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TNET: Five biggest games in Clemson's 2022 title path
May 31, 2022, 8:00 AM
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ND w/Al Golden
May 31, 2022, 8:42 AM
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I thought it was interesting they mention ND's new head coach as their former defensive coordinator but no mention of Al Golden after the way we drubbed his Miami team a few years ago.
I think it's a good hire, too (some coaches are better coordinators by nature) & while I don't love that our biggest game is once again technically an out-of-conference game I also wanted to point out that we have a bye-week before the biggest game on the schedule (Notre Dame does not) & that should count for something. Go Tigers!
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Re: ND w/Al Golden
May 31, 2022, 9:11 AM
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I think the bye week before Notre Dame could be a big help. Usually by that time players are pretty banged up and it also gives Mr. Weslicheck an extra week to plan defensive surprises.
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Good point
May 31, 2022, 10:15 AM
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I like the idea of the coaches taking the extra time to study tape, too.
Definitely the biggest game of our season again. Can't wait.
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Re: ND w/Al Golden
Jun 5, 2022, 5:02 PM
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The head liner mentions 5 tough games for us this coming season, well I saw maybe 2, in ND, and most like Miami, and I believe that our D will cause those 2 game to lose their excitement. And I'm not at all worried about whether DJ can get it done, or not, and that's bc this coming season, we will have a backup on the sidelines that could turn a starter into a backup if he slips up just a little bit, I do believe!!!
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Let’s be honest about head coaches and coordinators.
May 31, 2022, 9:56 AM
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The traditional route to becoming a head coach is as a successful coordinator or being a successful coach at a small school and getting an opportunity at a bigger program. I have always felt it’s better to hire a successful head coach versus coordinator because the two jobs are radically different and require vastly different skill sets.
The head coach of a major program is basically a CEO. He is managing a multi million dollar medium-size corporation. To be a head coach, especially today at a major program, you have to be great at marketing, sales, personnel management, motivation, as well as a problem solver and critical thinker.
Very rarely does a position coach get an opportunity to be a head coach, especially at a major program. Clemson somehow caught lightning in a bottle twice with Danny Ford and Dabo. But when you look at them you see why they were successful. Both are very intelligent with great people skills.
It’s difficult to be a great coordinator, but even more difficult to be a great head coach, which is why so few coordinators become successful head coaches. Being great as a coordinator does not in anyway prepare you to be a successful head coach. Because they are simply radically different jobs. But seeing how organized and methodical Dabo is it gives you a glimpse into the skill set to be a great head coach.
I think it’s going to be harder to find really successful much less great head coaches moving forward because of the money in the game. It’s more art than science. But given the money coordinators make they are going to hold out for a head coaching job at a big program rather than the more traditional route of a Nick Sabin or Urban Meyer. Because given the money in the game today if you leave a highly paid coordinator position to be head coach at a program that isn’t say a top 20 program and you fail there’s a good chance you’ll never get another opportunity to be a head coach. I think we’re going to see coordinators stay at successful programs longer and be much less willing to go to a smaller or lesser program as head coach.
Not like it has ever been easy to find successful, much less a great head coach. It has always been difficult. But given the money in the game today coaches are under a lot more pressure to win and win right now that we are not going to see many Dabo type situation‘s where a guy with the right skills is given a chance to grow into the job.
I give South Carolina credit for hiring Shane Beamer. I think that’s what more programs should do, give a guy with potential an opportunity, versus always hiring super successful coordinators. Because I just don’t think it transfers. I think give more younger guys with the right skill set an opportunity as well as younger guys at smaller programs that have been successful as HC versus a coordinator. The money and the pressure to win now is going to make that more difficult than ever, but I think it could be the better smarter approach.
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Re: Let’s be honest about head coaches and coordinators.
May 31, 2022, 2:49 PM
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Two other staff promotions that worked at Clemson were Frank Howard and Charley Pell.
John Heisman (120 years ago) is the only one of the top 5 Clemson coaches that was not promoted into the job.
Hiring from outside got us Bowden, Red Parker, Hatfield, and West…..
Looks like hiring a Clemson assistant has been our path to success over the last ~80 years.
Go Tigers, Wreck Tech!
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Re: Let’s be honest about head coaches and coordinators.
May 31, 2022, 4:03 PM
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T.Bowden's hire led to Dabo coming to Clemson. T.Bowden brought Clemson football into the modern age; Ken Hatfield was the last Clemson HC which believed that the best play for 1st down, 2nd down, and 3rd down was the run.
R.Parker's did the recruiting and early career development of players which directly led to Charley Pell's success.
Parker got fired at end of 1976 season; the players that he recruited set the table for the 'modern era' of Clemson football success.
Parker's players included the following studs: Steve Fuller, Jerry Butler, Dwight Clark, Joe Bostic, Jeff Bostic, Jonathan Brooks, Jim Stuckey, Archie Reese, Bubba Brown.
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No argument about Hatfield or T.West, though.
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Stoked to be talking about football!
May 31, 2022, 10:16 AM
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This time of the year is so tough. Baseball is over (for us). The summer is kicking into gear and you know its going to be a hot one but I'm so excited that we're about a 100 days till some football!!
Lets go TIGERS!
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Re: TNET: Five biggest games in Clemson's 2022 title path
May 31, 2022, 11:55 AM
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Notre Dame has nothing to do with the primary goal and that is to win the ACC. Can't cross a bridge until you get to it so if we are undefeated when we go to South Bend, we can about that game then.
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Agreed
Jun 1, 2022, 10:00 AM
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My only concern with the biggest game on the schedule not being an ACC game is we may need the win to make a bid for the playoff, but yes, not for the ACC title & I'm OK with that.
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Re: TNET: Five biggest games in Clemson's 2022 title path
Jun 5, 2022, 5:13 PM
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Don’t be naive. In coach speak, yes winning the ACC is the primary goal. And it’s important to keep that focus.
But in the real world, the expectations have become bigger.
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Re: TNET: Five biggest games in Clemson's 2022 title path
May 31, 2022, 2:48 PM
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I think Boston College might be sneaky good this year
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