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All-TigerNet [12157]
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I'm a glutten for punishment and tuned into the ESPN
Dec 16, 2019, 7:34 AM
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Bowl Mania special last night. The show featured Todd McShay, Desmond Howard, and Greg McElroy picking the winners for 40 bowl games. Each of their 40 bowl game picks was ranked ordered from their most confident pick/prognostication (i.e. #40) to the pick/prognostication they were least confident in (i.e. #1).
What was somewhat surprising is that all of them picked Clemson to beat Ohio State. Both McShay and Howard had Clemson in the "20's" on their confidence rating with Greg McElroy having his pick for the Clemson vs Ohio State pegged at "3" on his confidence scale.
I guess I was somewhat surprised the ESPN talking heads unanimously picked Clemson to win after all the yapping this past season about Clemson "not playing anybody", "the ACC sux", "Trevor Lawrence is throwing too many interceptions" etc... I guess when push comes to shove the talking heads know the truth - Clemson is the best football team in the land and will prove it during Championship season!
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CU Medallion [67091]
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Re: I'm a glutten for punishment and tuned into the ESPN
Dec 16, 2019, 7:55 AM
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I saw that was on and made a point to avoid it. I watch games only now. The last couple weeks they've changed the narrative to liking us in attempt to make us overconfident. I've concluded they dont know anymore than we do and they clearly are given talking points and for an agenda.
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All-In [30596]
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These guys played and coached collegiate football
Dec 16, 2019, 8:05 AM
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They know way more than we do.
But I agree..it is scripted. Here's your agenda and talking points. Use what you know about football to really sell this narrative.
#1.. boost the ratings
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You would think but some of them are still clueless***
Dec 16, 2019, 1:03 PM
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All-In [30596]
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They never said clemson was a bad team.
Dec 16, 2019, 8:01 AM
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Ever.
They just couldn't sell any beer commercials with clemson's schedule so they moved on.
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Re: I'm a glutten for punishment and tuned into the ESPN
Dec 16, 2019, 8:06 AM
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Well the ACC does suck and we haven't played anyone. There was nothing wrong when they said that.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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so what is the reference point?
Dec 16, 2019, 8:21 AM
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Not arguing whether the ACC is bad or not, but compared to what?
The SEC just "beats each other up" each week, but would the second and third level teams of the SEC fare much better if they played in the ACC?
Big 10 is "awesome," but one of their cream of the crop teams, Penn State, struggled against a mediocre Pitt Team. Who has Wisconsin played? Iowa? Michigan struggled against Army but killed ND, who almost beat SEC juggernaut, Jawja.
Certainly the fact that teams like Syracuse and FSU not living up to expectations play into the perception, but I believe the idea that the ACC is bad is overplayed. I don't think the ACC is good, but it isn't what the "experts" are making it out to be. It's like just about every other conference.
We are just that good.
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All-TigerNet [12984]
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Advanced metrics can rate conferences fairly well
Dec 16, 2019, 8:28 AM
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and the ACC was, by far, dead last in those.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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again...
Dec 16, 2019, 8:31 AM
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1) I'm not propping up the ACC 2) "advanced metrics" - whether science or computerized, has a control
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Oculus Spirit [82745]
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In 2016, the ACC Atlantic was as good as any
Dec 16, 2019, 8:30 AM
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division in the land, and then Louisville lost Lamar, FSU lost Jimbo, and State totally collapsed.
The ACC is awful now, The SEC is the best most years, but totally over-hyped, and Imo, the BIG is the best top to bottom this year.
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Re: In 2016, the ACC Atlantic was as good as any
Dec 16, 2019, 8:38 AM
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Check the schedules and results of the B1G teams. There are quite a few close calls/narrow wins all season, yet we’re told PSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa are ‘Top Ten/Twenty’ wins - indicating 031O State’s ‘Greatness’ - and the reason Fields and Young’s stats ‘just mean more’.
I am not going to totally dismiss the Bucknuts, but I am really looking forward to watching our Tigers play them.
And I feel pretty damb good about it, too.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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that's my point...
Dec 16, 2019, 8:41 AM
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not that I think the ACC is good. It's that none of these conferences are as good or bad as the talking heads say. Conference strength has little to do with top teams.
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Re: so what is the reference point?
Dec 16, 2019, 8:40 AM
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The SEC is a lot better than the ACC. They do have better teams than the ACC where you can get a feel for their teams. Half of the SEC is probably better than Virginia our 2nd best team.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I don't disagree that the SEC is better
Dec 16, 2019, 8:44 AM
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LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and Georgia are better than Virginia.
But I also think the next level is more competive with the remainder than is portrayed. SCar lost to UNC and we know who SCar beat.
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Re: I don't disagree that the SEC is better
Dec 16, 2019, 1:08 PM
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i was torn whether to root for U of SCAR to beat UGA or not. But seeing how they would have shoved UGA into the playoffs without that loss, plus the whole idea of the coots beating Georgia, at Athens - and then NOT EVEN QUALIFYING FOR A BOWL GAME - is so hilarious that it was definitely worth it.
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The top FEW sec teams are better than the ACC (- Clemson)
Dec 16, 2019, 9:00 AM
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Wins over a UF that squeeks by a lousy Miami; blowing out a depleted UGA that lost to uSuC; the LSU-Bama-Auburn circle j***?....?
But the mantra is that the sec is great! Hello uSuC, Vandy, Mizzoo, Ark, Miss, Miss St, Tenn, and aTm.... ijs
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Re: so what is the reference point?
Dec 16, 2019, 12:57 PM
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Not arguing whether the ACC is bad or not, but compared to what?
The SEC just "beats each other up" each week, but would the second and third level teams of the SEC fare much better if they played in the ACC?
Big 10 is "awesome," but one of their cream of the crop teams, Penn State, struggled against a mediocre Pitt Team. Who has Wisconsin played? Iowa? Michigan struggled against Army but killed ND, who almost beat SEC juggernaut, Jawja.
Certainly the fact that teams like Syracuse and FSU not living up to expectations play into the perception, but I believe the idea that the ACC is bad is overplayed. I don't think the ACC is good, but it isn't what the "experts" are making it out to be. It's like just about every other conference.
We are just that good.
Well said franc1968® It's over played. Over-hyped. Over-emphasized.
When you ask about the record the ACC has and look at the match ups. You are talking about the following (((for the most part)))) The TOP OF Other Conferences Mostly The SEC against middle to bottom ACC teams. What conference record would not suck? When FSU, Nancy, Cuse, VT and us were good Sub Nancy with UNC if you want. Have them play the bottom of the PAC 12 or Big 12 or any other conference. Their record would suck. Then people have nerve enough to take Clemson's wins out the equation.
If you are going to tell it. Tell it. Because nobody takes out Alabama beating Duke when the narrative is the other way about "how bad the lowly ACC is"!
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The perceived “gap” between the conferences is not as big
Dec 16, 2019, 1:08 PM
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As people make it out to be. All the talk gets old because it doesn’t really matter. Thank god there is a playoff so we don’t have to see 2 SEC teams rematch for the title anymore.
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This is not about their belief in Clemson...
Dec 16, 2019, 8:44 AM
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...but, about taking back the disrespect card from Dabo. They hope this will instill overconfidence on Clemson's part while shifting the disrespect card to OSU and getting the Buckeyes walking in with an axe to grind.
Their collective view that Clemson did not deserve to be in the CFP is what they truly believe.
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Oculus Spirit [82745]
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Lulz. Hope you’re joking.***
Dec 16, 2019, 10:50 AM
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I've decided to go glutten free.***
Dec 16, 2019, 8:45 AM
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Football TEam Poison
Dec 16, 2019, 1:04 PM
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Sometimes my brain gets to working OT. And this might be the case with the following <-----disclaimer! But, knowing Dabo's efficiency and success using the underdog role as motivation, would they be talking "swell about Clemson" to take some steam out the engine?
I kind of think so. Look, it does not matter what they say, what will happen will happen. But, you don't go from, we don't know if this Clemson team is all that to where they are now over night. You also don't respect any analyst or talking head who does not understand football is the ultimate team game. TL was struggling early with Turnovers and the offense wasn't efficient. We have cleaned it up and are now looking pretty sharp. The rest of the team especially the defense though wasn't struggling at the time. The offense was still putting up points just not at the rate everyone who had anointed TL the 2nd coming wanted. This is his true Sophomore season and people are comparing him to a 23 year old(Burrow) who is being coached by an NFL OC(Brady). We will be just fine here at Clemson! At QB and every other position regardless of this bowl season whether the analyst like us or not!
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Oculus Spirit [93149]
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Tnet overreacts to ESPiN's efforts to excite fans to...
Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 PM
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view games. They just want to present each and every game as a 'must see,' event. If they said, OSU hasn't a snowball's chance in hail of beating Clemson they would confound their purpose.
In the last two years I may have seen three house of ESPiN's analysis. About five years ago I was recording all the CFL and NCAA football specials and FFing through them to see what they had to say about Clemson.
It's quicker to just read about what they say here and that method of keeping up buffers the idiocy on ESPiN a bit.
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