoed by CBB in the interview. I pointed out a common trait in leaders is the "can vs can't" mentality, which somehow got you off the point, and talking about mystery coaches whining about NIL and some other stuff not related to your original point of more money being needed for the program. I don't know, kinda seems like you took a weird turn about two posts back, unless the point you were trying to make with "...especially the need to spend more money on the program." is that CBB is positive about NIL and that's good.
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LOL.
May 27, 2022, 1:38 PM
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My first post in this thread encouraged people to watch the interview. You are correct, my point was that Brad spoke about the importance of increasing program funding if we want to see more success. As Brad mentioned, subpar funding has hurt our program in the past.
Then, out of nowhere, you responded with:
I find successful leaders provide reasons why they can, not reasons why they can’t.
I like CBB, but when you hear a coach talking like this it usually means it’s the end of the line. I hope he can get it turned around.
Rather than following up on my comment about program expenditures and sharing your thoughts about that, you instead took things in a different direction by sharing a platitude that had nothing to do with my post. You insinuated that Brad was complaining and being negative.
So I responded to your post by pointing out that Brad wasn't complaining or making excuses. He stated a fact, which is that we invested more in football at Clemson and that resulted in the success we had. He also spoke positively about NIL and the portal. In other words, he didn't focus on the negatives at all.
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I used to think you were smart.***
May 27, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Re: I used to think you were smart.***
May 27, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Ah yes, a vague backhanded remark intended for a successful
May 26, 2022, 12:47 PM
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coach and program. One who believes in the players in his locker room to the point of not utilizing the transfer portal fully, to the dismay of some on here.
The other coach in question has to use the transfer portal yearly because he clearly doesn't think he can win with the talent he's brought in during actual recruiting cycles.
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Nothing vague about it - he's a full blown doooosh canoe.***
May 31, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 25, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Sorry, I'm sick and tired of hearing about more money for this and that. Instead of doing dog and ponys, get out and recruit. Sad to say, our feathered little bro in cootlumbia pulled the trigger and got a coach. Putting together quite a team of transfers.
Wouldn't hurt me to cancel the bball program and dispense the funds to other programs that don't continually play the poor little me card.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 25, 2022, 9:36 PM
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Sorry, I'm sick and tired of hearing about more money for this and that. Instead of doing dog and ponys, get out and recruit. Sad to say, our feathered little bro in cootlumbia pulled the trigger and got a coach. Putting together quite a team of transfers.
Wouldn't hurt me to cancel the bball program and dispense the funds to other programs that don't continually play the poor little me card.
If money does not matter then we have wasted a few hundred million on football
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Hey Cobb. If you’re going to compare to football…
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May 26, 2022, 8:30 AM
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then you must acknowledge that Dabo sacrificed money from his own salary in the early years in order to hire and retain the assistants he wanted.
He invested in his program, and it has paid off big time for him…and for Clemson.
Win-win.
Sorry if you don’t like it.
And shame on BrownL for complaining about salaries while he’s been overpaid, fat and happy all these years.
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Re: Does 2 nattys seem like wasted money to you?***
May 26, 2022, 1:56 PM
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His point went way over your head.
If money or funding doesn't matter, then we would have gotten 2 national championships anyways without all that support. So we wasted that money on the facilities....
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How quickly you forget that Dabo only won 56% of his games from 2008-2010.
May 25, 2022, 9:51 PM
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That was despite being at a football school, with a good football history, with rabid fan support, and players like CJ Spiller and other excellent recruits.
It wasn’t until the administration ponied up more money for more facilities and better assistants that Dabo started winning more.
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The proof is in the pudding for Dabo.
May 25, 2022, 11:09 PM
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Yes, the administration ponied up the funds to give him what he wanted, but he produced beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. Plenty of schools have spent the money but got nothing close to what Dabo has accomplished. It takes more than money.
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I absolutely agree.
May 25, 2022, 11:14 PM
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But you don’t fully know what you have in a coach until you give him plenty of advantages, and then see what he can do with them.
Dabo is an outstanding coach, and even he was mediocre until he was given more resources at Clemson.
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Re: I absolutely agree.
May 25, 2022, 11:47 PM
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Sorry, wrong. Dabo built the foundation before the funds were spent. Dabo went out like other great coaches we have had and he got the Jimmy and Joes to commit to him. Had zero to do with spending money.
If money and facilities and fan support was it, then Rick Barnes never would have won here. Bill Wilhelm never would have won. The kids had to practice in the parking lots... Same with golf. They all had chicken feed for expensive assistant and facilities.
It's a convenient excuse that Brad's globbed onto and probably laughs at the admin for buying it.
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Dabo built the foundation with Jimmys and Joes huh?
May 26, 2022, 12:03 PM
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First of all, our 2008 recruiting class (Bowden’s last one) was a top 10 class.
Dabo’s first class in 2009 was ranked 36th by 247Sports. That’s to be expected since it was a smaller class and it was his first as a head coach. Getting Tajh Boyd was big.
In 2010, 247Sports ranked our class 27th.
By this point, Dabo was hardly setting the world on fire with recruits or with on the field performance.
You can’t just revise history to make it fit your incorrect narrative that Dabo was building this strong foundation of players those first few years when we won a mediocre 56% of our games.
Again, it wasn’t until Clemson’s administration got behind football more with increased coaches’ salaries and additional facility improvements that Dabo starting winning more.
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Re: Dabo built the foundation with Jimmys and Joes huh?
May 26, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Dabo won the division in his first year as head coach, you loser
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Dabo and Brad each started out with roughly the same
May 27, 2022, 10:14 AM
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salaries in year 1, and each saw relative success early, which led the AD to up the financial support in each, albeit incrementally. Dabo parlayed that additional support into the greatest run in Clemson athletics history and further ratcheting up the investment in the program. Brad, on the other hand, with a fat contract and long-term security in place early, petered out and showed promise and performance only during make or break seasons since, just enough to preserve that gravy train while the program overall has lost fans, lost energy, and squandered a decade of the Clemson brand's rise to national prominence.
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lol...
May 26, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Giving Tommy Bowden credit for Dabo and Billy Napier's recruiting classes? You should give Tommy credit for the dynamic offense he brought to Clemson which magically diapered when Rich Rod left for WV too.
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I wasn’t giving Bowden credit for anything.
May 26, 2022, 9:25 PM
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I just thought it was funny that it took about 10 seconds to disprove the notion that Dabo “stockpiled talent” his first few years.
Some people here just can’t be honest about the fact that Dabo was in over his head and flirting with losing his job, and it wasn’t until the administration wisely realized that he needed to be able to hire better coaches that he started winning more.
It’s nothing to be ashamed by. All successful coaches at this level need great staffs around them.
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He played in the ACC Championship game his first full season
May 26, 2022, 9:58 PM
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I don’t think I’d call that “in over his head”.
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Also, no one is saying that it’s impossible to be successful without a large budget.
May 26, 2022, 12:19 PM
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If we’re being honest though, those examples are rare. Besides, why hamstring our coaches at Clemson by expecting them to consistently do more with less? Shouldn’t we want to give them every opportunity to be successful?
With that said, Brownell routinely overachieves at Clemson based on our pathetic support for basketball. Thankfully, Neff recognizes this and is committed to funding our program at a level more commensurate with our desire to win more.
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He made the ACC Championship game in 2009...
May 26, 2022, 2:10 PM
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his first full season. I don't think that's "mediocre".
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From 2008-2010, Dabo was 19-15, a .559 winning percentage.
May 27, 2022, 1:25 PM
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That fits within the definition of mediocre.
Yes, 2009 was a solid season, but certainly not great by Clemson football standards. We lost 4 games in the regular season, and only won our division because it was a really down year for the ACC Atlantic. Clemson and Boston College were the only two teams with a winning conference record that year, and we were the only Atlantic division team to finish in the top 25. The strength of the ACC that year was in the Coastal, with three teams finishing the season ranked in the top 20.
We beat a ho-hum Kentucky team in the Music City Bowl to finish 9-5.
The next year, we followed that up with a losing record, our first in over a decade.
You are welcome to argue semantics if you want, but the point is that Dabo was not as successful as everyone had hoped those first few years. In fact, his 19-15 record was worse than Tommy Bowden's 20-12 record from 2006-2008. So at that point, we had regressed in terms of record and in recruiting.
What changed to allow Dabo to become more successful at Clemson? Money from the administration to allow him to hire better coaches, as well as for better facilities. This isn't complicated.
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Won title in 2011, pre venables
May 27, 2022, 8:05 PM
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Only after winning an acc championship did dabo make over $2 million in salary (2.2), and he used $265k to disburse to assistants. Brownell shouldn’t be talking this way to the media. Bad form
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Re: The proof is in the pudding for Dabo.
May 26, 2022, 8:09 AM
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Yes he has. Don't you think a similar investment is needed if we want to be a consistent winner? If we invest and it's not brownell theme let's get another coach. Maybe we can get a high profile guy if he knows he has the support he needs to win. And if we hire a guy that wins to our fans standard, maybe we can keep him for a couple years, unlike our previous successful coach in Barnes.
Our basketball fans are asking for consistent top 4 and 5 finishes in the ACC, and NCAA tournaments nearly every year. In order to do that we need more investment. I'm glad people knowledgeable about our program know that, and don't make knee jerk reactions like our idiot fans.
It must suck to feel so strongly about brownell being fired only to find out that the people closest to our program disagree.
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Re: The proof is in the pudding for Dabo.
May 26, 2022, 11:44 AM
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Yes he has. Don't you think a similar investment is needed if we want to be a consistent winner? If we invest and it's not brownell theme let's get another coach. Maybe we can get a high profile guy if he knows he has the support he needs to win. And if we hire a guy that wins to our fans standard, maybe we can keep him for a couple years, unlike our previous successful coach in Barnes.
Our basketball fans are asking for consistent top 4 and 5 finishes in the ACC, and NCAA tournaments nearly every year. In order to do that we need more investment. I'm glad people knowledgeable about our program know that, and don't make knee jerk reactions like our idiot fans.
It must suck to feel so strongly about brownell being fired only to find out that the people closest to our program disagree.
That's right. Brad had to recover from Shyatt and OP which were dumpster fires at Clemson...lol
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Re: The proof is in the pudding for Dabo.
May 26, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Yes he has. Don't you think a similar investment is needed if we want to be a consistent winner? If we invest and it's not brownell theme let's get another coach. Maybe we can get a high profile guy if he knows he has the support he needs to win. And if we hire a guy that wins to our fans standard, maybe we can keep him for a couple years, unlike our previous successful coach in Barnes.
Our basketball fans are asking for consistent top 4 and 5 finishes in the ACC, and NCAA tournaments nearly every year. In order to do that we need more investment. I'm glad people knowledgeable about our program know that, and don't make knee jerk reactions like our idiot fans.
It must suck to feel so strongly about brownell being fired only to find out that the people closest to our program disagree. That's right. Brad had to recover from Shyatt and OP which were dumpster fires at Clemson...lol
You're right. Our program was in such good standing, Purnell left for a better job offer at DEPAUL!!!
You see why it's important to have the support? So a coach that has the first sign of success (3 NCAA's losing in the first round) doesn't bolt for a powerhouse like DePaul.
Also not to mention the talent level left by OP in BB's year 2 was not ACC quality.
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Re: I wish Brad coulda won 56% of his games in YEAR 12 OF HIS TENURE.
May 26, 2022, 8:10 AM
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But we need to pay him more money before we can reach such lofty expectations.
I know. I know.
~JKB
Who wants to tell him? What a dumba$$.
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If playing “the poor little me card”
May 25, 2022, 11:47 PM
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bothers you, you must really think very little of Dabo. That’s his entire M.O. He’s all about the media is out to get him, everyone twists his words, “little ole Clemson”, whining about people attacking his character… And his severe persecution complex has rubbed off on a significant portion of this fan base. Sad to see.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 26, 2022, 8:04 AM
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Sorry, I'm sick and tired of hearing about more money for this and that. Instead of doing dog and ponys, get out and recruit. Sad to say, our feathered little bro in cootlumbia pulled the trigger and got a coach. Putting together quite a team of transfers.
Wouldn't hurt me to cancel the bball program and dispense the funds to other programs that don't continually play the poor little me card.
Lmao. Fans like you are the problem. What exactly do you mean he is doing dogs and pony's instead of recruiting. Sounds kinky.
Our program has been bad historically for a long time, and it's all brownell's fault. We don't need you as a "fan" peace out.
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Wow, when did Clemson hire a “fan czar”
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May 26, 2022, 8:25 AM
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who can tell people whether or not they are welcome to be a fan?
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Re: Wow, when did Clemson hire a “fan czar”
May 26, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Who said that? If you are going to troll, learn to read.
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You did.***
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May 26, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Re: Wow, when did Clemson hire a “fan czar”
May 26, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Uhh. I'm I told her whether or not she could be a fan? Again, learn to read.
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Re: Wow, when did Clemson hire a “fan czar”
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May 26, 2022, 11:58 AM
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We don't need you as a "fan" peace out.
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Re: Wow, when did Clemson hire a “fan czar”
May 26, 2022, 2:42 PM
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Yes, that's a lot different than me being the "basketball czar in deciding who can be fans or not"
Extremely dramatic take, but that's or for the course with you.
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Milquetoast brownell will never win anything bc...
May 25, 2022, 10:28 PM
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he cannot recruit, and he nor his teams have an identity. Nothing to do with athletic department spending.
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Re: Milquetoast brownell will never win anything bc...
May 25, 2022, 10:42 PM
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Re: Milquetoast brownell will never win anything bc...
May 25, 2022, 10:52 PM
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Judge, what are their chances for 6-5 Kerwin Walton from UNC?
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 25, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Some coaches just have that IT factor to where every time they speak, your ready to run through a brick wall!
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It’s great that Brownell inspires our players so much!
May 25, 2022, 11:17 PM
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You can always count on our basketball team to play their hearts out. That’s one of the things I appreciate most about Brownell’s teams.
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Yeah right- Chinese fire drill on fast forward
May 27, 2022, 10:06 AM
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They have absolutely no basketball instruction based on their on court production. The players are being set up to fail before they even get started.
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What an out-of-touch goober.
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May 26, 2022, 6:17 AM
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Sorry Brad- people really don’t want to hear that there wasn’t enough salary money to go around when you were getting $2.5 Million.
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Re: What an out-of-touch goober.
May 26, 2022, 6:45 AM
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People who can’t handle the truth have the option to keep scrolling with their heads buried in the sand
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Just like you could have scrolled past my comment, Cobb?
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May 26, 2022, 7:09 AM
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It’s a message board.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 26, 2022, 6:30 PM
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We shall see if throwing more money at the BB program and hiring this Billy Donovan translates into more success and getting to the NCAA Tournament.
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I believe it will, but if it doesn't, we will know that
May 27, 2022, 1:27 PM
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we did all we could to support the basketball program. We would also be in a much better position to hire a great coach to succeed Brownell.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 28, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Watch??? I attempted several times but no luck SMH
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Brad Brownell talks transfer portal, what's next for Clemson basketball
May 31, 2022, 10:43 AM
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Hmm .. didn’t read his article but I assume BB will not be entering the transfer portal. Oh well, maybe year after next.
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