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This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 27, 2012, 11:27 PM
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Watching this bowl game (UCLA vs Baylor). UCLA the second best team in the whole PAC 12 getting punked by an average at best Baylor squad. This is not an ACC verse PAC 12 argument because I believe they are slightly better. This has more to do with the absolute homerun TV contract their leadership got them and the absolute suck that our leadership got us.
Lets take a look at both conferences just for comparison purposes. Ill throw a random number to rate each school on 1-5 in terms of football programs
ACC
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Virginia Tech
NC State
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Virginia
Louisville
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
WF
Duke
Pac 12
Oregon
USC
Stanford
Cal
Oregon State
Colorado
Utah
Washington State
Washington
Arizona
Arizona St
UCLA
I just feel like these conferences are so similar 1-12. I feel like Oregon vs. Stanford was just like CU vs FSU in the ACC yet we get crapped on because of our lazy *** commissioner.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 27, 2012, 11:28 PM
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Oh and I tried to do the ratings. I just gave up because whatever number I gave people would have a problem with. Just look at the programs. We are not 100,000,000 dollars less in value.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 27, 2012, 11:35 PM
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Los Angeles and San Fran and San Diego and Seattle and Phoenix and Portland and Denver TV markets
are bigger than
Charlotte and Atlanta (half) and RDU and Charlottesville and Tally.
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Greenville is a top 10 TV market***
Dec 27, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Re: Greenville is a top 10 TV market***
Dec 27, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Ahhhhh. No
Greenville is not the center of the universe and is not one of the 10 largest markets in the country. Not even close.
GSP is 37th.
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Re: Ahh yes
Dec 28, 2012, 12:01 AM
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Lord Mercy.....reading comprehension.
That is the Top 10 markets for college football not the largest Tv markets.
Greenville SC got a 4.1 market share or 4.1% of the TV watched college football this year. The overall size of the market for GSP is 846,030.
Los Angeles had a 1.8 market share or 1,5% of all TVs. The size of the LA market is 5,613,460 people.
Now which would you rather sell to a network. 4.1% of 846K or 1.8% of 5.6MM
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Re: Ahh yes
Dec 28, 2012, 12:02 AM
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2011 Rank Designated Market Area (DMA) # of TV Households
1 New York 7,384,340
2 Los Angeles 5,613,460
3 Chicago 3,484,800
4 Philadelphia 2,949,310
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,588,020
6 San Francisco - Oakland - San Jose 2,502,030
7 Boston (Manchester) 2,366,690
8 Washington, DC 2,359,160
9 Atlanta 2,326,840
10 Houston 2,215,650
11 Detroit 1,845,920
12 Seattle-Tacoma 1,818,900
13 Phoenix 1,812,040
14 Tampa - St. Petersburg 1,806,560
15 Minneapolis - St.Paul 1,728,050
16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale 1,621,130
17 Denver 1,566,460
18 Cleveland-Akron 1,485,140
19 Orlando-Daytona Beach 1,453,170
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto 1,387,710
21 St.Louis 1,243,490
22 Portland, OR 1,182,180
23 Pittsburgh 1,165,740
24 Raleigh-Durham 1,150,350
25 Charlotte 1,136,420
26 Indianapolis 1,089,700
27 Baltimore 1,085,070
28 San Diego 1,075,120
29 Nashville 1,014,910
30 Hartford - New Haven 996,550
31 Kansas City 931,320
32 Columbus, OH 930,460
33 Salt Lake City 917,370
34 Milwaukee 902,190
35 Cincinnati 897,890
36 San Antonio 881,050
37 Greenville-Spartanville-Asheville 846,030
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Re: Ahh yes
Dec 28, 2012, 12:27 AM
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So you just proved my point the ACC is on that list at
1, 4, 7, 8, 9, 14, 16, 19, 23, 24, 25, and 37
while the Pac 12 has
2, 6, 12, 13, 17, 20, 22, 28, and 33
You literally just proved my point. Thanks for the help
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Aren't we talking College Football?***
Dec 28, 2012, 12:04 AM
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Why would you base Conference contracts off how many people
Dec 28, 2012, 12:05 AM
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watch jersey shore, 24, house, etc.
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Re: Why would you base Conference contracts off how many people
Dec 28, 2012, 12:10 AM
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Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
4.1% market share of 846K total market size = 34K on average watch a College Football TV broadcast in GSP
1,8 market share of 5.6MM total market share = 101K on average watch a College Football TV broadcast in Los Angeles
3 times more people watch college football in LA than GSP.
Simple math
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By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 27, 2012, 11:33 PM
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Oregon was 2nd best team in Pac 12 by far
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 27, 2012, 11:45 PM
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And here is exactly why the Pac 10 TV contract is >>>> than the ACC.
Using your example......
Clemson vs. Florida State blew chuncks on TV ratings
"Marketed as the college football game of the week, Saturday’s ACC battle between Clemson and Florida State was not even the game of the night.
The latest edition of “Saturday Night Football,” won by #4 Florida State over #10 Clemson, earned a 3.2 overnight rating on ABC — down 20% from LSU/West Virginia last year (4.0), and down 16% from Oregon State/Boise State in 2010 (3.8).
The 3.2 is the lowest overnight of the season"
vs the final ratings for Oregon / Stanford
NCAA Week 12: Final Ratings Big For Stanford/Oregon
"One of the biggest upsets of the college football season gave ABC strong numbers Saturday night, but could not match last year.
The Stanford/Oregon “Saturday Night Football” game drew a 5.1 final rating and 8.3 million viewers on ABC, down 16% in ratings and 14% in viewership from regional action featuring Oregon/Southern Cal last year (6.1, 9.7M), but up 28% and 29%, respectively, from coverage featuring Nebraska/Texas A&M in 2010 (4.0, 6.5M).
The answer is very simple more people want to watch PAC 10/12 football than ACC
Nothing to do with Swofford or any other conspiracy theories.
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that's just insane to me
Dec 27, 2012, 11:59 PM
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are that many people Stanford fans? Or is it because Oregon got so much attention as a national championship contender?
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
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Honestly
I have spent a great deal of time working in the industry on the West Coast.
Outside of the PAC 10 they really do not care about college football or really NFL as much as you would expect.
The other thing that effects the ratings is the time zone. Clemson fans want the Prime Time spot of ESPN or ABC and rightfully so. But in Oregon or LA the Prime Time spot is a 5PM start.
The markets are so much larger also than in the Southeast. 1% of the LA market is equal to about 8% of the GSP market. It takes a big draw just to equal the size difference.
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 12:19 AM
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Terrierfans,
I know your a freaking #### fan so try and take yourself out of the situation. Your talking TV markets? I'll give you the ACC TV markets
#1 New York
#4 Philadelphia
#7 Boston
#8 Atlanta
#16 Miami
You don't want to get into head to head matchup just arguing TV markets. Your mind is so fu**** on hating everything Clemson you can't even see the argument. You even say this gem "the markets are so much larger than the southeast" YOU EVER LOOKED AT THE ACC? Seriously, have you ever looked at the ACC?
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 12:28 AM
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#1 New York - How is NYC considered an ACC market, if it is not Yankees, Knicks or Rangers they could not care less.
#4 Philadelphia - How is philly an ACC market??
#7 Boston - BC, again college football ratings in Boston have been as low as 0.1
#8 Atlanta - The SEC is king in Atlanta and outdraws the ACC 6 to 1. Atlanta is an SEC market and barely a blip on the ACC.
#16 Miami - Granted an ACC market but I am not sure Miami cares about the Canes based on recent attendence.
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 AM
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dude....literally 5 seconds ago you were telling a different poster that it didn't matter if the people in those big time cities were watching jersey shore.....now your changing your tune?
Take out Philly as Pitt is 4 hours away.
Boston- once again you are changing your tune. You flip your argument to what you want it to be to make your point.
Atlanta- BS. Atlanta is watching CU, FSU, VT, Miami, and other ACC football schools you SEC nut licker
Miami- once again your changing your argument from prior posts in which you said it didn't matter.
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 11:25 AM
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What? No. Terrier might not be a tiger fan, but his arguments are not what you said they are at all. He never said it doesn't matter what people are watching... He just looked at the ratings you used (college football TV market rankings). Those rankings are based on the PERCENT MARKET SHARE of the overall TV market in which they are located. GSP is one of the top 10 markets AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL MARKET THAT WATCHES COLLEGE FOOTBALL. However, the total market is so much smaller than the bigger cities that the bigger market share still represents far fewer overall viewers of the games. And if you think Atl is primarily an ACC market then you are dreaming. SEC is king in Georgia. As for Boston, he didn't change his argument AT ALL, he just said exactly what he said before... Boston is a large market, but its college football market share is incredibly low, so low overall numbers of viewers. I hate to support a non-clemson fan but he clearly has this one right.
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you can probably throw DC in there for UVa and VT
Dec 28, 2012, 2:20 AM
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there are more of their fans in DC than Maryland fans.
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 3:42 AM
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I live in NYC and Syracus does NOT give the ACC NYC. It's a 4+ hour drive to Syracuse from the city. What it will do is give the ACC a slot on YES network or something. The SEC has an affiliate in NYC for their 12:30 game of the week and don't even have a team there.
The problem the ACC has is that a small number of teams need to win the conference for people to care. FSU, Clemson, Va Tech or Miama have to DOMINATE or no one is going to watch. No one wants to see Ga Tech or Wake Forest compete for the conference championship...it hurts the conference. FSU or Miami has to get back to a top 5 program for thee ACC to get some respect. FSU had a chance and blew it this year.
The majority of Americans aren't college football fans. The majority of the people that watch the games are even really fans...so people need to stop getting hung up on who has the most real fans. If anyone wants a reality check spend a weekend in NYC during college football season. You'll see very quickly how little people care about anyting that isn't a national brand...and how many of those does the ACC have?
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You know all of this because you have interviewed
Dec 28, 2012, 7:55 AM
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"how many people"? I don't even know if my next door neighbors watch college football nevermind what 7,000,000 people in New York are watching.
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 10:47 AM
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First of all, why would anyone want to live in NYC? Secondly, do you think people want to watch a matchup for the SEC championship between Vanderbilt and Kentucky or Ole Miss and Miss State? Your argument is very weak! Thirdly, here is that great national brand you talk about in the NYC market area:
NY Jets 6-9
Buffalo 5-10
NY Giants 8-7
Phil. Eagles 4-11
How about a Super Bowl of the Eagles and Jets?
Lastly, name me a good college football team in the NYC market area?
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Re: that's just insane to me
Dec 28, 2012, 12:44 AM
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"In an evening where three of the big four networks aired college football matchups between ranked teams, it was NBC's matchup of the Notre Dame-Michigan game that wound up winning the evening.
NBC pulled a 1.9 rating with a 6 share in the coveted 18-49 demographic, with 6.02 million viewers overall. #11 Notre Dame beat #16 Michigan 13-6.
ABC's college football broadcast of Clemson at Florida State finished second, with a 1.7 rating and a 5 share, and 4.36 million viewers. #4 Florida State beat #10 Clemson 49-37."
-Examiner.com
So Clemson vs FSU finished that day with a 1.7 rating and ND vs. Michigan (a great traditional rivalry) finished with a 1.9. I'll take that any day of the week. It finished 2nd that day only to ND which has every catholic in the nation watching
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CU vs. FSU was up against ND and Michigan, and OU and KSU
Dec 28, 2012, 12:14 AM
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It killed the KSU vs OU game. 6mil -ND/UM, 4.36 CU/FSU and 2.8 for OU/KSU. UM and ND is going to beat almost any game it is up against including a LSU/Bama type game and will be a national game when they play. The Stanford vs Oregon game was up against OU and WVU(meaningless game at that point in the season) and Oregon was undefeated at the end of the season with huge BCS implications.
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Re: CU vs. FSU was up against ND and Michigan, and OU and KSU
Dec 28, 2012, 12:16 AM
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True statements and a very good statements.
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Re: CU vs. FSU was up against ND and Michigan, and OU and KSU
Dec 28, 2012, 12:24 AM
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But look at these numbers and it will clearly show why the SEC and PAC contracts are vastly greater than the ACC.
Listed here are the higest rated game of the week for each of the 14 weeks during the college football season.
Week 1 4.8 (7.9M) Alabama/Michigan 0.833333333 ABC
Week 2 3.3 (4.7M) USC /Syracuse 0.645833333 ABC
Week 3 3.2 Alabama Arkansas 0.645833333 CBS
Week 4 4.0 (6.4M) Michigan /Notre Dame 0.8125 NBC
Week 5 3.3 (5.0M) Ohio State / Michigan St. 0.645833333 ABC 5
Week 6 4.6 Florida /LSU 0.645833333 CBS
Week 7 3.7 (6.0M) South Carolina /LSU 0.833333333 ESPN
Week 8 3.1 (4.9M) Florida/South Carolina 0.645833333 CBS
Week 9 5.2 (8.6M) Notre Dame/Oklahoma 0.833333333 ABC
4.2 Georgia/ Florida 0.645833333 CBS
Week 10 6.8 (11.3M) Alabama/LSU 0.833333333 CBS 10
Week 11 6.1 (9.6M) Texas A&M/Alabama 0.645833333 CBS 11
Week 12 5.1 (8.3M) Stanford/Oregon 0.833333333 ABC 12
Week 13 9.4 (16.1M) Notre Dame USC 0.833333333 ABC 13
Week 14 9.8 (16.2M) Alabama Georgia 0.666666667 CBS 13
By my count of 8 of the 14 weeks featured SEC teams in the highest rated game.
Notre Dame was in 3
The Pac 12 was in 2
And the Big 10 was in 3
The ACC was never the highest rated game of the week and the highest rated ACC game between FSU and CU was only the 57th rated game of the season at 2.9.(up against strong competition however)
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Re: CU vs. FSU was up against ND and Michigan, and OU and KSU
Dec 28, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Not telling the whole story again are we. It matters what time your game is put on. If you have 3 big games going on at once your going to split the ratings as previously noted. Of course you chose to ignore that.
By the way ND and Syracuse are now in the ACC market. 
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 12:31 AM
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Just going by how the conferences decide their champions. Not the point though.
I would say CU and FSU 1 and 2 respectively
I would say Oregon and Stanford 1 and 2 respectively
Just based that post off of how they finished in conference. UCLA played Stanford in their championship. GT played FSU in their championship. Either way your get back to the same spot. We are about the same competition wise (slight edge to Pac 12). The post is more about the complete garbage tv deal we got
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 12:51 AM
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I refuse to continue an argument with someone that already has their mind made up. I thought we could have a civilized conversation without name calling. I was wrong. BTW I never resorted to calling you names.
My credentials by the way are for 8 years, I worked as a consultant for a company. One of my main projects was working with the NCAA and the various conferences on TV revenues and contracts. I spent probably over 500 days in a 8 year period, analyzing data and mining information for the NCAA who was our client.
I was fortunate enough to be part of many of the decisions, not making the decisions obviously, but my company was hired and I was a consultant involved in the project. I met some great people and learned a great deal on how things work. It was truly a career making opportunity.
So I was lucky I was able to spend almost a decade working solely in two areas I love, computer data mining and college sports. I spent months in the ACC and other conference offices and the NCAA; first in Kansas then in Indy. It was a great experience.
For now I will let you continue in your thought process and move on.
I wish you a happy new year and best of luck in the Peach CFA bowl.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 12:57 AM
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I have 10 years of experience in the field. I have worked extensively with multiple big 6 conferences. My work was published to the big 6 conferences and I am currently an adviser for the Big 10 Network. Your playing checkers and I am playing chess Al Groh style
I refuse to argue with somebody who already has their mind up. I wish you nothing but the worst against Michigan. I hope your program sinks into the depths of **** never to be seen again.
Happy New Years.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 1:04 AM
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I am confused.
You graduated Clemson in 2006 but have 10 years experience in the field.
Interesting.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 1:06 AM
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Yea. Amazing isn't it.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 1:24 AM
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I have a hard time accepting any of this at face value since the NCAA has absolutely zero investment in the television rights of college athletics (NCAA basketball tournament not withstanding - which is a national broadcast partnership). If you are telling the truth then you are part of a consortium who has, based on your posts, both grossly misinterpreted your sports data mining and completely disregarded the rapidly changing future of sports broadcasting. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that the NCAA would pay for substandard consulting for research that they stand to profit nothing from.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 1:36 AM
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It was almost 20 years ago 1993 - 2001.
The NCAA hired the company for many projects not limited to just TV rights.
At the time TV landscape was completely different.
We spent a good deal of the time working on the NCAA basketball data which the NCAA controls/negotiates and still controls and negotiates on behalf of the 300 plus schools.
We also worked on issues dealing with eligibility and a great deal of time on small college issues.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 1:53 AM
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So not relevant to a discussion of current conference contract negotiations.
Also, other than the NCAA tournament, in what way does the NCAA represent member institutions in TV contract negotiations for basketball. Thanks to our friends at the University of Oklahoma, all schools own their own broadcasting rights and assign them as they see fit - usually to be handled by the conference. I don't know a single D1 conference/ school that assigns regular season broadcast rights for any sport to the NCAA.
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Re: By your logic there, GT was second best team in ACC
Dec 28, 2012, 2:26 AM
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You implying that terrierfan is embellishing his knowledge of the current situation. Say it isn't so. Surely not. In one case big markets don't matter because nobody is watching in another case big markets matter no matter what the product. If anybody hired him I truly feel sorry for the assessment they got.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 28, 2012, 1:09 AM
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All ya gotta do is watch the Belk Bowl replay. Easy to score half a hundred on a bunch of patsies. Tigers right where they belong getting spanked again by a Big Boy in Atlanta.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 28, 2012, 1:31 AM
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Derp Derp Derp
We whipped your ##### for the better part of a century and got nothing for it. And don't bring the freaking Belk Bowl into play where a low Duke program is playing.
WildBill,
Pop your mouth off of Spurrier's ### for a second and open your eyes. Last time your pathetic program played an ACC team in a bowl you got b**** smacked.
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Awful logic there
Dec 28, 2012, 7:18 AM
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Duke is the worst football program in the ACC had a good year where they went 6-6 losing their last 4 games of the season. Still they went out and nearly beat a now 10 win Cincinnati team that was undefeated for a good part of the year and has won 10 plus games 5 or 6 times over the last 10 or so years.
Just get out with that crap.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 28, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Really, well, as soon as I finish this post I will send a message to our team and tell them to come home because the winner has already been determined.
Appalachian State 34 - Michigan 32
As some people say, "Dude, that is why they play the game."
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Its about two things Geography and ESPN
Dec 28, 2012, 7:29 AM
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Geography: There is no other conference west of Texas to compete with the Pac-12. Every major school from the majority of the western states is in that conference. On the East Coast where the ACC is it is much more semented between the SEC, ACC, Big East, and B1G.
ESPN: The ACC made the decision to sell all of its rights to one media partner instead of splitting them like the other conferences. As a result the conference gave up some monetary value for more exposure. No sport professional or otherwise is getting paid as much from ESPN as the ACC is and just about every ACC Competition will be broadcast on one of ESPN's channels.
The Pac-12 and ACC are in completely different situations.
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THIS THREAD
Dec 28, 2012, 8:11 AM
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Turned into the biggest nerd-off I've ever seen. What's next...Dance Fight?
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Re: THIS THREAD
Dec 28, 2012, 11:45 AM
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I think its called a dance off.
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Re: Its about two things Geography and ESPN
Dec 28, 2012, 11:44 AM
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The east coast is dominated by the ACC. The B1G is 90 percent in the Midwest. They just got a portion of the east coast by taking a lousy Rutgers and Maryland. The Big East is dead so don't include them in anything
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You are wrong
Dec 28, 2012, 12:31 PM
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The ACC has a good share of the east coast, but that is nowhere near what the Pac-12 has on the west coast. There is zero competition there and every major west coast school is in that conference.
You are just wrong. There is no comparison between the situations.
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Duh, of course the PAC-12 has a bigger deal
Dec 28, 2012, 8:32 AM
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because they are made up of mostly large state universities which equals larger alumni bases and higher ratings.
The best ingredient for the ACC improving their ratings is for teams with national brands like FSU and Miami to win on the national stage more.
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Re: Duh, of course the PAC-12 has a bigger deal
Dec 28, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Wrong.
Notre Dame
Private School
Total Enrollment 11,000
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Wrong about what? ND of course is a different animal
Dec 28, 2012, 11:46 AM
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and has a national following.
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Re: Wrong about what?***
Dec 28, 2012, 11:52 AM
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You said
Big state schools with big enrollments = better tv market because of alumni. ND is not a state school and has a small enrollment yet it is the most watched program in the nation.
The ACC has some big state universities as well. FSU, VT, UNC, NC State, CU...and more. And yes we do have 2 lowly private school football programs in WF and Duke
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Wrong again
Dec 28, 2012, 12:34 PM
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You don't think through your arguments. Notre Dame is the national catholic university. The school has a long history of being independent and has no comparison among the rest of the schools in the nation.
All you need to look at is the fact that Notre Dame is the only relevant independant school in the country to know that.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 28, 2012, 10:19 AM
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An average Baylor squad?? Bet they'd take our butts to the woodshed.
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Re: This is why so many ACC schools are ticked right now
Dec 28, 2012, 11:39 AM
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If so that is sad because they are an average football team this year
They are 7-5 with losses to terrible squads in WVU and Iowa State. They are average this season. You cannot doubt that with a 7-5 record
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Re: Re: Ahh yes
Dec 28, 2012, 11:09 AM
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Do you not think Network Execs are smart enough to do the math. They would much rather have the 1.8% on 5.6 mil than the 4.1% on 846 thousand. The difference in viewers is drastically better in the LA market. It's not even close.
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Re: Re: Ahh yes
Dec 28, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Of course they are smart enough to figure that out. At the same time they should be smart enough to want the Boston, Atlanta, and DC markets (all of which ACC has a footprint)
Your arguing a different point
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Yet you ignore the clear difference
Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 PM
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The ACC has nowhere near the market share throughout its markets as the Pac-12 does. Heck the Pac-12 has two schools in LA.
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