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Athletic Dir [862]
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Those in the "Don't Fire Dabo Crowd"...?
Dec 3, 2013, 10:37 AM
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How many games in a row do we have to lose to scar to change your mind? Let's say we keep winning 9 or 10 regular season games for years to come, but continue to lose to scar. Also, let's say we continue to bring in Top 10 - 20 recruiting classes. How many losses in a row will it take?
My view is that Saturday's turnover performance came at the most inopportune of times. A loss like that would not generally be pinned so much on the head coach if we had not lost to them 5 years in a row and had 15 turnovers combined in those games. Are we are getting better on the lines of scrimmage? Sure, and we played fine at those positions Saturday. Could we fire Dabo and upgrade to a better x's and o's coach that can recruit to Clemson well? Absolutely! Could we afford to lose out on some recruits and still beat South Carolina in the coming few years? Yep, but it would cause harm to the team in 3 to 4 years if we have another "dandy dozen" low number recruiting class.
One way or the other, we have to figure out a way to eliminate the turnovers and sloppy play in big games.
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Turnovers don't just magically appear, they happen because
Dec 3, 2013, 10:41 AM
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the other team is beating you and making them happen.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Not in our case. Our players are playing too tight and
Dec 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
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nervous to make a mistake...and that causes mistakes.
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That is complete nonsense.***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:49 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Except it isn't. The complete nonsense is your incredible
Dec 3, 2013, 10:52 AM
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pessimism when it comes to Clemson football. You're past a standard dumper and have hit a level of such dismay and melancholy that it's almost comical to watch you keep posting.
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Yes, it is. Having a WR throw the ball on a trick play is
Dec 3, 2013, 10:57 AM
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what caused our first turnover, not the players "being tight." SCAR stripping the ball and intercepting the ball caused 4 of the other turnovers. Only one turnover can really be said to be just pure chance, but in reality it was lack of concentration, which again is on the coaches.
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Re: Yes, it is. Having a WR throw the ball on a trick play is
Dec 3, 2013, 11:46 AM
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explain how in a game that "lack of concentration" is the coaches fault?
And if Watkins had put a little more air under the ball, you would be on here saying what a genius Chad was for catching USC napping.
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No, I wouldn't. I cringe whenever we run a trick play, and
Dec 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
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if it happens to work, by some miracle, then I say "whew that was dumb, glad we didn't turn the ball over."
"If Sammy had put more air under the ball" is a very moronic statement. How many times do you think Sammy practices deep passes, compared to say, oh I dunno, our actual quarterback?
You can't just draw a play up and completely disregard the risks and the probabilities of the situation, then blame the players when it ends in disaster. There's a reason dominant teams don't run many trick plays.
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they play as a reflection of their coach.........
Dec 3, 2013, 10:56 AM
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dabo gets scared/nervous when he plays spurrier
either that or he just doesn't care enough..........either way both are issues
I think it showed by running the double pass play
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Absolutely, can you fathom how much pressure Dabo is
Dec 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
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putting on his team to win the big game? That's called being a coach, they put pressure on you...our players can't seem to handle it and play nervous too much.
Chad Morris ran the double pass play, and it was good timing in the game to do it, it was just poorly executed...
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I agree. However, it was not needed. We should have just
Dec 3, 2013, 10:59 AM
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kept shoving it in.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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It was a calculated risk. I agree the way the offense was
Dec 3, 2013, 11:01 AM
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clicking we could've scored had we continued. But I cannot fault them for that play, it was well timed, if Sammy didn't float it, it was a walking into the endzone touchdown.
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The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:04 AM
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it was covered. The safety was on the left hash, when Sammy launched it.
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Re: The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Humphries was wide open.
Watkins threw it too high, which allowed the Safety to make the play.
That is coaching though. If a play like that works, then you create early momentum. HOWEVER, if it backfires; you do the same for a good team. (at home) Because of the risks involved, that play isn't smart IMO. (at least not at that point in the game) Many of the turnovers against FSU/USC were a lack of execution on the part of the players. However, the coaches are responsible for wins/losses. That play was a self inflicted wound IMO, (needlessly) and set the tone for the rest of the game.
I'm not against calling trick plays. However, I would prefer that they are called when we need them, not when you are driving and quieting a hostile crowd. If it fails, that just emboldens the crowd and creates momentum for the other team, and kills it for you...
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Re: The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:20 AM
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poor coaching + poor execution = loss
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Re: The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:24 AM
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of coarse if that play had worked, it would have been brilliant…
not worth the risk (in that situation) IMO.
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Re: The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:34 AM
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A lot of times, athletic contests are determined not by the most talented players/teams, but by the players/teams that make the fewest mistakes. (especially in college football, where the margin for error is so thin now)
Unfortunately, our coaching staff talks about our players executing and making fewer mistakes, but then opens a critical game with needlessly risky play calling.
not smart.
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Re: The timing was great. Somebody, on here, was claiming that
Dec 3, 2013, 11:53 AM
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I would disagree with you on one point. Wins and Losses are not always on the coaches. When I was at Clemson as a manager, the team slept in the little gym at Fike. We rotated sleeping with them at the door. All week we had excellent preparation, but on Friday night, the seniors playing their last game decided to party in gym all night. They were not ready to play and lost to a much worse USC team.
Note Grady Jarret's comments, "We were prepaired, worked hard all week, but when we got on the field we couldn't get it all together. Didn't get our best effort and that's not acceptable" Coaches can only do so much.
Like in the military -you can have the best battle plan imaginable, but sometimes when the enemy starts shooting back, the plans fall apart.
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Re: Turnovers don't just magically appear, they happen because
Dec 3, 2013, 11:12 AM
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You fumble because you're either too scared to carry the ball or you don't know how! Exception : when you're trying to field a punt and are assaulted by m. bryant.
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So who is the coach to beat Spurrier and the #####?
Dec 3, 2013, 10:44 AM
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Also what if we gamble again and the next coach has us not only losing 4-5 games but ALSO losing to SCar.
You have to admit it is a tough call.
Dabo has solved the Tommy Bowden problem. We would have also lost to NCState and BC this year at least. So we can legitimately say we are only losing to solid teams.
That goes a long way in my book.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Depends, if SCar is winning 10 or 11 games a season as
Dec 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
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well, then there's really nothing you can do about it. If they start sliding back down to their normality and we're still losing, then yes, there's a problem.
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Oculus Spirit [93575]
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It's relative.
Dec 3, 2013, 10:50 AM
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No doubt, were they in the cellar of the SEC it would be a different story. They aren't, and as much as I hate to admit it the SEC is still the best conference in the country.
Disregarding the fact that USuCk played one of the easiest SEC conference schedules they are still a top ten team.
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i don't think it's acceptable to lose to SCar JUST BECAUSE..
Dec 3, 2013, 10:53 AM
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they are "good"
ESPECIALLY since we're "supposedly" the best we've been in decades as well.
the "south carolina is good" defense/argument holds no water when we're "good" also
UNLESS we're perceived much better than we are b/c of the conference we play in??...???..........that's debatable AND is an issue if true.
that's why i don't hold our 10-2 record in high regard like most when we're losing the 2 most important games of the year.
we beat 1 ACC team w/ an above .500 record in the conference..........and 2 of those ACC teams had zero ACC wins
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You don't play football games in a vacuum and
Dec 3, 2013, 10:52 AM
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the "quick fix" (if you can even call it that...) isn't ever the answer in CFB.
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10 wins is great. Losing to two really good teams is OK...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:13 AM
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You are too young or ignorant to remember how bad it can get and how quickly it can get really bad! Enjoy the success of this program and quit acting like such a spoiled brat!
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Re: Those in the "Don't Fire Dabo Crowd"...?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:14 AM
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What's the common denominator in the 5 straight losses to usuc? DABO!
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