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Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:29 PM
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Tired of the vs all the old coaches at Clemson. It makes no sense and it's stupid to try to say the old ACC and so on. If you want to judge him then judge him against the other ACC schools from 2010 to the present. With that said maybe get to the REAL reason why CLEMSON doesn't win enough for most of the haters on this board. Stop blaming the Coach and start looking at the whole picture and see what is really going on.
Breakdown: ACC regular season Champs since 2010: Since Brad has been the coach the ACC has been dominated by 3 schools: NC, Duke and Virginia. During this time ONLY 2 other teams were the regular season champs. 2012- 13 Miami and 2019-20 Florida State. 3 coaches have dominated during these times: Tony Bennett Virginia, Roy Williams NC and Coach K at Duke.
FOLLOW THE MONEY
One of the lame excuses is saying Brad got all he asked for with major upgrades to the facilities and so on. That is actually misleading. Those upgrades were done because it had to be done and if Brad wasn't here they still would have been done. Those upgrades were actually just acceptable and the amount of money that Clemson spends vs the rest of the ACC is the lowest minus 2 schools below them.
As far as basketball programs and the spending, Clemson is overall 58th in the nation as of 2020.
58 Clemson ACC 8,229,736 annually.
There are only 2 schools in the ACC that spend less than Clemson and they are
77 Georgia Tech ACC 7,095,493
79 Boston College ACC 6,872,835
Here is the overall spending breakdown for the ACC: Follow the money
1 Duke 22,178,473
3 Louisville 19,180,078
4 Florida St. 16,773,013
9 Syracuse 14,845,555
13 Virginia 13,400,721
19 UNC 11,204,115
21 Pitt 11,013,283
32 NC State 10,295,048
49 Miami FL 8,895,333
50 Wake Forest 8,805,630
54 Virginia Tech 8,525,606
56 Notre Dame 8,331,273
58 Clemson 8,229,736
77 Georgia Tech 7,095,493
79 Boston College 6,872,835
So how can't you see a direct relationship with the amount of money spent vs ACC titles or overall ACC rankings?
You want more wins for the program, you want more consistency for Clemson and you want more March Madness for Clemson well it looks like it's going to take more $$. Yes the amount of spending is in direct relationship with the success of the schools in the ACC.
If you have an issue hearing the truth from a Brad Brownell fan and now a fan of Clemson who doesn't even live in SC or even near SC then why not hear it from a non bias sports writer listed below.
What are Realistic Expectations for Clemson Hoops Program?
https://www.si.com/college/clemson/baseball/what-are-realistic-expectations-for-clemson-hoops-program
Microphone drop. OUT.
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Hello Ms. Keller. That's it, let it out.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:33 PM
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Two top-40 finishes in 12 years outweighs everything you said there. Same ol, same ol.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:33 PM
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Depends on how low you set the bar.
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Re: Why do you avoid the facts? Read the SI story and be
Dec 17, 2022, 9:36 PM
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Realistic, I can see that's not a quality with the majority on this board. REALISTIC. Learn what it means, I can tell you lack the education to understand that word.
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Freshman [-79]
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So, Ms. Keller, as far as realistic to say...
Dec 17, 2022, 9:42 PM
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We've averaged around a mid-70's ranking for 12 years, and part of that is finishing in the top 40, twice... ever.
That, and oddly enough Coach Brownell is making the 38th highest salary in America.
Those two things together speak louder than everything you said, combined.
Take care, Judge. By the way, are you drunk? Seems you might be a little tipsy to say the least, you know what I'm sayin'?
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Re: So, Ms. Keller, as far as realistic to say...
Dec 17, 2022, 10:10 PM
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What is so funny about this is you actually think that I'm Keller? It's amazing that you actually believe this? I could have replied with a sure thing NCTIGS but I'm going to follow the advice of another person you call Ms. Keller and refrain from that stupidity.
Here is a thought, you might want to stop running your mouth and try to understand you could look up our ip address and see we are different people. I know it's above your education level.
Here is a link to help you. https://www.cloudwards.net/how-to-trace-an-ip-address/
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Child's play, Ms. Keller.***
Dec 17, 2022, 10:16 PM
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Re: Child's play, Ms. Keller.***
Dec 19, 2022, 10:40 AM
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You sir, are a giant dumbarse.
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Re: This team is fun to watch. I expect a deep run in the Tournament. ***
Dec 19, 2022, 8:25 AM
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You think we will get invited to the NIT?
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Why you don’t understand the point of being a sports fan:
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Dec 17, 2022, 9:34 PM
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If I have to read through stats and articles to convince myself that it’s fun to be a Clemson basketball fan…. then it’s not worth it.
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Re: You don't have to do a thing:
Dec 17, 2022, 9:38 PM
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No one forces you to do it. I can't make you do a thing but if you chose to cry because you read it and then say some lame excuse who's that fall on? YOU.
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I would reply…but…
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Dec 17, 2022, 9:44 PM
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You need to type a message that is just a bit more coherent.
Thanks
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I do believe Ms. Keller has been hitting the sauce.***
Dec 17, 2022, 9:48 PM
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Re: You don't have to do a thing:
Dec 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Have you known anyone on here to cry? How would you know if they did. That’s just a false degrading remark like ‘lame excuse’ used to belittle an opposing view. Seems to be a little um-m LAME.
If Brownell moved the needle the money would follow. That’s what Dabo did.
By the way, that was a very well written article.
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This notion that Dabo proved himself and won big before big investments were made is BS.
Dec 18, 2022, 12:02 AM
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First of all, we were fresh off the new West End Zone being constructed when Dabo was hired.
Second, Kevin Steele was hired in 2009 right after Dabo became permanent head coach. That was a huge hire. Steele was Alabama’s DC and had also coached in the NFL. We gave him a big contract. Dabo was 4-3 as interim and hadn’t proven much of anything yet.
Third, we didn’t do much better the next couple of years (Steele’s first two years). We were 15-12 Dabo’s first two full years as HC, not much better than Bowden’s tenure. Still no ACC title or BCS bowl, the two main goals we had at that time. In 2010, we even had our first losing season in over a decade.
Also in 2010, we announced that a new indoor practice facility would be constructed. Again, what had Dabo proven at this point to justify this huge investment in the football program?
Then we went out and hired an innovative OC in Chad Morris in 2011. This required another increase in the football budget. Again, what had Dabo proven by then to justify this increased expenditure? He was 19-15 at that point and hadn’t done much.
Thankfully, that Morris hire transformed the program. We became tougher and more consistent. And we won our first ACC championship in two decades and went to our first ever BCS bowl.
Was that success the result of Clemson spending more on football? Absolutely.
Were these many millions of dollars we added to the football budget a result of Dabo proving he was worth the investment? Nope.
The investment occurred because Clemson cares about football and knew that we needed to invest in the program to see increased success. And that was correct. The rest is history.
Stop with this revisionist history. It’s ridiculous.
If we invest more in basketball, it will be more successful too.
Bookmark my post, because I’m sure this crap will be posted again in the future.
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Re: This notion that Dabo proved himself and won big before big investments were made is BS.
Dec 18, 2022, 12:56 AM
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Wait is this me? No it's Jude Keller. I'm Ms Keller right?
Excellent points but the issue here is the majority of people here chose to avoid facts
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Are you trying to steal the
Dec 18, 2022, 2:03 PM
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IMA LUNATIC Trophy from bloodbeorange? Good start.. long way to go though.
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You’re doing some revisionist history yourself
Dec 18, 2022, 5:05 AM
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Didn’t Dabo win the ACC championship his third season? That hadn’t been done since 1991. So he won pretty quickly with the talent already on the team.
New coaches typically get about 5 years. Well back then they did. The game has radically changed since Dabo was hired. And we kept Tommy Bowden for nine years despite the fact that it was obvious halfway through his third season that Rich Rodriguez was the secret to his success the first two seasons.
Chad Morris? This is where you really ran off the rails. Everybody thought Dabo was insane for hiring Chad Morris because he was a high school football coach! He wasn’t Mike Leach or some innovative coordinator already in college football. Now we see more of these Texas high school coaches being hired. But it was a huge gamble and extremely controversial when Dabo did it.
And you could be a big name, but not necessarily be a great hire. Kevin Steele has had a very up-and-down career and has been either hot or cold at various times. And that was Dabo and the Alabama connection.
And if you remember, they barely paid Dabo when they first hired him, because no one thought he would be successful. I know the revisionist historians love to claim they knew exactly what Dabo was going to do, but everyone knows that is a lie. Clemson did not want a super successful football program at that time. Yes, they spent some money but that was to keep people donating and coming to games because they wanted the revenues. But they weren’t exactly going out of their way to spend anywhere near that type of money they are today.
So you’re doing quite a bit of your own revisionist history.
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No revisionist history on my part.
Dec 18, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Dabo won his first ACC title in 2011. That was arguably his first real taste of success here.
Prior to that season, he was just 19-15 overall, and had already had the following investments made during his tenure:
-High profile DC Kevin Steele hired away from Alabama
-Indoor practice facility announced
-Chad Morris hired as OC
Each of these were notable investments by our AD before Dabo had accomplished anything of note as our head coach.
As you can see, the notion that Dabo proved himself before we provided substantial investments in the program is incorrect.
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Purnell absolutely could’ve benefited from better facilities.
Dec 18, 2022, 9:25 PM
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We had finished our renovation of LJ shortly before he was hired, but it was a cheap renovation as is customary for Clemson basketball.
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Re: Purnell absolutely could’ve benefited from better facilities.
Dec 18, 2022, 9:37 PM
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^100% it hurt Purnell, it hurt Brownell. Even if you think Brownell should have been fired about 8 years ago, like me.
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Re: This notion that Dabo proved himself and won big before big investments were made is BS.
Dec 19, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Judge, over 82,000 people go to our football games. And those people like me, spend a lot on IPTAY just to get parking for football games. If we are lucky enough to get 8,000 at a basketball game we have had a good day. Do the math. 10 times as many people go to football games as basketball games. Where does the majority of the money come into the athletic program? Mic drop.
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Re: This notion that Dabo proved himself and won big before big investments were made is BS.
Dec 20, 2022, 10:40 AM
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That's why she hates football fans so much. She's not really anti-Dabo - she's just a Tater Hater - angry at the throngs that are into football but not basketball, so anything that negatively affects our football fans peace of mind - she will pounce on and run with.
If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. JK is a classic example of that.
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Re: That's great, but it seems that you're missing the point.
Dec 20, 2022, 4:10 PM
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LOL. I love Clemson. And recognize its basketball program
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Dec 17, 2022, 9:42 PM
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is overdue for new leadership.
The worst thing that could happen is Brownell wins just barely enough to keep his job…again.
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We know he needs to make the tourney, but I wonder
Dec 17, 2022, 9:46 PM
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if he's gotta win two?
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Re: LOL. I love Clemson. And recognize its basketball program
Dec 18, 2022, 9:24 PM
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For the last 8-9 seasons the people that actually care about Clemson basketball is shrinking. This is a problem, obviously. Throwing money at stripper you aren’t even attracted to is just dumb, but here we are…great effort…you were slightly better than I though you’d be…
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Re: Yeah but we're upper half of the ACC.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:48 PM
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I was going to go to town on this reply but I will be nice.
You said, Yeah but we're upper half of the ACC? Please explain what you mean by this.
How bout them apples? You're apples really make no sense at all. What's your education level?
Why do you hate Brad so much? Is this an attempt at being funny? It's not.
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Mrs. B, you do realize it's the NCAA's or bust, right?
Dec 17, 2022, 9:51 PM
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Once you admit that, then we can talk about whatever you want... since you have me on ignore with your Fudge Smeller handle.
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Re: Mrs. B, you do realize it's the NCAA's or bust, right?
Dec 18, 2022, 1:06 AM
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Once you admit that, then we can talk about whatever you want... since you have me on ignore with your Fudge Smeller handle.
Is it? And is this written in stone by whom? I didn't know you were in charge of Brad getting the boot. I should bow down to you Mr. Almighty. Wait a minute that's right you are the fool that thinks I am someone else. You must be a Gamecock fan because Clemson fans can't be this stupid right? I know you are not a Clemson fan since you root for them to lose so you can get a new coach. Yea real smart.
Also there are some people that think Brad's job is safe even if he doesn't make the big dance.
https://www.coachesdatabase.com/college-basketball-hot-seat-report/
Can you remind me who I am again please I forgot. Last I checked All AllOrange247365 was a Syracuse fan Go Orangemen!
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So that's it, Fudge Smeller? That's your "rebuttal"??
Dec 18, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Some obscure website that didn't care enough about Clemson basketball to even mention us?
Your husband doesn't make the tournament, YET AGAIN, and he's toast.
You're being delusional again, Ms. Smeller. Let me know if you'd like to place a friendly wager, Fudge.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:36 PM
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So we are within 600k of Miami and they have a regular season and tournament ACC title in the last ten years while reaching the elite 8 last year. Gotcha
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Re:Yes Miami has 1.***
Dec 17, 2022, 9:38 PM
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Re:Yes Miami has 1.***
Dec 17, 2022, 9:39 PM
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They have 3 things we don't. Regular season title, tournament title and elite 8. Your point isnt really valid. It can be done in our range
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Re:Yes Miami has 1.***
Dec 17, 2022, 9:53 PM
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They have 3 things we don't. Regular season title, tournament title and elite 8. Your point isnt really valid. It can be done in our range
Clemson was in the Elite 8 in 1980. Lost to UCLA.
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Re:Yes Miami has 1.***
Dec 17, 2022, 10:08 PM
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I said in the last 10 years
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:44 PM
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We definitely need a fresh face at the helm to start getting people excited about basketball again. I’m sure it would be easier to justify investing more if people actually cared.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Clemson defied expectations. Picked to finish in the bottom half of the ACC, this team of a couple of veterans and a ton of youth earned a fifth-place finish in the conference and made the NCAA tournament for the second time in four years.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:59 PM
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There’s nothing earth-shattering about that. Out performing preseason expectations is meaningless.
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Re: NCAA tournament for the second time in four years.***
Dec 17, 2022, 10:12 PM
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Re: NCAA tournament for the second time in four years.***
Dec 17, 2022, 10:19 PM
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His immediate predecessor went to 3 straight with the same bemoaned facilities and support.
We need to find the right guy and give him the support. So, we don’t lose him again like we did with Barnes and Purnell.
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Yes, his predecessor made it three straight years
Dec 18, 2022, 3:26 PM
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and lost all three times in the first round, to a lower seed at that.
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Re: Yes, his predecessor made it three straight years
Dec 18, 2022, 9:10 PM
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He got there consistently. Brad has not. Can’t win it if you don’t make it.
He’s the one that dug us out of the Shyatt hole. We have regressed since then.
Also, FWIW, Brad advanced no further than Purnell until year 8. That was after the facility upgrades. Year 1 was a play-in game…
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This is all a bunch of crap!
Dec 17, 2022, 9:45 PM
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Fact: the ACC was significantly harder in the 70s and 80s even the 90s than today and Clemson was more successful then.
Fact: despite being a charter member of the ACC, Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech, all football schools, have been better in basketball since joining the ACC than Clemson.
Fact: Brad Brownell has had better facilities and more support in many ways than any coach in Clemson basketball history. Plus, Clemson is more high profile now as a school and athletic program that ever thanks to football.
Brad Brownell has been absolutely terrible. Anyone that doesn’t see that has their head up their butt or in the sand. The only basketball coach going back as far as the 60s that has been worse than Brad Brownell is Larry Shyatt.
As a Clemson graduate, I would love to see us be good in basketball. But more than anything I would like some honesty and transparency out of the athletic department. Jim Barker said for years that he supported athletics, but that was absolute BS because Clemson athletics were the worst pretty much in history under his administration. I would much rather them tell me that we don’t care about basketball than to keep insulting my intelligence and pretending and putting this BS on the court!
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Re: This is all a bunch of crap! NO you are crap
Dec 17, 2022, 9:52 PM
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The past has nothing to do with today. It's pathetic to talk about the past. If you want to go there we can but it has nothing to do with today. Coach vs Coach winning percentages in ACC games. Brad has the highest percentage. Microphone drop
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Kurt Rambis, where have you been???
Dec 17, 2022, 9:58 PM
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The past has nothing to do with today. It's pathetic to talk about the past. If you want to go there we can but it has nothing to do with today. Coach vs Coach winning percentages in ACC games. Brad has the highest percentage. Microphone drop
Don’t you have a Drag Concert to promote tonight? As the Poster mentioned above, the ACC was far superior and tougher in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. You are either too young -or- too ignorant to comprehend this!
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Re: Kurt Rambis, where have you been???
Dec 18, 2022, 1:13 AM
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The past has nothing to do with today. It's pathetic to talk about the past. If you want to go there we can but it has nothing to do with today. Coach vs Coach winning percentages in ACC games. Brad has the highest percentage. Microphone drop Don’t you have a Drag Concert to promote tonight? As the Poster mentioned above, the ACC was far superior and tougher in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. You are either too young -or- too ignorant to comprehend this!
I didn't know the poster above was your God? Pretty pathetic on your part. You know what else is pathetic? You making assumptions about me being to young and so on. News Flash the past doesn't matter what don't you understand about that. You are doing the apples to oranges. It doesn't matter that the ACC was a way. What matters is today. Stop being an idiot and understand that you keep proving you lack intelligence because those coaches and teams are not playing now are they? NO wake up and understand you are living in the past. You know when we didn't have remotes for the TV and it was black and white and on Sunday was Laurence Welk and He Haw. Hows that for being too young. But what do you know you just assume ####. BTW what's up with Kurt Rambis? My user name isn't about him it's about my dog named Rambis. Again you assume something. Foolish just like the using the past as a debate point.
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Re: Kurt Rambis, where have you been???
Dec 18, 2022, 1:21 AM
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Don’t you have a Drag Concert to promote tonight?
So please explain what you meant by this? What's your point? Are you homophobic? There is no reason to ask me if I have a drag concert to promote tonight is there? As far as a drag concert I have never heard of the term drag concert, did you just make that up now? It's called a drag show and the answer is No I am not promoting a drag show tonight. But I have promoted Drag shows and gay events in the past at which I have no issues with that. You see I don't have an issue with promoting for the drag community but you seem to have some issue with it and I'm just wondering why you attempted to be funny by saying it but all it did was out you as being homophobic. Real Smart there svaughan. You are a gamecock fan right?
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Re: This is all a bunch of crap! NO you are crap
Dec 17, 2022, 10:44 PM
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Please stop dropping the microphone ? We NEED a new coach 5 years ago. This cat is dull and doesn’t bring any excitement to our program.
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No. You don’t know what it means.
Dec 18, 2022, 5:11 AM
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It’s not a mic drop because someone claims it is. This idiot, like you typically do, is talking out of his ###. You know like you argue politics. Ad hominem attacks but nothing actually proving anyone wrong because you know you are the one that is (always) wrong.
A mic drop is when you slam dunk someone with facts and data that they cannot refute. He hasn’t posted one statistic to support his position because it’s an unsupportable position.
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You are literally insane or astoundingly dumb
Dec 18, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Brad Brownell has sucked while he has been at Clemson and you think he has a great winning percentage?
In the ACC he is 104–111 or .484
You think that’s the best winning percentage by any head coach in the ACC during the same timeframe?
He has finished in the ACC as follows:
4, 7, 11, 6, 9, 7, 12, 3, 8, 9, 5, 10
Surely you are not saying that’s the best record in the ACC during the past 12 years?
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Re: You are literally insane or astoundingly dumb
Dec 18, 2022, 1:39 AM
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Did I say he has a great winning percentage? No but he has the best winning percentage in ACC games vs all Clemson Coaches.
You see this is my point. To all the Brad hatters you use manipulation of facts or words.
1. You avoid facts that go against your hate for Brad
2. You try to change what someone says to paint a different picture than the truth.
What's so stupid is how most go about this. It's just pathetic.
Now there are some people who have come on here with valid reason why they want Brad to be gone and I really don't have anything to say about that. Some people say his style of basketball is boring and I get that and it's a valid point if the team isn't winning, I get that and I agree with it but that's only an opinion but yes I can agree with it.
What I don't agree with is the straight up garbage you accuse me of saying. I said Coach vs Coach winning percentages in ACC games. Brad has the highest percentage. That's Coach vs Coach of Clemson. If you don't understand the poster keeps trying to bring up past Clemson coaches so put his record vs all the past coaches. Might want to read a bit more than assume something. So yes I put that up against all the past coaches and for all that say he hasn't won the ACC last I remember neither has ANY CLEMSON COACH.
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OMG!!
Dec 18, 2022, 5:23 AM
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You cherry picked a statistic that is completely meaningless, worthless, and once put into context …. irrelevant
Anyone can cherry pick statistics, but once put into a bigger picture they look stupid, which is the way you look.
He probably does have a better ACC winning percentage than any Clemson coach. Brad Brownell has had the advantage of coaching more ACC games in a bigger, weaker conference than any other Clemson basketball coach. This is like people thinking us winning 10 games every year in football is some amazing statistic when you can now play 15 games in a season versus 12.
Winning percentage in conference has nothing to do with actual success. Again look at his overall winning percentage. Look at where he has finished in the conference compared to other Clemson coaches. Look at the pros he has put into the NBA, or rather lack there of compared to other Clemson coaches. Look at his complete lack of success in the NCAA tournament, compared to other Clemson coaches, which like the ACC is easier than ever with 65 teams rather than 32 in the past.
Again, by every measure of actual success, only Larry Shyatt is a worse Clemson basketball coach going back to the 50s than Brad Brownell.
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Re: This is all a bunch of crap!
Dec 17, 2022, 9:53 PM
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FSU has won 3 games this year. Isn’t Brownell the first coach to get us to a sweet 16 since Rick Barnes?
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Re: This is all a bunch of crap!
Dec 17, 2022, 10:00 PM
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Brad Brownell has been absolutely terrible. Anyone that doesn’t see that has their head up their butt or in the sand. The only basketball coach going back as far as the 60s that has been worse than Brad Brownell is Larry Shyatt.
As a Clemson graduate, I would love to see us be good in basketball. But more than anything I would like some honesty and transparency out of the athletic department. Jim Barker said for years that he supported athletics, but that was absolute BS because Clemson athletics were the worst pretty much in history under his administration. I would much rather them tell me that we don’t care about basketball than to keep insulting my intelligence and pretending and putting this BS on the court!
Well you actually lack the intelligence or you just avoid facts either way you are wrong.
Clemson defied expectations. Picked to finish in the bottom half of the ACC, this team of a couple of veterans and a ton of youth earned a fifth-place finish in the conference and made the NCAA tournament for the second time in four years.
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Dude, you’re fighting a losing battle
Dec 17, 2022, 9:50 PM
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The product is crap, quit making excuses…
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"Read it, LEARN IT Know it"?
Dec 17, 2022, 10:13 PM
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You said exactly the same phrase last week, but you were posting as Judge Keller. Funny how that came about.
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Re: "Read it, LEARN IT Know it"?
Dec 18, 2022, 1:44 AM
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You said exactly the same phrase last week, but you were posting as Judge Keller. Funny how that came about.
Really I would like for you to post a link to what you say I said as judge Keller. Here he is again folks Mr. SU the Orangeman fan running his mouth about nothing. Making up stories.
So how long have you been a Jim Boeheim fan? You know he's been coaching the Orangeman since 1976. I don't have to tell you that I know you know this since you are AllOrange247365... Go Orangeman right on.
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Re: Dude, you’re fighting a losing battle NO you chose
Dec 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
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So if I am understanding this correctly we are as good as we will ever be with the current monies spent on our program.
Let’s revisit this come tourney time and find out how much the teams that do make it invest in their programs.
We are not a basketball school because we have never had any real success. We all want a better basketball team and after 12 plus years just feel new blood may excite the fan base. I’m a die hard Clemson guy but have come to expect mediocrity in basketball unfortunately. Will not stop me from pulling like heck for them.
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Re: Dude, you’re fighting a losing battle NO you chose
Dec 17, 2022, 10:42 PM
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So if I am understanding this correctly we are as good as we will ever be with the current monies spent on our program.
Let’s revisit this come tourney time and find out how much the teams that do make it invest in their programs.
We are not a basketball school because we have never had any real success. We all want a better basketball team and after 12 plus years just feel new blood may excite the fan base. I’m a die hard Clemson guy but have come to expect mediocrity in basketball unfortunately. Will not stop me from pulling like heck for them.
I'm saying look at the successful programs and the amounts of money they have spent. If you follow the money vs records then what? Clemson plays better than the money spent. There are exceptions that happen for sure. I'm glad you are pulling for Clemson and that's the point, If you are a fan we should root for the team to win.
The problem is there are many who are rooting for them to lose because they don't like the coach. Not very fan like is it? Not saying you since you are rooting for them.
I became a Clemson fan because of Brad. I am a UNCW grad and I have followed him since those days. If Brad is let go by Clemson I can honestly say that I will still be a Clemson fan and I will always root for them to win except if they play UNCW. So the issue is the fake fan who has objectives and hopes they lose, they root for them to lose. They lose the big picture, it's not about Brad it's about Clemson and winning.
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If you’re going to do that, please look for programs that spend what we do
Dec 18, 2022, 1:25 AM
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or less than we do and make the NCAA Tournament CONSISTENTLY.
Because that’s ultimately what it is about for some of you. You think we should be in the tournament every year or almost every year despite our low level of investment in the program.
Brad has shown he can make the Big Dance. In fact, he’s done it twice in the last four NCAA Tournaments.
So find us the high major teams who spend no more than we do on their program, and let us know how successful they are. I predict that your list will be extremely short.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Lame.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:16 PM
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Lame.
YAWN
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:29 PM
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Meh
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:34 PM
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Meh
I get it, You are a little smarter than some of these people who use emotions vs facts. Good for you. meh
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Another Brad Brown noser .
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:32 PM
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Another Brad Brown noser .
Another Brad hater who avoids facts. What's next Ms Keller call out? IP Address look up for all those MS Keller comments. But yea that goes against your objective.
Just like facts go against your objectives as well.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:21 PM
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If the data you have provided is accurate and the criteria is to "follow the money", the Louisville, Florida State and Syracuse coaches should be fired right away.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:31 PM
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If the data you have provided is accurate and the criteria is to "follow the money", the Louisville, Florida State and Syracuse coaches should be fired right away.
Maybe, It depends on many issues but I agree with you about Louisville except they already got rid of their coach. As far as SU goes that's a difficult one since Jim Boeheim has been there since the 70's. Florida State did win one ACC season so maybe they don't fit. It's all up to the people in charge.
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I don’t dislike Brownell and don’t hope he
Dec 17, 2022, 10:52 PM
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loses so we get another coach. I just think he’s boring and doesn’t bring excitement and energy to our program that is much needed. You gain interest by winning and having an exciting, upbeat coach. We need to see that and likely the AD does too before a lot more money is invested in our program.
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Re: I don’t dislike Brownell and don’t hope he
Dec 18, 2022, 1:50 AM
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loses so we get another coach. I just think he’s boring and doesn’t bring excitement and energy to our program that is much needed. You gain interest by winning and having an exciting, upbeat coach. We need to see that and likely the AD does too before a lot more money is invested in our program.
This is the type of answer I can say I have nothing to say about it. It's an opinion that doesn't try to use some weak excuse as him vs all past Clemson coaches. You think he's boring and he doesn't bring the type of energy to the program that is needed to gain more interest in the program. I can accept that without any debate. It's a valid opinion.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 10:53 PM
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Although I think Brad Brownell's salary is commensurate with his abilities as a coach I do agree not enough money is being spent on the basketball program.
How to spend any extra money allotted is beyond me but I suspect the increase necessary to get the results most of our fanbase would be happy with would put us in the top 15 of the list you posted.
Can Clemson afford that? Maybe. Would it be worthwhile to the administration? Probably not or they would've already done it.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 17, 2022, 11:24 PM
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So if you’ll take a break from calling everybody else stupid, let me ask you a question. So what you’re saying is if we spend $667,000 per year more on our basketball program, we will then be the 47th best team, regardless of the coach?, Which means we should make the NCAA tournament every year, is this what you’re saying? You’re also saying it’s not possible for Brad Brownell the coach above his station at all? He’s the 38th highest paid head coach in the nation, so he should he make the NCAA tournament every year based on his salary? This is basically what you’re saying
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 18, 2022, 1:59 AM
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So if you’ll take a break from calling everybody else stupid, let me ask you a question. So what you’re saying is if we spend $667,000 per year more on our basketball program, we will then be the 47th best team, regardless of the coach?, Which means we should make the NCAA tournament every year, is this what you’re saying? You’re also saying it’s not possible for Brad Brownell the coach above his station at all? He’s the 38th highest paid head coach in the nation, so he should he make the NCAA tournament every year based on his salary? This is basically what you’re saying
Nice try but me calling someone stupid is in response to insults or ignorant comments. If you don't want to hear it than maybe the ignorant replies should just stop. If someone wants to post insults no issue here just don't leave yourself open for the same back at you. Now you asked a question without insults and here is an answer without insults.
I am not saying anything you stated above. What I am saying is if you look at the numbers and then look at the records of the teams, the teams that are winning are the ones that are spending larger amounts of money than Clemson. There are 2 teams that spend less than Clemson in the ACC. By the numbers Clemson is getting solid play from the BB team. His salary isn't relevant here. He could be the highest salary or the lowest salary it's not about his salary it's about the overall amount of money put into the basketball program. Providing the most money doesn't guarantee you will win all the time but it's proven to have a major influence on the success of the programs. The top spenders in the ACC are usually in the top as far as winning percentages go. Simple math, simple formula.
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LOL, drops mic and kicks it into the Reedy river.***
Dec 17, 2022, 11:46 PM
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Re: LOL, drops mic and kicks it into the Reedy river.***
Dec 18, 2022, 2:27 AM
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I don't know about the Reedy river, I don't live in SC in fact I live nowhere near there. I have no clue about the Reedy river so much so it could be in another state and I wouldn't know. So what's the point?
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If you are happy with Clemson basketball as it has been for
Dec 18, 2022, 12:09 AM
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the last 12-13 years, then keep Brownell, and change nothing. If you are not satisfied with Clemson basketball over that span, then changes need to be made, and even if it isn't all Brownell's fault, a new head coach must be part of that change, that new direction. I am all for pumping more money into the program, but to think that a new coach would not be part of any such change is downright comical.
It's really that simple. I really like coach Brownell, and I think he's a good coach. I'm not a hater at all, but I'm a realist, and barring a tournament run this year, his time a Clemson is done. A new coach, without an increase in the basketball budget, may not produce better results ... but it may. It's also reasonable to assume that keeping the same coach may lead to results similar to past results under that same coach. Therefore, a new coach is a reasonable, sensible move at this point, if we want better results. And yes, again, more $$$ is welcome too.
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Re: If you are happy with Clemson basketball as it has been for
Dec 18, 2022, 2:06 AM
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the last 12-13 years, then keep Brownell, and change nothing. If you are not satisfied with Clemson basketball over that span, then changes need to be made, and even if it isn't all Brownell's fault, a new head coach must be part of that change, that new direction. I am all for pumping more money into the program, but to think that a new coach would not be part of any such change is downright comical.
It's really that simple. I really like coach Brownell, and I think he's a good coach. I'm not a hater at all, but I'm a realist, and barring a tournament run this year, his time a Clemson is done. A new coach, without an increase in the basketball budget, may not produce better results ... but it may. It's also reasonable to assume that keeping the same coach may lead to results similar to past results under that same coach. Therefore, a new coach is a reasonable, sensible move at this point, if we want better results. And yes, again, more $$$ is welcome too.
Great reply I get your feelings. I agree with you about the last 12 to 13 years as well. The last 4 or 5 years I would say different. 2 trips to the tournament, 1 sweet 16 and so close to beating Kansas. Does this mean the team started what real Clemson fans want? I don't know but I do know there are many that are not like you and root for them to lose because they want Brad out.
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It doesn’t matter when or why facilities were upgraded.
Dec 18, 2022, 4:55 AM
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The simple fact remains Brad Brownell has done far less with far more than any basketball coach in Clemson history. Modern history. Since the 60s going forward. In an easier ACC with better facilities and more TV and Clemson having a bigger name, he has done less! The only basketball coach I can think of again going back to the 60s that has been less successful than Brad Brownell is Larry Shyatt. And it took too long to get rid of him too! But considering we’re supposed to be a football school and it took nine years to get rid of Tommy Bowden, I guess it’s gonna take 20 years to get rid of Brad Brownell.
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he would be a great assistant as he is great at developing
Dec 18, 2022, 7:09 AM
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players, his problem is he gets out coached when the game is on the the line
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Said no-one except bandwagon trolls and JK***
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@Rambutt007 - I bet your husband appreciates this trolling today. Kept
Dec 18, 2022, 11:29 AM
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you away from him.
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Additional funding and resources would be wasted on Brad.
Dec 18, 2022, 4:32 PM
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None of that will help him coach better in one possession games, which is near or at worst in the league consistently, nor will it help him better grasp rhythm and momentum as we try and put games away.
Dabo and Brad each started with a $900,000 salary their first year. Dabo parlayed that into historic success and a significantly amped up investment in the program. Brad parlayed his into one single successful season in twelve years, a total dud in ACC tournaments throughout, and inconsistent / box of chocolate performance headscratchers from the team.
You don't throw good money after bad. In 12+ years, Brad has been bad money.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Found another JK scok***
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banned too fast. I was hoping for at least an attempted response. The JK account at least tries to justify his/her position.
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Sorry for making excuses for not making excuses
Dec 19, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Said this before but the money argument is so pathetic. The difference in spending between clemson and the 4-5 teams above them in the acc is negligible. What pisses people off is that those other schools get a better return. Boom mic drop i guess?
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Orange Blooded [4447]
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 19, 2022, 10:22 AM
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You can recruit or not. Unfortunately Brad is not. Dickie V told me several years back that was the scoop on Brad. He can’t recruit.
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 19, 2022, 11:04 AM
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We are the equivalent of Vandy in the football SEC. We are never going to get blue chip players. Zion’s dad played here and we had 0 chance of getting him. We don’t have a player that would get more than 8 mins a game if they were at UVA or UNC or DU. Put any of those coaches here and they don’t win anything either. Would Brownell be 15-16 at those schools? No. He’s as good as any we’ve ever had. Basketball is just something to do until football starts.
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CU Guru [1938]
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 20, 2022, 10:22 AM
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I'm convinced 95.89 % of everyone posting on this thread is an escaped mental patient. Take your meds and get back to the institution, please.
Judge Judy was bad enough, now there are more.
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We're not getting our money's worth.***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Perfect example...VT has been to the last 5 NCAA
Dec 20, 2022, 2:41 PM
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Tourneys and Notre Dame has made the NCAA's 8 times since Brad has been at Clemson. Thank you for proving the point.
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Orange Blooded [3695]
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VT is the ACC Tournament Champion
Dec 20, 2022, 2:51 PM
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We have never done that, NEVER
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Re: Why Brad Brownell is successful and your hate is not valid.
Dec 20, 2022, 3:07 PM
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I don't understand the Brownell undying love from a couple posters. You can defend him all you want but the simple question is has the Brownell era been a success? To me that answer is an resounding NO. That's all I need to know. All the other fluff these few posters post is nothing more than deflections. Idc about a stat or a financial figure or a list, I care about results. At any other school that claims to take basketball seriously would have fired him. I said 2 years ago I was done with him and I stand by that. I just can't believe after over a decade we still have guys yelling "you have to give him more time".
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