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TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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I get it man.
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I love football, but it comes with a lot of risk for sure.
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Re: I get it man.
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Ah jeez. The plandemic made a dumb world dumber. You folks will give your kids Covid vax but won’t let ‘em play football. An untested and unnecessary kill shot caused this man to have a heart attack. My lord. There’s no hope anymore. The sheep will follow Fauci off a cliff. You people with the vaccine have been warned. Best of luck to ya and god speed.
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Do you really think anyone is buying that crap?
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Your view of conservatives is so clouded with hatred and BS that it makes your attempts at propagandic parody counterproductive. You should head back to the CHOP zone (or Portland or San Fran or wherever has the best dispensaries), get high and nod your head with the rest of those brain-dead, America-hating bozos.
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Re: I get it man.
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I'm so tired of the conspiracy theories about the vaccine and COVID. Don't you find it odd that the same people that think this way are the same people that think the vote was stolen, climate change is a hoax, there's some kind of secret cabal, etc. I think it is time for a lot of people to start studying what compels them to believe in conspiracies. Some people believe in them because they are looking for someone to blame for their problems or for negative events that have happened to them. Others may believe in them because they feel like they have a lack of control over their lives and believing in a conspiracy theory can give them a sense of control. Still others may believe in conspiracy theories because they find them more appealing or exciting than accepting more mundane explanations. Finally, some people may believe in conspiracy theories because they have been influenced by others who believe in them, or because they have been exposed to a lot of misinformation or propaganda.
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Agreed. It goes like this:
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Some random dude with zero credibility puts on twitter that he's hearing FIRST HAND that a fairly high profile CU football player is going to announce a transfer the next day.
Random anonymous internet message board folks speculate it's Mafah, among others.
Other random folks read it and take it as fact that Mafah is transferring.
It never happens, yet others still interpret the whole situation as even credible.
Pathetic world we live in.
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spot f’n on***
Jan 5, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Re: Climate change became real ?
Jan 5, 2023, 4:02 PM
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when ?
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Re: Climate change became real ?
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About 4,000 years ago. About the time cows started farting.
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Re: Cows belching is a greater source of methane
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.. than cows farting.
But neither is causing a crisis on Earth.
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Re: Cows belching is a greater source of methane
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just read a headline today about the possibility of a small shift in Jupiter's(?) orbit being a cause for climate change. I didn't read much into it. but we keep getting indications that any change in climate we are finding may well be far beyond our cause or control.
Read another headline indicating German govt studies finding the vaccines may well be quite harmful.
Ive read other articles indicating many questionable acts took place with vote calculations in the last general election
Conspiracy theories? Read the news. you cannot read statements of Schwab, Soros, Gates and others without wondering just what is going on. If Murdaugh can get away with so much for so long as a result of the buddy system, why do you think similar things aren't going on at the national and international level?
Hopefully politicians are telling the truth, but they don't have a good track record. Hopefully scientists promote only what they find and are not influenced by others, but when scientists have widely diverging opinions, how does one accept the statements if one group over another?
If you don't think we are living in strange times, your sense of norm greatly differs from my own.
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Re: I get it man.
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"Conspiracies" like Hillary and the FBI lied to a court for a fake impeachment-like the FBI and social media withholding info to help beat Trump-or the Al Gores years ago telling us by now we would all be under water--Fauci has changed his tune many times and has ties to the Chinese labs--but remember Trump is racist because he called it the Chinese flu.Some so called conspiracies have been seen to be true
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Re: I get it man.
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They are all nut-job conspiracies until proven to be true.
Hillary + FBI collusion to gin up fake ‘facts’ in order to set up impeachment of DJT: True
FBI coordinating with Twitter to censor people who had facts or expressed opinions which were favorable to DJT or harmful to JB: True
‘Heretics’ of Al Gore’s assertions that man made global warming is creating drought in east central Africa (he cites specific region and year vs year decline in that region’s rainfall during the period of time in whic he asserts that global warming had taken place).
Stanford University study reveals that Al Gore’s region of Africa had a DECLINE in temperature during that same interval of time when the drought had occurred.
Heretics / ‘climate deniers’ / conspiracy theorists of Al Gore’s message: The ‘heretics’ were correct (Mr. Gore is a blowhard ignoramus).
Fauci about face #1-A: Disallowing flights from P.R.China (place of Covid 19’s origin) helps to contain the spreading of the virus.
Fauci about face #1-B: Disallowing flights from P.R.China (place of Covid 19’s origin) is ‘xenophobic’ and is of no use to stop virus spread.
Fauci about face #2-A: Covid 19 vax will prevent the vaccinated from catching Covid 19.
Fauci about face #2-B: Covid 19 vax does not prevent the vaccinated from catching Covid 19, but the vax keeps virus from spreading.
Fauci about face #2-C: Covid vax neither protects from catching spreading Covid 19, but after catching Covid you won’t get as sick.
Fauci about face #3-A: (Q2 2021 … repeat of long time message) … day 1: Covid 19 situation is categorized as a pandemic.
Fauci about face #3-B: (Q2 2021 … new message) ……………………….day 2: Covid 19 situation is downgraded to an endemic.
Fauci about face #3-C: (Q2 2021 … NEW new message) ………………. day 3: Covid 19 situation is re-elevated to pandemic status.
Heretics / ‘conspiracy theorists’ about trustworthiness of the world’s self-professed virology expert: The ‘heretics’ were correct.)
CDC loudly pushes narrative that natural immunity to Covid 19 is a myth.
CDC (very quietly … in 2021) acknowledges that natural immunity to Covid 19 does indeed occur.
Heretics / ‘conspiracy theorists’ about the truthfulness of federal government health agencies: The ‘heretics’ were correct (AGAIN)
Dear dixiedon, I wish that you were wrong, but facts here prove that you are correct.
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Remember when Shadow banning on Twitter was crazy conspiracy
Jan 6, 2023, 12:33 PM
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Now we know it wasnt.
There is a lot to be said for the wisdom obtained by observing the world for 50 years.
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Re: I get it man.
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Does Clemson require all athletes to get the COVID vax?
If so, then does Clemson require that all students get the vax?
Finally, if all students must get the vax, then does this apply to faculty, staff, and each on-campus employee?
Just asking, since the vax has been proven to neither :
Prevent catching Covid 19
Prevent spreading Covid 19
Prevent Covid 19 hysteria
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Re: I get it man.
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I don’t know about the athletes specifically but I do know Clemson did not require students, faculty, or employees to get the vaccine. Those who did not get the vaccine had to undergo more frequent testing at some times when testing requirements were relaxed for those who had been vaccinated. HTH.
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Talk about a watered down version of the truth.
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You were not required to get the vaccine but basically you were made to live in hell and get tested basically nonstop by a test that was never designed for this that the creator said should not be used for this and it was ######## insanity because never in history have we treated people this way and the people doing this at the top knew it was all BS from the very beginning.
FYI we are talking about non-stop testing of people showing zero symptoms of being sick.
Clearly you are a brainwashed idiot That believed the hype and hysteria of Covid. No. It’s not a conspiracy. But it is and has been absolute BS from the very beginning! The studies are coming out showing that it was nowhere near as deadly as suspected, which many of us knew because the data proved that. This was ######## from the government from day one and some of us saw it and knew it and got everything right while people like you got everything wrong and wanted to treat other people like second class citizens. And now people like you are trying to rewrite history.
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Re: I get it man.
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They (health professionals) told you in 2020 that the virus would mutate (anyone with an education would have already known that) and vaccines would become less effective at preventing infection and the ability to spread over time. They told you again in 2021 when the vaccine rolled out. When the vaccine was first introduced, it was about 95% effective against infection and greatly reduced the chances an infected person would spread it to others. That changed the longer the virus was mutating and spreading, just like they told you. They also told you that the vaccine would still be effective at preventing serious illnesss even when it didn’t prevent as well against infection and transmission. All of those things are still true today. If you would have done just a cursory reading of the basics of vaccines, you would have known that. Nothing has changed except for the narrative. Although, Biden did erroneously say farther on in the pandemic that the virus would prevent infection and spread after that was true, but he’s not a health professional.
The reason life expectancy has greatly increased over time, is because of vaccines.
Those are the facts, not the narrative pushed by anti-boxers. Google some credible sources from 2020 and get back to me.
This country is full of ignorant people.
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Wow. You are brainwashed dude.
Jan 6, 2023, 7:27 AM
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The government and the powers that be got everything wrong about Covid from the very beginning and they spread fear and treated people like second class citizens and we’re stripping peoples constitutional rights just like with freedom of speech and other things that are going on. Covid was treated unlike any illness in the history of mankind, and it was all a bunch of mass hysteria promoted by the government, which is in bed with big Pharma. Covid was the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy elite in the history of mankind.
Technically some of what you wrote is correct, but everything you wrote was a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened. You’re one of those people that got everything wrong about Covid and wanted to treat people like second class citizens and call people dumb and ignorant and stupid, including many of the worlds top scientists that were telling you and the government and others you were wrong, and you were, but now you’re trying to rewrite history to make you look like you were right all along which is absolute BS!
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There are plenty of studies showing the vaccines, causing death and heart problems.
Jan 5, 2023, 8:35 PM
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The media simply is not talking about it.
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Please, by all means share those studies.***
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Open your eyes. Do a little research.
Jan 6, 2023, 7:38 AM
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There are studies that have been out and more are coming out, showing the excess mortality going on, and the dramatic increase in heart issues for children, and all types of other issues and people have been putting these out and people keep finding ways to excuse them or ignore them. Over the next 20 years more people are going to die from the vaccine in America then died from Covid. And oh by the way, probably less than half. The people that are reported to have died from Covid actually died from Covid. They are discovering that the regular flu is pretty much more dangerous than Covid. Everything surrounding Covid has been a lie And the vast majority of people on this forum got everything wrong, and were wrong from the beginning, and some of us tried saying that because it was always in the data and anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense saw it.
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Re: I get it man.
Jan 5, 2023, 8:46 PM
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The entire Left is nothing but a conspiracy propaganda entity. No one needed to wear a mask that harms everyone, especially children, or get the vaccines that are killing people in droves. Climate change is nothing more than a hoax to bankrupt Western Civilization. The Chi-Comms deliberately released the Wuhan virus to become the ultimate Imperialistic super power. Wake up , Einstein.
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Re: I get it man.
Jan 5, 2023, 10:57 PM
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You’re joking, right?
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Lmao
Jan 6, 2023, 7:12 AM
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I love people that stick their head in the sand and think the government doesn’t lie every day. That there aren’t people at the top, elites, that are manipulating people and money and governments and the world. Eisenhower actually talked about it in his farewell speech, and I’m not talking just about the military industrial complex. he talked about more than that and those of the forces that have been a problem for years. The government has been engaged in manipulating speech and information in this country for ever but it has been even worse since 2015 and maybe you’re not paying attention to the reporting being done by Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger and others. All incredibly credible journalist.
I also think it’s hilarious that people like you don’t understand the actual definition of a conspiracy. You act like anyone that believes in conspiracies is crazy. Never mind the fact that conspiracies happen every single day. I guess you missed the part where the government is now basically admitting there are UFOs. Just one example of a conspiracy theory. Why are they so desperate to keep anything regarding Kennedy‘s assassination secret long after it was legally supposed to have been released to the public?
A conspiracy is nothing more than two or more people secretly planning to commit a crime or do something nefarious. That’s every crime committed by more than one person. But people like you have your head up your ### or in the sand and like to discredit people that say anything you disagree with or find distasteful so you call it a conspiracy theory! Let’s make them sound crazy! You’re the one that’s crazy and living in denial.
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Re: I get it man.
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Some folks are as dumb as a rock. They can't help themselves. Many people with Highschool Ed. Can't do simple math.
You can convince them of the crazy thangs.
No, it's not that they know better and would live a lie. It's them not knowing how to to see the stupidity of the issue.
The more you try to explain it the more you are part of the plan to take over the world . I stopped talking to my brother because he thought I was reporting on him to the Government.
He died of COVID-19 before I could change his mind. So sad, because I love dearly. He had a great mind in other things.
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Re: I get it man.
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You do know that the two can coexist right. Some of us didn’t get or make our kids get the jab and we don’t want them playing this violent sport anymore.
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More kids get hurt playing soccer.
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More people slip and fall and die in their bathroom EVRRY year than have died in the last 30 years playing sports, especially football. Anyone that doesn’t play a sport, including football, because they’re scared of getting hurt is just stupid. This is another example of the media overhyping something and spreading fear and ignorance! Sports, especially team sports, is one of the greatest teachers of life‘s lessons, especially in these modern times where children can no longer be allowed to even be children on a playground without constant supervision, which is why we have crazy cancel culture and so many of crazy things today. Life is not fair. Life is dangerous. Because it’s life!
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Re: I get it man.
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You must be a fool. This about college programs. If you have a degree you must have been from another school or cheated
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I didn’t give my kids the COVID vaccine either.***
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Re: I didn’t give my kids the COVID vaccine either.***
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Good for you! (I am being sincere.)
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Welp, that was the dumbest thing i've read today.***
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Re: I get it man.
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That tin foil hat is too tight and restricting the Oxygen to your brain.
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We truly do live in a dumb society.
Jan 5, 2023, 8:40 PM
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And some of the dumbest ones are the ones that claim to be about science and data, etc.
More people slip and fall in the shower and die every year in America than have died from sports in the last 20 or 30 years combined.
And the studies are showing the vaccine has caused all cause mortality to skyrocket and studies are proving the link with myocarditis and heart conditions especially for young people. But these people probably still think the vaccine keeps you from getting sick. That the vaccine is better than natural immunity. Etc. etc. We live in a society that is completely brainwashed!
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This is amazing. You’re first and last sentence describe yourself to a T
Jan 6, 2023, 7:41 AM
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Yet you don’t realize it.
“Some of the dumbest people claim to be about science and data” > “ the studies are showing the vaccine has caused all cause mortality to skyrocket” Throwing out a random data claim with no backing is a good example of your first statement.
“We live in a society that is completely brainwashed!”> “ But these people probably still think the vaccine keeps you from getting sick”
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Lmao
Jan 6, 2023, 7:45 AM
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Nice try. I have been right about almost everything over the last 20 years that people have gotten wrong on this forum and I was right about Covid and have been proven right about Covid and people like you and others have been wrong about everything regarding Covid and now trying to rewrite history.
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Re: We truly do live in a dumb society.
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Your statement about dumb people claiming to be about data is interesting, given your apparent lack of understanding of data.
1. I would like to see your data on the number of people who die from organized sports and number of people who die slipping and falling in the shower.
2. Then I would like to see you turn that into a meaningful statistic. When you do so, please consider that far more people take showers than participate in sports. Furthermore, consider that people likely take showers more often than they participate in sports. You need to normalize the number of deaths to the number of opportunities for death in order to have a meaningful statistic.
I'm just speculating here, but I would guess you don't have data and you don't know where to find it and you don't understand the concept of normalizing it.
I will say this, the first line of your post is accurate, just not exactly how you think.
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Re: I get it man.
Jan 6, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Ah jeez. The plandemic made a dumb world dumber. You folks will give your kids Covid vax but won’t let ‘em play football. An untested and unnecessary kill shot caused this man to have a heart attack. My lord. There’s no hope anymore. The sheep will follow Fauci off a cliff. You people with the vaccine have been warned. Best of luck to ya and god speed.
I'm a conservative Republican who voted for Trump, but you clot shot election was stolen arsehat's are the primary reason the freaking Libs are winning elections and forcing inflation increasing legislation down our throats and causing all of our hard-earned savings to go down the drain. The majority of websites and sources of your 'scientific' medical data have widely been discredited yet you still fancy yourself as internet doctor. The world is a dumber place because of idiots such as you not the pandemic.
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Re: I get it man.
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It is a less risk of something like what happened to Hamlin on the field, than it is getting runover by crossing the street!!! It's a huge risk when you sit down to enjoy a meal, and it ends up choking you to death if you're not eating with someone that knows what to do if choking occurs. I know that it's true bc my wife would have died if I hadn't been setting there when she got choke on a piece of steak. I was already away from the table when her friend screamed for me, and I saw what was happening as soon as I looked at her face, and I start the Heimlich maneuver on her and saved her life. Every person reading this should learn how to perform the Heimlich maneuver, I did in a basic 6 hour CPR class 40 years ago that only took 6 hours, 2 hours for a few Saturdays and I have saved two people bc I took the time to learn CPR, and giving someone back their life is the best feeling you'll ever have. It could be a total strange that you help to live, or it could be your child or someone else in your family, and the basic class was 6 hours when I took it, and giving two people their life back made those 6 hours the best 6 hours of my life!!!
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Re: I get it man.
Jan 5, 2023, 4:42 PM
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That is just an extreme example. This game physically wears on players, and CTE is a big problem. Look at Hershel.
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There are studies that show soccer is more dangerous for children than football.
Jan 6, 2023, 7:43 AM
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And that’s not an extreme example more people die from choking more people die slipping in the bathroom every year than have died from football in the history of football. This is another example of the media scaring people and hyping fear and ignorance! Sensationalizing a story for profit! And yes, CTE is real, but people die every day from all types of things that are not even remotely dangerous because that’s life! Football is great and has saved and changed more lives than will ever be affected by it negatively! So go live in your little bubble!
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Re: I get it man.
Jan 5, 2023, 6:23 PM
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Great message / public health reminder about the risks from choking on food, and how understanding about technique to perform the Heimlich maneuver!
God bless you for your timely response and proper use of the Heimlich maneuver to save your wife’s life!
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On the other hand, your examples to compare / contrast risk factors are illogical.
The FB player and the physically fit non-FB player both eat big meals and cross the street; their respective risks to life and health are identical.
The FB player bears an additional risk of injury from playing the game.
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More people slip and die in the bathroom every year
Jan 5, 2023, 8:37 PM
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In America than athletes have died, playing sports in the last 20 years combined.
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Re: More people slip and die in the bathroom every year
Jan 6, 2023, 1:12 PM
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That's a dumb comparison. Every single American takes a shower or bath on a near every day basis. How many of those same Americans play football?
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Goes for grandkids too.... but
Jan 5, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Re: Goes for grandkids too.... but
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always let my son make his own decision to play,and always made sure his mom was on board as well.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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Stupid comment. Better not let them drive or go to the doctor either. Gotta protect the little darlings from everything, ya know.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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Also, don't let him swim in a pool, walk across a street, be around household cleaners, or be around power tools. Of course, these are the same people who let their kids chug soda and energy drinks and eat processed foods.
It's an emotional response and he'll probably come to his senses, but the histronics are a bit much. The reason this is such a shock is because of how rarely it happens. Every day, people kiss their spouses and kids, get in a car and leave the house for the last time. Life isn't guaranteed and is best lived to the fullest.
I enjoy skydiving but I have two chutes packed. And it's actually safer than driving.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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its definitely an emotional response, and most of the country is having a knee jerk reaction. I knew at the moment of watching the hit that it was something very specific or medically related because you can not get more of a routine play then that. The fact that it happened during prime time Monday night high playoff implication with tens of millions watching exacerbated the reaction. There is more danger in getting on I-85 and driving from here (Anderson) to Greenville cause Lord knows the news reports a tragic accident almost daily. My son loves quite a few sports and im going to encourage him into whichever one he chooses to focus on. My job will be to monitor his health as best i can with his doctor visits and find out about any family traits so that we can worry less.....because we all worry every single day of some form every time we step foot out our homes
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Exactly
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I think at some point they'll find he had some underlying condition that exacerbated the injury. It wasn't a magic kill shot that caused his heart to stop.
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Re: Exactly
Jan 5, 2023, 3:17 PM
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That’s what I was thinking some medical problem he didn’t know or thought everything was ok. Praying for him.
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The guy is alive and doing well.
Jan 6, 2023, 7:58 AM
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Not only did you get it correct but these things happen from time to time and normally because of the fact that they were playing sports and were able to get immediate medical attention. They survived an underlying condition that had it happened when they were driving their car or some other job they probably would have died. It was the fact that it happened while they were playing sports that ended up saving their life!
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 4:49 PM
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> I enjoy skydiving but I have two chutes packed. And it's actually safer than driving.
Yes, if you are just comparing the two statistically, but skydiving is in addition to your other activities (such as driving). So adding skydiving still increases your risk of death/injury.
Same argument for football. People swim in pools, walk across the street, etc... but adding in football does add risk.
I'm in no way suggesting that we should ban these activities or wrap our kids in bubble wrap. I just think it's reasonable for a parent to choose other less risky sports/activities.
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That’s ridiculous!
Jan 6, 2023, 8:18 AM
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There are plenty of studies showing soccer is nearly as dangerous as football. Maybe more so when it comes to concussions especially for children.
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I rode bikes and skateboards without a helmet or knee pads
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Jan 5, 2023, 6:58 PM
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and I'm still here. I drank out of a water hose, jumped on a trampoline without a net, rode my bike in the dark without a headlight, played outside without adult supervision, ate fried everything, put salt on my food, and I'm still here.
Of course, at my current age I do none of those things, but I'm still here.
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Exactly. We’ll stated!
Jan 6, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Approximately 7500 people die in America every day! More people slipped and died in their shower or bath tub last year than have ever died from sports in America.
Frankly, I have been disgusted at the way the media and people have reacted to this. Little children are in every hospital in America dying from cancer but the world had to stop and fixate for days on this one event and make this guy out to be some tragic hero while demonizing football and it will probably end up being non-football related.
It’s another example of the media, sensationalize and hyping something for their own financial gains. And unfortunately given the times we live in to promote their own narrative.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Am I understanding your sarcasm correctly?
Are you being derisive of DeShawn Williams because he has concerns about a health risk to his child in the event o& a football related injury?
Are equating the overall risk to a person who plays football and who also drives a car to someone who does not play football and who also drives a car?
If this is the basis for your attempt at sarcastic humor, then you need some new material.
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Might want to consider not getting the vaccine either.***
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Oh man his comment is going to lead to a FIREHOSE
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of stupid comments…. Oh too late
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They don't only call this tardnet because of the
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emotional gameday posts, that's for sure.
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We have MORE than our share
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Of Luddite, science denying, you tube doctor, Bronze Age myth Believing. Qanon dumbarses here
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Re: We have MORE than our share
Jan 5, 2023, 6:33 PM
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And I read this just after you posted about the firehouse of stupid comments which D.Williams’ interview had stimulated.
I see that you are creating a self-fulfilling prophesy … similar to giving your own stupid post a TU.
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That occurrence is so rare he should be keeping the kid...
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from riding on a bike or in a car. The probability of death is much higher with either of those activities.
I recommend a cocoon.
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Re: That occurrence is so rare he should be keeping the kid...
Jan 5, 2023, 4:51 PM
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Death isn't the only risk he's worried about though. Your body gets really beat up and CTE is a major problem.
You pretty much have to ride a bike or car in daily life. Adding a violent sport like football does add additional risk.
I'm not saying people can't choose to do that, that's totally fine. But it's not unreasonable to decide to play a less violent sport.
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Regarding CTE and head injuries
Jan 6, 2023, 8:21 AM
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There are plenty of studies showing soccer is nearly as dangerous as football, quite possibly more dangerous for children.
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Re: That occurrence is so rare he should be keeping the kid...
Jan 5, 2023, 6:37 PM
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This is not an either / or choice.
Both FB players and non-FB players ride bikes and drive cars, and therefore bear equal risk from these activities.
The FB player, however, bears an additional risk of injury from playing FB.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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Interesting take, since it has not been released as to what caused the cardiac arrest why would he blame football, a sport he is currently playing. A soccer ball could have hit him with more velocity than the hot from Higgins. A baseball could do the same if the assumption was the hit caused the cardiac arrest. Wonder if anyone will tie it to any of the myriad of heart ailments associated with the vax's... perhaps he had a pre existing undiagnosed condition, such as an enlarged heart... there are just too many what if's to speculate on what exactly occurred, hopefully he recovers and they can figure out what happened and see if they can prevent it from happening again.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 2:17 PM
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The media is making this all about the evils of football (a sport they have always hated and would ban tomorrow if they could) so you can forget any discussion of prior conditions, vaccine status or literally anything else as being even remotely responsible.
Football bad. Period. Get in line or get called a conspiracy theorist or worse.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 11:23 PM
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The media is making this all about the evils of football (a sport they have always hated and would ban tomorrow if they could) so you can forget any discussion of prior conditions, vaccine status or literally anything else as being even remotely responsible.
Football bad. Period. Get in line or get called a conspiracy theorist or worse.
I haven't seen the media say this is all about the evils of football, but I wouldn't be surprised if right-wing media is telling their followers that is what's going on. And... hook, line, sinker.
There are a lot of reasons to not let your kid play football. This is the least of them because it was such a freak accident.
I've little doubt that in a few decades, people will be watching soccer in all these big stadiums. Not because anyone will regulate football away, but because insurance companies won't provide coverage to people playing football.
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Clearly you haven’t been paying attention.
Jan 6, 2023, 8:25 AM
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The left has hated football and sports in general for a very long time. The left is trying to use football for more of their crazy nonsense. And I hate to break it to you, but soccer is pretty much just as dangerous as football, and when it comes to head injuries and concussions, there are studies saying for children it’s likely more dangerous.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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Long as you don't poison your kids with vax they'll be ok.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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When do we become so anti-vax. It's so dumb.
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life is full of risks........
Jan 5, 2023, 1:52 PM
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I don't blame him for his comments or concerns.....It was a very scary thing to watch. That kind of thing makes people say things that may surprise others. That was a FREAK accident that happened on a hit that wasn't near a violent as most other hits are. That was your "struck by lightening" odds. Can it happen when you hear the rumble....yes, but still pretty rare. I personally would be more concerned about the frequency of concussions and permanent brain damage from them. We all hope to live long and enjoy our retirement years, not suffer from Alzheimer's or other cognitive decline. Not to mention ruining one's knees or other of the bodies joints that give us good function and mobility. Those are regular and normal outcomes from playing violent contact sports. You make choices and you live with them.
BTW....I love watching football and REPSPECT those that play it......nothing better than a Clemson Saturday Home game. I am just thankful that neither of my boys elected to play the sport. If they had wanted that, I would have supported their decision...just happy that they didn't. I personally enjoy being 52 and being able to run, work out and stay active. I can't say that for most of my friends that did play football back in college. I hope that my boys can enjoy the same as they age.
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It’s America’s pastime!
Jan 5, 2023, 1:53 PM
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Message board posters telling other people how to raise their children and otherwise live their lives that is.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 1:57 PM
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I don’t think I want my kid playing football an either but it isn’t because someone he a heart attack on the field. His doctors just said they didn’t even know if it was related to contact on the field or some underlying issue.
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Exactly. This situation with Hamlin is one of many reasons to exercise caution
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with a sport like football.
It’s not THE reason.
I already decided that my kids aren’t playing football before this happened, due to the real risk of debilitating musculoskeletal and neurological injuries.
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Sorry but I disagree with you.
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There’s a risk in everything we do. Every day we drive to work. I know some things are more dangerous but honestly sports was everything to me in highschool and I only wish I was good enough to take it to the next levels.
Your kids your decision. No doubt about that. I’ll never question anyone else’s parenting style but my wife is expecting and we both know sports will be a big part of their life. If we have a boy and he chooses to play football I’ll be his biggest fan and support him!
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With a name like Titan...
Jan 5, 2023, 2:09 PM
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He may not have a choice but to let him play football...
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Probably his first kid
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I know my older brother wasn’t allowed to do anything when he was little. By the time I came around my parents would send me out into the middle of the street to play with a box of matches and a pair of scissors.
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Ever stop to think about their motives?
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Whatever they were didn't work? My wife still doesn't say anything about me going deer hunting alone at 74 years of age.
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They did have an usually big insurance policy on a 4 yr old***
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So maybe I should cancel my policies and
Jan 5, 2023, 2:44 PM
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stop hunting alone?
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 2:30 PM
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So he doesn't want his kids to play but he continues to play?? Really?? Goes to show how much he really doesn't mean what he says. If he did he would quit right now for the sake of his family. Injuries happen in football. Injuries of this nature are very very uncommon in football (and other sports). You have a much much higher risk of dying while driving your car than having your heart stop while playing football. Not trying to sound cold here. What happened was horrible but let's not make stupid statements like this.
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I went off to war but don't want anyone sending
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my son or grandsons to fight. Even if it still worked the same way or if it was by their choice.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
Jan 5, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Commotio cordis, if that is indeed what caused Hamlin's cardiac arrest, is much more common in other sports like baseball, hockey, and lacrosse than it is in football. Little Leaguers die from it every year. There are valid reasons to not want your son to play football, but this freak incident isn't one of them.
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Opinions Can Change
Jan 5, 2023, 2:36 PM
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Originally, I thought I'd have no issue with my (future) kids playing football if they desired. Now, not so much when it comes to full blown tackle football.
As a kid, I could only dream of playing CFB -- donning the Clemson colors and being drafted in the NFL. However, despite my love for the game, I can recognize that the toll of football isn't good on the human body. (Though if younger me were offered a scholly I'd 100% take it like probably any of us on this board.)
How many on this board have had knee, back, shoulder, or even head issues from playing football?
Yeah, it ain't a game for sissies but them big boys ain't escaping father time and the effect of the game on the human body so can't fault anyone that played not allowing their children to play tackle football.
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Soccer is just as dangerous as football
Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM
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When it comes to lower body, injuries and fat, a lot of pediatricians say it is worse especially for children. When it comes to head injury, soccer is showing in studies to be just as dangerous, if not more dangerous for young children that football.
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I understand, but not for that reason.
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This injury is RARE. One of the cardiologists said it only occurs 10 to 15 tiems a year and mostly in baseball, lacrosse or field hockey.
I love football. I coached it for a few years. And, the possibility of an injury is real. If I had a son I might balk at him playing football but it would be because of concern over a head or neck injury resulting in paralysis.
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My sons aren’t either.***
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro after watching Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest: "My son’s not playing football"
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And yet he is still playing. If FB is so risky why does he not retire given he should have more money saved than he can spend in two lifetimes?
The answer is because of the money and because football players are modern day gladiators. The exhilaration of running onto the field with 80K fans cheering has no other comparison in modern society outside of perhaps a performer at a concert.
My guess is his son may want to play for the same reasons he wants to play else someone else will be willing to take the risk given the rewards.
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Terrible freak accident & praying for full recovery, however,
Jan 5, 2023, 5:57 PM
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that kind of cardiac incident from a blow to the chest is more common in youth baseball & has even happened more often in youth Lacrosse….that is why many pitchers in youth baseball have been encouraged to wear chest protectors over their heart in the event that a batter hits a line drive right at their chest area. I’m not discounting how horrible Hamlin’s was
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Terrible freak accident & praying for full recovery, however,
Jan 5, 2023, 5:57 PM
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that kind of cardiac incident from a blow to the chest is more common in youth baseball & has even happened more often in youth Lacrosse….that is why many pitchers in youth baseball have been encouraged to wear chest protectors over their heart in the event that a batter hits a line drive right at their chest area. I’m not discounting how horrible Hamlin’s was
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Re: It happens more often in basketball.
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Jan 5, 2023, 7:55 PM
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It's happening all over the world, and it's 100% because of the deadly experimental jab.
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First of all, I’m not advocating for banning anything.
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Jan 5, 2023, 10:00 PM
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But I am advocating that we have a conversation about football.
Hamlin’s issue is a reminder to revisit that conversation as it relates to football. His injury seems to be a freak thing that is super rare, but sadly, it is one of many potential negative effects from football.
I’m much more concerned about traumatic brain injury and all the ruined backs, knees, ankles, and hips from football than I am from basketball.
But sure, if we start seeing permanently damaged brains from basketball like we are in football then I think it’s a conversation we should have about basketball too.
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You're safe if you didn't get the deadly experimental jab...
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Jan 5, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Such a sad state of affairs...some of us tried to stop our friends and family because we knew what was truly and actually going on. It's slowly trickling out - The Great Awakening - as NFL players are beginning to speak out about how they've been silenced, many didn't want to get the deadly jab but were forced to, that they've seen the thousands of athletes around the World dropping dead, unexpectedly. {Fyi, if that sounds odd our new to you, that's likely because you still watch the MSM...they won't show it. As you'll come to understand they're part of it: Big Tech, Media, Big Pharma, CDC, FDA, the US Govt...lying to you with a plan all along to kill off as many people as possible using 'vaccines'. They've talked about it for decades - Gates, Fauci, etc...you just wouldn't know that, any of it for that matter, if you're still a slave to the TV.} They know what the cause is and they're deeply concerned (as they should be)...The Great Awakening, the only way to pull the masses out of their programming, conditioning, and brain washing was this way. As they come to realize all the entities, people (politicians, 'celebrities', etc.) agencies, etc. lied to them, and now their lives are in grave danger...only then will people break free of their trance, well most, some of the Sheeple will always fight it. Left wing ideology is the greatest evil the World has ever known, it is the ideology of tyrants and dictators, of the 1%. They convinced many of you otherwise, because they've controlled the agenda and narrative for 100's of years. Now you're hopefully beginning to see the truth and reality.
Sad state of affairs, prayers for Hamlin and all the players/people out there that took the deadly experimental jab.
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Re: You're safe if you didn't get the deadly experimental jab...
Jan 5, 2023, 11:28 PM
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tell us more about how you "knew what was truly and actually going on."
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Hold on here…I have seen NO NFL vaccine mandate…
Jan 6, 2023, 1:03 PM
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…WHAT/WHO are you referencing here when you imply that the NFL players were FORCED to get the COVID vaccine?
You can’t just throw these types of accusations out there without some references.
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A young person is way more likely to die in a car wreck than
Jan 5, 2023, 9:52 PM
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in a football game! Is he not going to let his son ever drive a car either?
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So much baloney, IMO….
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Jan 5, 2023, 9:53 PM
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If he feels that strongly, why doesn’t he quit himself- today, as he’s the most important figure in his baby’s life. It’s all driven by money with most of these guys. He’s already put his millions in the bank. If he was working at Burger King he’d have no problem with his kid playing football.
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Watched a doctor this morning who said it was impossible
Jan 6, 2023, 7:52 AM
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for the hit to cause the cardiac arrest with the chest protector from the shoulder pads. He said if it was a hit from a baseball, hockey puck, an MMA or boxing punch to an unprotected chest, then yes it could happen. I have no clue. Just posting what that doctor said.
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I will reference the Matt Ryan/David Dunham hit…
Jan 6, 2023, 12:59 PM
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If there were ever a hit to the chest that would have invoked a cardiac arrest, then I would say it would have been this hit from Dunham.
Ryan was hit like he was in a head-on car accident, losing his helmet from sheer rapid loss of momentum, not a forcible hit to the helmet.
Does anyone know if Ryan got up after that hit and continued playing?
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Has there been any info on Hamlin’s heart inflammation?
Jan 6, 2023, 12:50 PM
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Did Hamlin have COVID? If so, WHEN did he have it and what variant?
Did he have the vaccine? If so, WHEN did he take it?
Did the doctor’s treat Hamlin with any steroid drugs intended to treat Myocarditis? If so, WHY did they do that?
From what I have read, the NFL does NOT mandate the COVID vaccine, but does require daily testing.
The COVID vaccine pharma companies are indemnified from liability for adverse effects of the vaccine.
There are some statistics related to cardiac arrests in European professional athletes wherein, there were 29 cardiac incidents PER YEAR PRIOR to the COVID vaccine.
AFTER the COVID vaccine for athletes that had the vaccine, the cardiac incidents rose to 1,500 over the past two (2) years. Yes, I typed that correctly, 1,500 cardiac related incidents among the same class of people.
There have been well documented studies on YOUNG MALES developing Myocarditis AFTER taking the COVID vaccine.
While Hamlin’s medical records are confidential (HIPPA) and he can release any of his personal health records, I’m left to wonder if the NFL and the medical community associated with NFL player treatment, would TRY TO CONCEAL the release of such records IF the evidence showed that the COVID vaccine may have induced Myocarditis in Hamlin.
Imagine the ramifications of such information across the NFL players that had gotten the COVID vaccine.
And, I bring this conversation up, because we simply have not seen this happen in this situation before. And, it is my understanding that physical screenings for NFL players FAR EXCEEDS that given to the average person, and rightly so.
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