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Time To Take Up For Hiring From Within
Dec 6, 2021, 2:17 AM
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I have no idea who Dabo will hire, but it’s time to take up for hiring from within. For instance, we have had the consistently best defense around in bigtime football for a long time under Venables. Those working with him learned. They paid their dues with a many year apprenticeship. Why would you pass on those who have served under the best DC around for years? Plus the intangibles about individuals that can only be learned by knowing and working with them for years is here. Dabo knows all this means a lot and will make it part of his decision process. It's not "nepotism" when a long term employee rises in any organization. The organization knows the value of the person who started as a blue collar worker and also has executive abilities.
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We need a proven DC coordinator who wants to step up to
Dec 6, 2021, 3:17 AM
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A big time program, not an apprentice who will have to learn on the job. Just because someone works for BV, it doesn’t mean they are ready to be the man as D coordinator at a big time football program .
If they think they are, then go to a smaller program and start, learn and prove it there. Then move up to a mid tier program and prove it their. THEN we can hire you back at Clemson. If one of those candidates exist, then put them on the list as a possible replacement. Otherwise, go get the best, proven DC coordinator available.
Clemson has no room for learning on the job time. Same for replacing TE at O coordinator. And we need to replace TE too. The offensive coaching has become stale and complacent. Players are not being developed. Go get Joe Brady! NOW if not sooner!
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Re: We need a proven DC coordinator who wants to step up to
Dec 6, 2021, 3:53 AM
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Continuity is needed when things are going well. Our defense has not been deficient. It has simply been the best. So the plus side of hiring within is the defense and players are known to the new DC. The relationships between coaches are known. For immediate results like we’ve had, hiring within is the way to go.
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Re: We need a proven DC coordinator who wants to step up to
Dec 6, 2021, 6:03 AM
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Illogical given the person making the decision is proof your model is not required. That wide receiver coach has done well at his first head job!!
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Re: We need a proven DC coordinator who wants to step up to
Dec 7, 2021, 1:18 AM
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Dabo is an exception, not the rule. Would you put Grisham at head coach or even OC?
I was pro Dabo from day 1. But very few have the “it” factor like him. BV is another. I have not seen that in another internal person other than maybe Jeff Scott who is no longer here.
Go to a proven up and comer outside. Too much insular/inside mentality creates blind spots and complacency. Stir it up. Create competition!
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Re: We need a proven DC coordinator who wants to step up to
Dec 7, 2021, 5:58 AM
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Agree. Look at all the apprentices under Saban and Belichick that failed trying to copy them. Venables defense and play calling were as much as his personality and what he felt at the time. It's a signature aggressive style.
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Here's a counter argument to that, just from a continuity
Dec 7, 2021, 9:11 AM
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standpoint. Any DC who is already a "Proven Commodity" is going to already be at the stage that BV was right before he left. So, if we were to GET one of these Proven Commodities, and they have more success here, then they will make that same jump to a Head Coaching job sooner than later.
Now, you will point out that Nick Saban maintains a National Championship winning program at Alabama with assistant coaching turnover just about every year. My answer to that one is EASY. There is not only ONE Nick Saban, there is also only ONE Alabama. Saban took over a what was already a legendary football school, due to the Bear Bryant legacy. He got them out of the doldrums that had existed mostly since that time, with the notable exception of a short time under Gene Stallings.
No other coach in the country has players AND assistant coaches lining up, wanting to be a part of their program like Saban has. He has truly created college football's self fulfilling prophesy, or perpetual motion machine, whatever name you want to give it. Every other Head Coach has to do just what Dabo Swinney is doing right now. Evaluate potential candidates, gauge their interest in US, and make the best decision to bring our program LONG TERM success.
I would take another Brent Venables in a heartbeat. But, I would also take another Mickey Andrews like FSU had for all those years as well. Some guys are cut out to be Robin, not Batman. That is how most programs that do not have the draw of a Nick Saban hope to do it, build a staff that provides continuity.
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COACH MIKE REED and COACH BRANDON STREETER
Dec 6, 2021, 5:46 AM
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Coach Venables is a beast in his own right, but who helped develop the playbook that garnered the most success was Mike Reed and Mickey Conn. Both of them are play writing geniuses. Our Secondary has improved vastly since those two arrived.
Coach Reed is a brain and would be a perfect fit because he's put his time in the trenches and knows the system better than any outsider that Coach Swinney would consider hiring. I say, if we have a man who is ready to step into the role who's already there, then maybe we should consider Coach Reed.
Mickey would also make a fine Defensive Coordinator. He understands the system and directly contributed to develop it into what it is today.
On replacing Tony Elliott... If Coach Elliott leaves for a Head Coaching position, then I can see no better person than Brandon Streeter. [After Rocco was named the head coach at Richmond in December 2011, Streeter joined Rocco's staff as the offensive coordinator and quarterback's coach. During his time as the Spiders offensive coordinator, the Spiders put up 28 points per game in 2011, 33 in 2012, and 31 in 2013.] If he can do that with the "Richmond Spiders" then imagine what he could do at Clemson with quality players.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: COACH MIKE REED and COACH BRANDON STREETER***
Dec 6, 2021, 5:58 AM
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Re: COACH MIKE REED and COACH BRANDON STREETER
Dec 7, 2021, 8:58 AM
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So Mickey and Mike can write plays? That’s great. We have the playbook. What is vital to this hire then is the art of calling a defense in game and making the proper adjustments throughout the game. I’m not inferring that either of these men are incapable of doing that. However, I do think that at the level Clemson is we need someone who has the experience and we should be able to get whoever we want.
As far as Streeter goes, he’s our passing game coordinator as well. Our passing game has been abysmal this year. Factor in the play calling from the bowl game and I would say that is a hard pass at this point.
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Re: Time To Take Up For Hiring From Within
Dec 7, 2021, 9:06 AM
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Inbreeding is OK but we are Clemson and our fans still deserve the best! Loyalty and careful picking will get us who we need...we are now about to enter the Dabo Zone...finding good ones is his specialty and he has done it well...when Venables was demoted at Oklahoma (still can't believe he went back with the smell of Stoops) Dabo had him in the blink of an eye...how do you think that just happened! The Clemson coin has stamped on it in Dabo we Trust! (He's not God)
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