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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Will never understand someone who thinks like this.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 9:06 AM
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I'm sure some of the more crunchy-granola ivory-tower-type leftists would agree with Macron, but by and large this is not accurate. America is not Europe, and in fact sharply diverges from Europe on this issue. From the data I've seen Dems are about split on "stand your ground" self-defense (the right to defend yourself where you stand without the obligation to try to retreat) but even Dems overwhelmingly support Castle Doctrine. Which is what this case very much is.
Europe comes from a monarchistic tradition, and a lot of even their modern-day laws and cultural mores are still steeped in that. And monarchs were always perpetually aware that the peasants were liable to pick up the weapons and use them against the monarch when irritated, and so generally kings and nobles banned private possession of weapons on their lands...and also tended to claim the right of judgment for crimes as well. They never had to deal with a hostile frontier.
Americans colonials who of necessity had to settle their own problems or they didn't get solved at all didn't much hold with that...and, you know, sort of fought a war to eject the monarchy and claim the right to keep and bear arms as private citizens. And along with that, the right to use them to defend what was ours.
Except for the extreme left, Americans still overwhelmingly believe this. I could site Pew research on this...but you'd never bother to read it, and you'd certainly never acknowledge any fact that runs counter to the deluge of BS you throw up against the wall daily.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 10:48 AM
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Forgot your long-winded pseudo-academic arguments. Just use common sense and compare today with a decade ago, and two decades ago.
What used to be unthinkable, like an avowed socialist, who literally spent a lot of time in the Soviet Union (and wrote about how great it was), was nearly (and should have been) the democratic presidential nominee.
Unthinkable - the Secretary of State going rogue and creating her own DIY email server, in plain sight, used for gov't business, while also collecting 100s of millions of dollars in the Clinton Foundation. The PERCEPTION of this is fre@king off the scale corrupt. The reality is that it was corruption, but none of the MSM investigated. This should have been the topic of every Sunday morning show for years because of the gross conflict of interest perceptions happening in plain sight.
MSM completely gone to one side. Was not the case a decade ago.
You are a victim of the slow churn propaganda heading into a bad place. Changes cannot be discerned on a day-to-day, month-to-month, or even year-to-year basis. But they can be on 5 and 10-year views.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 9:32 AM
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This is unbelievable. I mean, really, come on. The head of a modern nation says this? The world will crumble with these bozos in charge.
Is there a translation problem I wonder? It sounds so bizarre. Here's what the article:
“Everyone must be safe, and the public authorities have to ensure it,” he declared while speaking on Europe 1.
“But I am opposed to self-defense. It’s very clear and undisputable because otherwise the country becomes the Wild West. And I don’t want a country where weapons proliferate and where we consider that it’s up to the citizens to defend themselves,” said Macron.
The president said he wants the French to rely on the police and the gendarmerie to ensure their safety, however, critics have pointed to France’s deteriorating security situation, increase in murders, and sexual assaults. The existence of no-go zones in majority migrant neighborhoods where police fear to go has only fueled fears that France is unable to police a significant portion of its population.
But, do not pretend this is so far away and involving different people, blah, blah, blah and it will never happen here. That is total bullchit. It will happen here because the liberals/progs are dumb as dirt and they are raising more dumb-as-dirt kids to adults every day that goes by.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 9:41 AM
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This is unbelievable. I mean, really, come on. The head of a modern nation says this? The world will crumble with these bozos in charge.
Too late.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 9:43 AM
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I don't agree with Macron (at all!), but this isn't the first time I've noticed Europeans have a profoundly different take on self-defense than Americans generally do.
They think we're cowboys, draw fast and shoot. The right of self-defense is just not guaranteed to a lot of Europeans. Justice is the state's job.
I think Americans are just more independent-minded than Europeans are. Which is, I suspect, why so many of our more independent-minded ancestors wound up here instead of staying there. I just think on average Americans are less, I dunno, naturally obedient than Europeans are on average. We're just a rougher bunch. My guess is, it's probably genetic, exactly the way some pets are just wilder and less social than others, and tend to wander more. Just in the blood, I think.
That tendency towards obedience is even more pronounced in Asian cultures. But then, those civilizations are on average a couple thousand years older than ours. I suspect the wild wanderers inclined towards solving their own problems may have been bred out of the older Asian cultures even more so than in Europe.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 8, 2022, 10:10 AM
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At least they still allow you the right to die in your own home at the hands of an intruder.
(if it's really YOUR home?)
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Looking for a reliable source on this
Apr 8, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Lots of hits, but all are echoes from the US right wing/Russia/China/Iran propaganda system.
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The leftist MSM isn't pointing out an idiotic thing a lefty
Apr 8, 2022, 1:01 PM
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said... what a shocker!
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Re: The leftist MSM isn't pointing out an idiotic thing a lefty
Apr 8, 2022, 1:39 PM
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Macron's more centrist than anything.
I'm sure you love you some Marine Le Pen, though. Other than the Azovs, who hate your boy Putin, I haven't seen a Fascist yet that you weren't behind 110%.
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Re: The leftist MSM isn't pointing out an idiotic thing a lefty
Apr 11, 2022, 2:30 PM
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I need to look harder for when the usual lefty News Outlets had emphasized Macron's 'individual citizens do not the right for self defense' statement.
And by "emphasis" I don't mean a sentence buried at the end of a 'The need to educate 2nd graders about the merits of the LTBGQ life' type article.
In the absence of proof to the contrary, then Charleston Tom is correct that the leftists MSM isn't pointing this out ... and someone else is incorrect.
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Re: The leftist MSM isn't pointing out an idiotic thing a lefty
Apr 12, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Your original post says Democrats in the US think this way, but now you're saying the liberal news sources didn't report on this story because they think it's idiotic? If the liberals agree with this why wouldn't they report on it?
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 10, 2022, 6:51 PM
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I finally found a reliable source, the spectator.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/macron-has-taken-this-election-for-granted Macron has taken this election for granted | The Spectator Things are going from bad to worse for Emmanuel Macron, and for the first time political commentators in France are considering the possibility that he might not win a second term. The latest poll, carried out for Le Figaro, has him one point ahead of Marine Le Pen in the voting intentions of the pe...
Self defense is valid in France, so there’s more to the story that will require some translating of the local story.
I assumed the Russo-Bot was spreading more disinformation.
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Re: This is what Democrats in the US think
Apr 10, 2022, 7:43 PM
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So Macron proposes letting the police handle it. So the farmer politely asks the burglar to exit his home and calls the police. Yeah, that works so much better than self defense.
Is he running on “a gendarme in every home?” If not, don’t see how his plan is better, plus who’s gonna cover the gendarme’s home when he’s on the job?
Madness to advocate against self defense.
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