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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
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Dec 1, 2022, 9:21 AM
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And it is right to say that. The sign on his door says Coach.
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So, you can’t see the QB play and play-calling
Dec 1, 2022, 9:22 AM
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That doesnt meet BEST IS THE STANDARD?
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Well that right there is a great example.
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Dec 1, 2022, 9:33 AM
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You can't have "great playcalling" when the QB can only execute a handful of them.
There's nothing wrong with the offensive scheme or the mind running it. We clearly have an execution issue.
Kind of what Dabo is saying.
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Agree, but we’re not trying anything different…***
Dec 1, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Freshman [-79]
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Actually we have. The playcalling has had to be adjusted to
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Dec 1, 2022, 10:21 AM
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suit the QBs limitations and constraints. We've parlayed that adjustment into 10-2 with a chance at 12-2. If we just let DJ drop back and sling it deep every play, or if we tried to rely on a more downfield passing game, then we would really be in bad shape right now.
We adjusted for more of a run-focused, short passing game. It's helped us to score enough to win most every game, and being honest we let one get away from us on Saturday. Not trying to crap on a player, but we could have won despite the 27.6% passing and turnovers. With even mediocre passing accuracy, say 50%, we aren't all arguing about this stuff today.
Bottom line is we have done something different. We've adjusted to give us the best chance to win.
There are no schemes or playcalls that can magically correct the downfield passing game, unfortunately.
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the playcalling was what lost vs south carolina....
Dec 1, 2022, 10:52 AM
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our BEST RB was averaging 8.8 yds per carry..........only got FIFTEEN CARRIES
our 2nd best RB was averaging 6 yds per carry.........got SEVEN carries
we were playing the 113th RUSH DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY
as you said, our QB WAS pretty awful, yet we chose to put the ball in the air TWENTY-NINE TIMES!!!! with absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE that we were going to consistently complete a pass.
the path to victory in this particular game was very simple..........RUN THE BALL!!
Dabo said it himself "I wish we would've run the ball more"............come on Stanley......get with it!
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No it wasn't, and Dabo didn't say anything
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:25 PM
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about playcalling being the reason we lost.
He cited several things - turnovers, dropped passes, and missed receivers. He NEVER said a lack of running the ball was the reason we lost and hence blame the playcalling.
We ran the ball effectively but we can't run every down either. When you're dealing with a 1st and 2nd or long you have to throw. If we run on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down and long plays and dont make it, then peanut-brained clowns like would be b!tching that we didnt pass enough. That, plus they stacked the box the entire 2nd half and forced us to break some tendencies trying to find holes.
The reason we lost was because 28% and turnovers, not playcalling.
You created that bogus out of context statement, whereas not even a knuckle-dragging chimp like you can deny teams don't normally win when they throw for less than 28% and then turn the ball over for added pain.
That's why we lost, pheeble. Execute a few more passes, then fake disgruntled fans like you are stuck in their quiet basement, like where you are most of the time.
Playcalling isn't the reason for offensive "struggles". That's the point.
Clueless clowns like you are exactly the type of losers Dabo was talking about.
Youre a fraud, and you're wrong, again. SSDD.
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ah....nay nay Stanley, just go back and read/watch/listen***
Dec 1, 2022, 12:54 PM
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Typical M.O. for you..
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Dec 1, 2022, 1:01 PM
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Ignore the facts and deflect.
Like I said, SSDD. You poor, fake disgruntled fan you.
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oooooo........Stan da man.......on fire
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Dec 1, 2022, 1:27 PM
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you little triggered fan you.
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Re: No it wasn't, and Dabo didn't say anything
Dec 2, 2022, 2:30 PM
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Gotta disagree a little. If you repeatedly call plays you can’t execute, that’s bad play calling.
Better to call plays you can execute. If your players can’t execute your plays they either lack ability or lack coaching. What other explanation is there?
Clemson recruiting classes do not lack ability unless the entire star rating system is bogus (and I’m starting to think it is). So either position coaches are failing, or we have really messed up play designs.
I think we got used to being bailed out by fantastic throws and even more fantastic circus catches of bad throws. Play calling and scheme almost didn’t matter, especially against ACC stiffs. We no longer have those guys for some reason, but we haven’t adjusted the offense to this different kind of kid.
Or I guess we can fall back on tired old excuses like guys not being “up for the game” or “coming out flat” or whatever. Well that would be a straight up HC issue, and I really don’t think it happens much at Clemson. It certainly NEVER happens against ND or USC, so those explanations have no merit at all.
You mention stacking the box. If we run well enough that a team feels forced to do that, it should be game over for a “wide receiver U” with 5 star QB’s two deep, shouldn’t it? Stacking the box is something to do when the other guy has a terrible passing game. Against a team with a decent passing game, it’s suicide.
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yep, it's just coach screech to hopefully rally the team
Dec 1, 2022, 9:40 AM
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in the 'us vs the world' that he does quite well. However, it won't stop until dju is gone IMO. I've never seen such a fragile and coddled qb. I agree we don't have a fricken clue as to why dju starts..........
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'Bewildering' I think adequately describes it***
Dec 1, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Pretty sure the staff told us why several times.
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:31 PM
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DJ and the adjusted offense give us the best chance to win.
Dabo wants to win every game, and he won't hesitate to sit a QB when it's needed and IF we have a better option behind him.
These guys watch every player in every practice. They'll always insert the best performers in the game.
When Cade is ready, he will get a shot to takeover. Period.
That's the answer.
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Yea, the problem is, there is just no way thats true
Dec 1, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Which is why this whole thing is so confounding. DJ isnt a major P5 D1 Qb. He just isnt. What the reason for that is, may be up for debate. But to suggest Cade, a full season into the system, still isnt able to produce better results than this fiasco is laughably absurd.
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Re: Well that right there is a great example.
Dec 1, 2022, 9:48 AM
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No, the play calling has been trash. Nobody knows what the heck Streeter was thinking last Saturday. And if you think he's suddenly going to light it up on Saturday, think again.
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Disagree.
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:28 PM
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Apparently you're one of those dudes who think magic playcalls can fix a broken QB?
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Apparently you think if you run crappy plays enough times
Dec 1, 2022, 2:13 PM
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they will eventually work. LOL Get real.
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it's all of the above!
Dec 1, 2022, 9:50 AM
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the playcalling sux
the QB performance has been subpar
the WRs performance have been subpar
EXECUTION SUCKS
guess what? the same was true in 2010
the playcalling sucked
the QB performance (WAS MUCH WORSE THAN 2022)
the WR performance sucked (that was WITH NUK)
EXECUTION SUCKED
Dabo made the OC change by firing his buddy a year removed from getting us to an ACCCG
SAME ON DEFENSE
2011 we went 10-2 first time winning 10 games in 2 decades
won the first ACC championship in in 2 decades
defensive execution SUCKED
defensive scheme SUCKED
Dabo FIRED our DC and went and got the BEST DC money could buy.........despite our accomplishments that year.
Dabo wasn't satisfied..........he was hungry...........THAT DABO needs to return!!
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Re: it's all of the above!
Dec 1, 2022, 10:13 AM
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That is precisely what is needed: what I call the "ruthless" Dabo.
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Poor pheeble
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Your rock is calling you back to come and crawl under.
Nobody will be fired because our primary issue isn't related to coaching. It's execution from the primary position on the field. Until that's fixed there are no magic schemes or playcalls that can fix the broken issue.
Poor pheebs. Dabo called you an idiot, and he's spot on. Back under your rock!
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you can do better than that Stanley***
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No need to try for me. Is that your best
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Dec 1, 2022, 1:04 PM
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rebuttal? I.e., nothing?
SSDD.
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Stanley, your failure to comprehend math a few weeks ago....
Dec 1, 2022, 1:25 PM
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told me everything I need to know about you. You've proven you can't comprehend much of anything, so instead of repeatedly spelling things out for you, I'll just sit a read your mindless drivel and middle school comebacks.............
continue, what more you got?
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Re: Poor pheeble
Dec 1, 2022, 1:22 PM
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Dear smarmy: your attitude, man. You are a bplug
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Re: Well that right there is a great example.
Dec 1, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Who is responsible for increasing the level of execution? I would say it’s a shared responsibility between players and coaches…but coaches are ultimately responsible. Either you recruited/evaluated poorly, or you coached poorly, or both.
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Were getting as much water out of the QB stone as possible.
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Can't fix a guys brain. You can teach mechanics, fundamentals, and when/where to throw the ball, and you can try to coach him mentally as well, but sometimes a guy can't be developed any further.
When is happens at the most important position on the field, then all the ancillary aspects are going to fall in line behind that lack of execution.
This is not a difficult concept. Fix the broken issue and EVERYTHING including the defense has a better chance to succeed.
It ALL starts ar QB. Just look around the landscape.. nobody has a great or elite team without a good QB running the show.
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And too, it's been covered many times
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Dec 1, 2022, 10:15 AM
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Best (in everything) is still the standard. Every coach and player is expected to give their very best. Being the very best team is the target, but sometimes you can be giving your best and you're still not the best in the country. That doesn't change the standard, i.e., target.
Best is the standard. We can't expect to always be the best in the country, but that doesn't mean everyone isn't giving their best.
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Re: And too, it's been covered many times
Dec 1, 2022, 10:53 AM
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Really? You have to be a coot or dawg troll.
“Best is the standard. We can’t always expect to be the best in the country, but that doesn’t mean that everyone isn’t giving their best.”
Pathetic
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Lol. You're confused.***
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Right. And the sign on my door says "Just win, baby."
Dec 1, 2022, 10:07 AM
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As does the Memo line on the substantial check I write each and every year to hold onto my increasingly expensive seats.
Man. Get with the times.
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Freshman [-79]
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Well, if your prerogative is to willingly donate, and
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:57 PM
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your personal stipulation is that the team must win every game, then good luck finding a program to donate to.
"You don't have a freakin' clue"
Take care.
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It's about accountability.
Dec 2, 2022, 3:18 PM
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And Dabo's apparent lack of it. Takes a pretty arrogant man to pop off the way he's been lately.
I dont care how hard or complex the situation is. Or whether I have a "freakin' clue." I care about seeing that orange paw in the top 4 every year.
Every.Single.Year.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Wonder if he gave the secretaries the opportunity to comment or ask questions. Since he's their boss, it probably wouldn't matter.
Maybe he should gather a random group of alumni, students, IPTAY supporters, T-Netters, and Facebook followers, and go over the game with them. I believe they would call him out on his bullshyatt about DJ, play calls, execution, accountability, etc. He definitely does not want to hear what I would have to say.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:23 AM
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No, this is about a process, one you can’t or don’t care to understand.
You’re just upset that Dabo won’t say what you want him to say. As Dabo correctly stated, you are a loud, vocal minority and nothing more.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Good.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:26 AM
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“Trust the Process!” And shut your mouth troll!
I am kidding, but that’s what us frustrated fans are told to do. We are pissed on and told it’s raining.
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you can always
Dec 1, 2022, 9:53 AM
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stop donating more to Clemson than 95% of us. stop going to every CFP game and most away games.
There are options. this isnt mother Canada where you are forced to watch hockey.
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Yes I can, but I’m not
Dec 1, 2022, 10:12 AM
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At least not yet…
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This is our HC's way of letting everyone in the building
Dec 1, 2022, 9:30 AM
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know that they are all in this together.
Put me in the not-pissed-off category.
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Re: This is our HC's way of letting everyone in the building
Dec 1, 2022, 9:35 AM
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Bingo. What a great way to do it too. Sending not only the message, but have every single person experience it together, stopping the tape, talking about each play together. Asking why.
They were ALL together when he did this. They were ALL-in when they left the room.
This is what real leadership in action looks like. When I saw this I was reminded all over again that we have a coach who has “The Right Stuff.”
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I didn't think he listened to "outsiders"?***
Dec 1, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:33 AM
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I agree bengaline® this does seem a bit ridiculous.
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Tatted, my point exactly
Dec 1, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Dabo is frustrated and saying things he probably shouldn’t.
That comment was not constructive at all…
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Re: Tatted, my point exactly
Dec 1, 2022, 10:15 AM
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Yes sir. I agree. To have the secretaries watch film is just ridiculous and uncalled for. I love Dabo and I have always supported him but if this is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not, it is idiotic and uncalled for.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:35 AM
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I saw when he said that and thought, 'that's probably a misstep'.
Now, in the main he's largely correct.
Most of the fans are likely judging the results and aren't really aware of all the minutiae that is involved in an offense going south like ours has.
But that's not ALL of the fans. And with modern day replays, some can and HAVE gone back through and are recognizing a lot of what's going wrong.
Eric MacLain, a former member of this offense, noted that he did just that on his podcast earlier this week. And yeah, he mentioned there's problems all over the place, (he actually gave the WRs a worse grade than DJ as I recall) but DJ? He bottom lined it and said he played bad. And his co-host noted that it's a drag on the defense to have to carry the load for an offense that's been underperforming for two years now.
So it's easy to say 'you guys don't know what you're talking about'... but it comes across as defensive when we see the product be so bad for so long, and sometimes it's just not true.
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I agree with everything you’re saying
Dec 1, 2022, 9:44 AM
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So why are we doing the same things and getting the same results?
Yeah, I know we are 10-2, but we easily should be 11-1, and…..
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Re: I agree with everything you’re saying
Dec 1, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Have you heard of the pygmalion effect? It's a phenomenon where you set high expectations for people and then through encouragement etc... they rise to meet them.
I think Dabo is, perhaps unconsciously, a big believer in this.
Call him the 'eternal optimist'.
He sees the best in all these kids and thinks 'if they just do a tiny bit more or different then we're good. I think that's part of it.
The other part is probably just brutal pragmatism. Up until last week we were in contention for the playoffs, and so let's try to keep the car running down the road rather than try an oil change while on the highway. DJ had played acceptable in most games (Syracuse and ND aside) this year. And SC didn't have a good defense, so no one really anticipated DJ going completely off the rails.
So now he's stuck; he believes in the kid but also still has an acc title on the line. And changing scheme/OC etc... is something you do in the offseason, not right now. So the only practical thing he could do is switch out his QB... but as said before, he believes in DJ and knows he's not the ONLY issue.
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That’s all fine and I’m ok with that approach
Dec 1, 2022, 10:09 AM
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Especially when 90% is going well.
But right now maybe 50% is going well and it begs some modification on the traditional “approach”
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I mean, its football, not brain surgery
Dec 1, 2022, 10:27 AM
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Stop pretending those of us watching the games dont know ### we are watching. Its completely ridiculous. Some of us have actually been around and/or played this game for most of our lives. We know what we see.
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I played football half my life.
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Dec 1, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Not that it really matters, but what any semi-knowledgable person can see the root cause issue is at the most important position on the field. Nothing can be fixed any further until that elephant is fixed.
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Re: I agree with everything you’re saying
Dec 1, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Bang on with pygmalion effect. Flip side to that coin is if you’re always blaming the WRs out for a poor passing game and they become the “dull rats” (figuratively ofc, re: rosenthal experiment), guess what happens to people’s expectations of the WRs. More dropped balls, fumbles, missed routes, etc. Recruiting / coaching are the major drivers for drop off from WRU, but it’s not helping showering the WRs (or secretaries) with blame and putting QB up on some pedestal.
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That begs the question thought
Dec 1, 2022, 11:57 AM
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And I agree, the WR's certainly shoulder their fair share of the issues here - HOWEVER, these dudes were all highly regarded prospects that lots of top tier schools wanted; so WHY are they ALL so ineffective? Coincidence that they were all misevaluated and ended up on Clemsons team? Youre going to have a tough tine convincing me of that reality.
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Re: That begs the question thought
Dec 1, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Exactly. If it’s one or two 4/5 star misses. Okay, maybe it is them. When it’s a trend across many highly rated players and almost all of them underachieve, they shouldn’t keep banging on these kids.
There’s a great story I remember hearing about Bill Parcells early days as a special teams coach. I’ll prob butcher the details but basic gist was his unit had a muffed or blocked FG and his head coach asked, what happened, I saw you guys practicing that all week. Parcells responded something to the effect, we didn’t practice it enough.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Agree on this tiger6. I get why CDS could be getting defensive, trying to set an example for the players to mentally block out all of the outside criticism for people who don’t have a clue. But if some of what he’s trying to convince the players of (DJ gives us the best chance to win) - if the players themselves don’t believe that, there’s plenty of downside in saying outsiders don’t have a clue. While former players and coaches don’t know everything going on in the locker room right now, it’s overly dismissive say they don’t have a clue.
I hope we win this Saturday. And I really hope we play well and win big. If we win a close one, limit turnovers and DJ goes 13-28 for 158 yards passing, 50 yards rushing there’s going to be this big, “see, see, clean up the turnovers and everything is fine” when the play on the field shows it’s largely the same scheme, with marginal improvements in execution. Maybe how we play shouldn’t matter at this point in the season. Just win. I had that thought last week too.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 10:39 AM
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What's the saying? Winning is the best deodorant?
Yeah, just win on Saturday and then you really have a month (give or take) to sort of get some things fixed.
Lose and you're staring at a 3 game losing streak, which is uh.... really not good.
If that's what it takes to shake things up then perhaps it would be a good thing, but that's a lesson I would rather we not need.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Exactly. The team losing in the ACC title game is not worth the start of some humbling / change crusade. No thanks. To your point, we shouldn’t need that. I’ll take some more deodorant if that’s what it takes. But it sure would be nice to watch us play a complete game on Saturday. Go Tigers!
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:42 AM
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I am with you.
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i'm feeling pretty ok....***
Dec 1, 2022, 9:43 AM
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Message was edited by: wildblulou®
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:46 AM
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He tends to forget that Clemson existed long before him, and will exist long after him as well.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:47 AM
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There is plenty of blame to go around and certainly all of it isn't on DJ, but going 8/29 for 99yds with one pass accounting for 59 yds is what it is.
13 yds passing in the second half is not stellar.
There is a large sample size on DJ now and his play is a problem. It is a huge problem for the defense and the rushing attack to overcome game after game.
Plenty of experienced analysts, former players and coaches can see there is a problem. If Cade is not ready, why is that so?
Is too much blame being heaped on DJ, absolutely. Do we have a major issue at QB? One would have to be clueless to not see that and acknowledge it.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 9:58 AM
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The girls in the office aren't going to fix it. He made to many "I believe in who you are" hires and now he's finding out who they are ain't football coaches.
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Thats rich coming from the same guy that has started DJ for 2 years now
Dec 1, 2022, 10:01 AM
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Coach really needs to invest in a mirror.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 10:11 AM
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I get the symbolism of what Dabo was trying to accomplish with the entire building having to watch the replay, but not sure the secretaries, janitors and admin staff appreciated this.
Is Dabo paying for the OT for these folks? Were staffers free to opt out?
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 11:05 AM
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I’m starting to think he really is losing it. Just a few years ago he was super popular all over the country. Now only Clemson fans like him at all, and he’s going out of his way to antagonize THEM. Crazy, but you can do it if you are independently wealthy. Clemson has made him independently wealthy.
Here is my theory. Deep down he got tired of hearing about how great his coordinators and QB’s were. Didn’t feel like he got enough credit. So he’s determined to show that he can win no matter who the QB or coordinators are. That does not conflict with best being the standard because he feels like he IS the best, so listening to anybody else violates “best is the standard”.
Football’s popularity is dropping with young people. When you sort of declare that you and your players are a special group above everybody else (ok to believe it but don’t say it) that drives a wedge that could make it worse, even at Clemson. It has happened before. Hope he mellows out, and I think he probably will after a really bad season. Of course it’s kinda hard to have a really bad season against the current ACC.
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Re: “Those on the outside don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 1, 2022, 11:33 AM
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Oh, brother.
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He's right...Not sure why that pisses you off.***
Dec 1, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Re: Did I miss the secretaries in a sideline scuffle
Dec 1, 2022, 1:14 PM
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Did Dabo later report that they (the admin assistants) had one of the greatest practices ever! Just more gaslighting from the conman youth pastor. Is any player on the team going to step up and take a leadership role? Shipley seems to have been told to bug-off - see comments after the greatest loss in 8-years.
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I hope those secretaries learned their lesson...Clearly
Dec 1, 2022, 1:35 PM
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their lack of attention to detail caused the coaches to take the ball out of our best offensive player's hands the final 15 minutes of the game
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