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Re: Lower refinery output is Brandon’s fault
Jun 15, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Uh oh you’re going to trigger all the Biden defenders.
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Legend [17285]
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What new EPA or OSHA legislation passed …
Jun 15, 2022, 2:22 PM
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and regulations/ standards promulgated in the last 15 months?
Enforcement actions would likely be on regulatory requirements that have been around 20-30 years. Not sure “what’s changed.”
Guessing that EPAs Risk Management Program (RMP) / OSHAs Process Safety Management (PSM) may be some of the more onerous requirements given process hazard analysis and mechanical integrity elements _ yet these have been in play over 25 years. These regulations ultimately require investment in asset integrity and safety systems. Perhaps older refineries have not kept pace over the last several decades with proper maintenance expense and capital replacement?
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Heisman Winner [119698]
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Are you seriously denying that Biden has threatened
Jun 15, 2022, 2:41 PM
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the fossil fuel industry? Biden’s new Climate regs make it impossible for oil companies to do improvements or start up idle refineries.
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Re: Are you seriously denying that Biden has threatened
Jun 15, 2022, 2:45 PM
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So MEAN TWEETS has caused all of this? LOL. Man, you guys had me convinced it was because of pipelines and federal land leases. Now we've moved the goal posts to refineries. Lol
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Re: Are you seriously denying that Biden has threatened
Jun 15, 2022, 5:55 PM
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When you asked the question when this issue was obviously purely Brandon's (because Russia invasion had not started yet) many people gave the rationale in the article.
And you still don't get it?
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No issue completing Keystone XL. It will …
Jun 15, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Help future transportation capacity from Canada and some potential western fields. Plus IMO state of the art pipelines can be an environmentally safe mode of transportation compared to other modes.
More future than any immediate impact on today’s supply and price. Not sure if the various sections of the existing Keystone pipelines are at capacity.
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All-TigerNet [10887]
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This whole sh*tshow is Brandon's fault. Trump showed
Jun 15, 2022, 2:37 PM
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us the way. Biden reversed it all.
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It would be stupid for any refinery to make capital
Jun 15, 2022, 2:37 PM
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improvements in this hostile environment. Especially with rising interest rates.
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This is the answer
Jun 15, 2022, 2:55 PM
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We're stuck here and there's nothing anyone can do to fix it.
What baffles me, is no one admits that the actions we've taken over the past 2 years is what's gotten us here. People denying that are just arguing to support their team and aren't able to objectively look at the tape.
You can't declare war on an industry and then expect that industry to come to bat when you need them, at a time when the economy is teetering on the edge of a cliff.
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Re: This is the answer
Jun 15, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Give us some specifics.
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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To which part?
Jun 15, 2022, 3:10 PM
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There's three.
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Orange Blooded [4018]
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Re: To which part?
Jun 15, 2022, 3:17 PM
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"Declaring war on oil and gas". What is different now from the day Trump left office?
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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Lol - so you're saying
Jun 15, 2022, 5:19 PM
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this administration hasn't declared war on the oil and gas industry? Bless your little tin heart you little bot you.
You picked the lowest hanging fruit. This is the easiest to showcase.
I was kind of hoping you'd want to look at the tape, but that's a little too deep for you to swim isn't honey? Understanding macro economic trends based on data is way outside of asking stupid ####### questions.
This'll be my last response to you.
I'm going to (try) to go in chronological order:
1- Campaign Promises:
1a- "Getting to a 100% clean energy economy is not only an obligation, it’s an opportunity."
https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/ -
1b- "Paired with his historic, front-loaded investments in the power sector, Biden’s EECES will cut electricity bills LOL and cut electricity pollution, increase competition in the market and incentivize higher utilization of assets – and achieve carbon-pollution free energy in electricity generation by 2035."
https://joebiden.com/clean-energy/
Side note - stupid mother ###### wants zero emissions from electrical, and I don't see any proposals on the table to build nuclear facilities. Care to elaborate on this #### ####### poor policy, there bot?
2- Day 1 EO's:
2a- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-public-health-and-environment-and-restoring-science-to-tackle-climate-crisis/
2b- https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-officially-rejoins-the-paris-agreement/
3- https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html
Tweet plug:
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239364431294926848?s=20&t=jSeL_NDHv-u3gy7k0i1hPw
4- Mobilizing the Yellen to identify climate related financial risk:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/05/25/2021-11168/climate-related-financial-risk Climate-Related Financial Risk Search, browse and learn about the Federal Register. Federal Register 2.0 is the unofficial daily publication for rules, proposed rules, and notices of Federal agencies and organizations, as well as executive orders and other presidential documents.
Which led to:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Climate-Finance-Report.pdf
And:
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/261/FSOC-Climate-Report.pdf
And ultimately this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/03/22/sec-climate-rule-opens-a-new-front-in-bidens-war-on-oil-and-gas/?sh=20f2d4c22d37
5 - EPA proposing new regulations on emissions of existing operations
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/11/15/2021-24202/standards-of-performance-for-new-reconstructed-and-modified-sources-and-emissions-guidelines-for
6- Windfall Tax
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-15/progressives-demand-that-big-oil-pay-with-windfall-profits-tax
7 - Your boy's laughable letter:
https://www.scribd.com/document/578432934/Biden-Refinery-Letter#fullscreen&from_embed
And to answer your second question - everything is more expensive.
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Re: Lol - so you're saying
Jun 15, 2022, 5:32 PM
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So with all that copy and paste, what specific actions has Biden done to be the difference from $2 gas to $5 gas? The only thing in all of that is pipeline and federal land leases, which has almost no effect on what we are seeing today.
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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Declared war on oil and gas
Jun 15, 2022, 5:57 PM
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c'mon sweety, keep up.
Plenty of references to that - as originally asked - here:
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/lol---so-youre-saying-30826421
I guess leveraging the Treasury department to determine risk of a specific industry vertical, leading to SEC Regulations, calling for windfall taxes, and writing big bad threatening letters is just "pipeline and federal land", right?
At what point do you start evaluating the administrations' policies and holding them accountable? I'll wait.
I like the new code they wrote for you. Sick one liner. Question. I'll wait. It works great for slinging mud at pointless ####, which you do very well, but when it comes to having logical conversations you're a little out of your depth.
'Till next time hombre.
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Orange Blooded [4018]
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Re: Declared war on oil and gas
Jun 15, 2022, 6:10 PM
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Assessing risk and MEAN TWEETS is going to globally raise the price of a barrel of oil to $150/barrel? 
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It's part of the answer....
Jun 15, 2022, 6:09 PM
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But this discussion isn't complete with acknowledging other factors too, like material/supply-chain issues, labor issues, and general industry/investor skidishness after getting absolutely decimated in 2020 and 2021.
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Yep... Was reading an article this morning where the Chevron
Jun 15, 2022, 3:26 PM
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CEO, Mike Wirth, stated that he does not believe another oil refinery will be built again in the United States due to over-burdensome Government policies.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chevron-ceo-there-may-never-be-another-oil-refinery-built-in-us-again_4532440.html
Also caught a CNN segment with our stupid Energy Secretary (Jennifer Granholm) this morning while at the gym. Of course their solution to our "not enough energy for demand" problem was to threaten a "profit surtax" on US energy companies. It is amazing how stupid these people in the Biden orbit are as a "profit surtax" will do nothing but cause our gas prices to rise even more as well as reduce output. It's almost as if they want the gas prices to go higher as quickly as possible...
What the Congress and Administration should be doing is talking with guys like Mike Wirth and all his counterparts at Exxon, BP etc... to figure out what Government can do to help them increase output as quickly as possible. Listen to the US guys who actually pull oil out of the ground and refine it instead of a bunch of environmentalist nutjobs whose only goal in life is to demonize and kill the fossil fuel industry.
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Legend [17285]
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Yes meaningful engagement with the oil companies
Jun 15, 2022, 4:45 PM
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Is needed. This should have happened in January when US intelligence thought the Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent.
But not buying oil executives impersonating Eyeore nor environmentalists saying that oil companies are the devil reincarnated. Extreme rhetoric leads to extreme positions and large oscillations in government policy.
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So that’s the difference between $2 per gallon and $5 per gallon gas?
Jun 15, 2022, 6:31 PM
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Is that what you’re saying?
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Re: So that’s the difference between $2 per gallon and $5 per gallon gas?
Jun 15, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Their narrative is pretty comical.
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Re: So that’s the difference between $2 per gallon and $5 per gallon gas?
Jun 15, 2022, 7:03 PM
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MUST PROTECT DADDY!!!!
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Re: So what's causing it?***
Jun 16, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Canceling the XL pipeline and pausing new Federal land leases. Oh yeah, assessing risk. LOL.
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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LOL
Jun 16, 2022, 9:56 AM
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so you have no idea. keep doing you bro
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Re: LOL
Jun 16, 2022, 10:53 AM
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I "agreed" with you and now it sounds dumb, doesn't it? LOL
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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No you didn't
Jun 16, 2022, 11:25 AM
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You leveraged your typical method of trolling b/c you don't have a semblance of understanding the world around you. You have a mental condition that causes you to post, ad nauseum, around here with the intent of doing nothing but stirring the pot on topics that have zero implications to working class' citizens day-to-day lives.
You're a window licking ####### moron who thinks in nothing but political troll points.
You're a bot. And a good one at that. So keep on keepin' on. You're doing great.
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Re: No you didn't
Jun 16, 2022, 12:04 PM
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Look, invective aside, you're saying: "hey, Biden declared war on an industry", which is sort of true. The approach has been confrontational.
The problem is that Big Oil, instead of reading the tea leaves and morphing itself into "Big Energy" that's committed to transitioning itself over to renewable sources, has just made a token public show of doing so...while at the same time funding bogus anti-climate research, funding a massive and furious climate-denial PR campaign, and pouring dark money hand over fist into the campaign coffers of politicians on both sides of the aisle to kill any kind of green-energy initiatives and keep us hooked on their product. Heck, in Florida and other red states increasingly they're even trying to kill buyback options for solar energy pumped back into the grid.
That isn't just "confrontational", one could argue it's actually treasonous or at least criminally irresponsible given the looming climate crisis, and that we're going to have to rip these parasites out by the roots if we're ever going to make the transition over.
So I guess the question is, even if the Biden Administration had tried a collective agreement - and I agree, they did not, they just tried and failed to pass BBB only to see Manchin, who is thoroughly in the pocket of both coal and oil - summarily kill it...would Big Oil even have been amenable to a compromise?
They seem to be taking the NRA's all-or-nothing, don't-give-an-inch approach. (Which as an aside is why I found it a particularly bold move Tesla went into Texas. At some point you'd think Texas politicians are going to have to choose between Tesla and Big Texas Oil. Can Elon really win that fight?)
Big Oil effectively seems to be holding America - and the world, actually - hostage. They certainly aren't showing any signs they're interested in being part of the solution.
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Re: No you didn't
Jun 16, 2022, 12:05 PM
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I've made it quite clear that I intentionally post with the same tone and arrogance of our 45th POTUS. It's funny how much this triggers MAGA, who hold me to a higher standard than the person they voted for. Thanks for your participation. LOL.
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That takes a serious mental condition
Jun 16, 2022, 12:38 PM
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to do this on a daily basis, at the frequency that you do, to the point that you have to explain the rationale behind your mantra...all the while dancing around as if you have won. You haven't won anything. In fact, you're entire identity is built on a premise of triggering a bunch of anonymous people on a Clemson message board.
And for what? Are you logging data as part of a case study? You're no different than the idiots you're triggering.
Like I alluded to earlier - you're mental capacity is equivalent of the kid licking a window.
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Re: That takes a serious mental condition
Jun 16, 2022, 12:54 PM
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You get so triggered at me for constant slapping down the BS narratives that get spewed on here daily, and you get even madder cause I do it with the same flair that MAGA praised DADDY for. So why do you guys hold me to a higher standard than the person you voted for to lead this country?
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Hall of Famer [21935]
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Are you slapping down any "narratives"
Jun 16, 2022, 2:33 PM
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which is a cute choice of words...without providing any alternative hypotheses on the topics you're discussing?
Your MO is sick one liner. Stupid Question. I'll wait.
You haven't formed a single position that I've seen that puts you in any form of resembling someone who comprehends what's happening. A ####### chimpanzee can laugh and point at the screen.
I'm not triggered at you for anything. I think you're existence is a ####### joke. And I think you're a complete ####### moron with severe mental problems.
I don't get involved in the political threads - so I have no idea what you're bringing to the table there. But the few times I've crossed paths with you, it's laughable, so I can presume what you're doing there:
Also not sure who you guys are. I've shown disdain for Donnie Pump's actions that have gotten us here on numerous occasions. So you're wrong, yet again. ####### moron.
I even teed that question up for you in my original response in this very thread. But you're so fuckign stupid you didn't even see it.
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Re: Are you slapping down any
Jun 16, 2022, 2:49 PM
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You didn't answer why do you hold me to a higher standard than DADDY, or Miura for that matter. ??
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