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TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 1:14 PM
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Sounds like it could be an exciting month with the poral and NESD.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 1:19 PM
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I’ll believe it when I see it
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 5:44 PM
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We have used the portal before.
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Dec 9, 2022, 8:19 PM
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Re: When & please don't say HJ?****
Dec 10, 2022, 6:45 AM
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We have also offered kids in the portal before, but they decided to go elsewhere. For example, we offered the Center from Virginia last year, but he did not choose us.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 1:21 PM
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I understand Dabo building the "culture" of Clemson. Family, team, and (the horror) God! So do the coaches have the same ability to suss out a transfer? Maybe not. I've often hears coaches don't look for the "best" player, but the "best" fit. Thats commendable. We don't have the divas. We have team players. As it should be. The crux is then we need our coaches to be the best to coach the players to succeed. I hope some of that made sense.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 4:18 PM
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A little, and the part I have serious questions about is the coaching up players the same as coaches in the past were able to do and did. But now with the first time coaches at their now new positions, and their inexperience alone leaves me with a ton of concern, and a lot of us here on T Net have talked about our coordinators head scratching calls our Coordinators make in games.
Bc of their inexperience, and they are inexperienced bc, this is the first time for Goodwin as a coordinator anywhere, and Streeter's only experience as a coordinator was at the lowest level of college FB there is. Neither of them has held a position of authority at a power 5 school. And with that being the facts of very limited experience of them both, it's really worrisome with all the young HS talent coming in, Goodwin and Streeter don't have the experience needed to get these kids coached up as well, or as fast as experienced Power 5 coordinators have been doing for years.
Streeter, Goodwin, and a few of their assistance just don't have the experience needed to teach these young men at the pace needed for them to be their best in the short time that a college career really is. And that is the main reason that college coordinators and their assistance have to have years of experience teaching/coaching young men to be at their best in a very short amount of time. I mean a HC can't say you are now a offensive/defensive coordinator and zap, they are now the best Teachers for 18, 19, 20-year-old young men. It just doesn't happen like that, especially at the level of FB that Clemson has been playing the past decade, it takes an experienced coaching staff that must be experienced teachers!!!
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 6:54 PM
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I guess I have to remind d you that our AD said our WR coach was now a head coach, and zap!, he became one. Still, if that HC had failed, he would certainly would have been replaced. We have to hope that Dabo takes off the blinders and make an honest evaluation of what is right, and what is wrong with his program. And then not hesitate to make changes.
Dabo reminds me of a boss I once had. He kept an underperforming manager even though this manager's projects were money losers, and we all knew it. We all suffered because his non-performance cost us all at bonus time as overall company profitability accounted for one quarter of our bonuses. It's time to evaluate where we are.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 1:22 PM
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I think we are "active shoppers" but not sure how much we will actually buy and bring home...
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 4:02 PM
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"Window shoppers" is more like it!
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Well we don't need a lot of players and there aren't a lot that can come in and play. I believe the fact that we have not yet taken anyone really from the outside is more due to fact that we haven't found anyone rather than the fact that we aren't looking. With portal numbers soaring overall and with our numbers also growing (its what the kids do now - if they don't like something they just leave rather than fight for what they want) its just a matter of time before you see an influx of transfers. I don't think you can add enough high school freshmen to keep up and be competitive at the level we expect to compete at.
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Why don’t we need a lot of players?
Dec 9, 2022, 4:13 PM
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We had multiple position groups this year that underperformed.
Which position groups this year performed at a level consistent with the elite programs? Honestly, very few.
If we are happy being at or near the top of the ACC, then I suppose we’re fine. But if we want to compete for national championships, we have a lot of needs.
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Re: Why don’t we need a lot of players?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:02 PM
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I'll grant you that there are players in the portal who are great players, but I'd say that number isn't huge. Most guys leave because they didn't get the playing time they thought they deserved, or they just wanted more. I suggest they didn't get the PT because they just weren't that good, in many, or most, cases. It's going to be interesting to see just how many Portal guys really make it big on other good teams.
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Alabama had 3 starters from ACC schools this season
Dec 10, 2022, 1:01 AM
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and other portal players that started or made the 2 deep.
You are brainwashed and quoting talking points!
And why do you always assume someone is transferring because they couldn’t make the depth chart at the prior school? A ton of players transfer that actually played quite a bit. A lot of kids end up going where they go because of pressure from other people. Then they realize they made a mistake and they decide to take control of their life and their future so they enter the portal and go where they want to go. How good is your job performance when you’re not motivated? how good are you at anything when you’re not happy? And true freshman rarely come in to a top 10 program and make an impact. A handful each year at any one program in the best of circumstances.
You people love saying things that sound smart, that sound plausible that sound practical and reasonable that just aren’t true because you don’t really understand the bigger context you don’t understand the big picture nor football.
Those people are always the ones that worship Dabo and whatever he says they drink the Kool-Aid and they make dumb comments to rationalize anything our coaching staff does when everyone else can see how stupid it is.
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Re: Alabama had 3 starters from ACC schools this season
Dec 10, 2022, 4:17 AM
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Coots gonna coot, period. It was one game in the last 8 years by one point and we gift wrapped it. This will not be the norm no matter how much mayonnaise Beamer is covered in.
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Re: Alabama had 3 starters from ACC schools this season
Dec 10, 2022, 7:37 AM
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Are you talking about the Alabama who finished with the same number of losses as Clemson, headed to the same non-cfp caliber bowl as Clemson? THAT'S your example?
What point are you trying to make?
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Whoa, wait…
Dec 10, 2022, 8:49 PM
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I thought we made a playoff game. Dabo just said the Orange Bowl versus Tennessee was a playoff game.
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Re: Alabama had 3 starters from ACC schools this season
Dec 11, 2022, 12:34 PM
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BTW, Alabama didn't fair all that well this year, either (last I saw, they aren't in the final 4). Also, I had 4 years experience as an Offensive Tackle at Clemson, so I do know a good bit about playing football, but I don't pretend to know all the reasons guys leave. My comments and ideas are my own, and I have every right to voice opinion, just as you. My opinion is based on past experience, however. There are many issues, on field and off field, that can impact transfer decisions, and chemistry can make a big difference, too.
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Re: Why don’t we need a lot of players?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Clemson doesn’t cycle players, which is what you are suggesting.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 2:05 PM
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I'd love to get Cypress, I just hope it wouldn't mess up Lukus or Pride....seems like those 2 are primed to take the next step next season. But the way we rotate players, all 4 would see plenty of PT.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 5:37 PM
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We need the depth. Both will get plenty of pt as you said even with someone else. Plus the different packages we run, need different skills.
We could use some experienced depth at linebacker too. Just an injury away. Sure, you'll have an amazing freshman that might step up but that's risky. LB hard position to play first year.
Also could use a stud WR which the portal has quite a few. Same with an experienced DE.
People tend to assume said players will bump someone. Look at the guys transfer from here. They didn't automatically play. As for culture, we act like they're an alien or something. No different than a hs player. You do the same vetting. It's just another recruit.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:21 PM
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Cypress and Wiggins would go pro if they improve any on the season they had this year.. pride and lukus will get pt and be ready to step up the following year
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Thanks for the article David. This gives me hope that Dabo and the coaches are willing to evolve.
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I’ll believe it when I see it.***
Dec 9, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 2:56 PM
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Sounds encouraging David, thanks.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 4:12 PM
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The portal is a wonderful device when used as a rifle and not as a shotgun. The USC (California) use of it was extreme, with 19-20 portal arrivals. That isn't a team as much as a bus station filled with strangers, and what would have to be a loss of team cohesion.
Texas A&M is reportedly losing close to 20 players, the portal in reverse. My suspicion is that Coach Swinney has come to terms with the portal as a permanent piece of the football landscape. I would be surprised if he used it heavily, but a selective search might just provide good outcomes. The other side of that will be that with arrivals will come departures, as players who imagined playing time as they went through their 3-4 year stay get pushed aside by portal transfers serving as obstacles to their ascent.
I don't blame the coaches for hating the ease with which departures can occur, but that is just the way it is as players increasingly enroll at a university for playing time more than for scholarship. Adjustment to the new rules is critical if a Coach wants his teams to remain highly competitive.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Ok, I'm going to be that guy and just saying, but losing Swint isn't the end by any means. He came in and gave a breather yes, but playing DE appeared to be the moon to him. I often noticed all the backups in between the 20s and saw a lot of bend/don't break. I for one am actually ok with giving Godwin another year to see. ad it was his first year being the guy and frankly a lot of those busts were less about scheme than player. Streeter, I don't know. I will say I'm interested in seeing the offensive performance in the Orange Bowl. Anything less than the 2000 Rams "Greatest Show on Turf " IF we can catch, and I'm disappointed frankly.
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I’m skeptical.
Dec 9, 2022, 8:33 PM
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Especially that we’ll take more than 1 or 2 guys. Hopefully I’m wrong. Would love to see us take 3 or 4 IMPACT players.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:52 PM
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I’ll believe it when I see it. Watch out for FSU next year. Wonder how they got good so fast? Hmmm.
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I don’t get the infatuation with Swint
Dec 9, 2022, 11:06 PM
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he doesn’t appear to have the body and may never to be a significant contributor at DE for Clemson. Certainly him being a starter next year would just be a harbinger for a defense in trouble on the edge. I hope we get XT and Mascoll(not what we are used to there but serviceable given the strength inside and at LB)back as starters and Denhoff and Patterson are ready to contribute. Then mix in the best of one of the FR. We should try to add a guy from the portal at this position
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Re: I don’t get the infatuation with Swint
Dec 10, 2022, 7:05 AM
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I'm with you on this one ctigers90. Well said.
Seems like he got caught in between positions. Not sure what cbv was going to use him for but a lot of teams wanted him at linebacker.
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...And 50 tnetters will post dozens of: 'It's about time,'..
Dec 10, 2022, 5:56 AM
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and/or 'I knew this two years ago,' and/or 'That's why we've sucked for two years,' and/or 'I told you so,' along with half a dozen other cheap shots at Dabo for not recruiting heavily from the portal before now.
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Re: ...And 50 tnetters will post dozens of: 'It's about time,'..
Dec 10, 2022, 8:55 PM
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And they’ll be partially right too.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: How active will Clemson be?
Dec 11, 2022, 2:53 AM
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I hope we can former Alabama RB Trey Sanders and his O-lineman teammate as well. There is a good DT from Texas A&M and CB from Virginia in the portal now for Clemson to pickup,too.
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