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This is EXACTLY why college football is dying (link)

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Mar 3, 2022, 7:41 AM

And, why I am seriously considering never going to another game

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/georgia-football-nil/WF64WV3BQ5CZ7HXVY4FIIYYZII/


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Mar 3, 2022, 7:53 AM

Instead of trying to get more parity in college football this is a big swing in the other direction. Not sure how they will ever fix this because it’s supposedly legal. Do not see the upside for the average fan but great for the schools and athletes at the certain schools that can keep up.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:36 AM

University sports are for students. Sports are funded by fans who can choose to stop funding and see their favorite teams fail or continue. Pretty simple.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:27 AM

And fail they will most certainly do if you cannot afford the best. We WILL NOT ever compete with Texas and A and M money. If you think that’s good for college football then I guess you are happy.

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Mar 3, 2022, 7:55 AM

I don't like what's happening either, but it's likely that the schools that figure out quickly how to work within this new reality are going to benefit with improvements to win-loss records. I hope the NCAA is looking at ways to get the situation under control although their track record is lacking...

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:34 AM

The NCAA, did not approve the law, the states and Federal government did. The kids have a right to be paid just like you do.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:02 AM

This fckn guy…

And you will be the first on here b*tching about not winning because we cannot keep up the Jones’…The irresponsible and quick approval of NIL with no logical guidance is destroying the game….But it’s ok…At least the handful of schools with tremendous amounts of donors and revenue can pay their guys.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:09 AM

Being paid and paying top dollar to get a recruit is not the same imo. If they deserve to be paid let’s quit giving to Iptay and the kids can flip their own dime for all the money given for tuition and whatever other benefits given to be a student athlete. Little more complex than just pay them. NFL pays but there are caps. This method is asinine at best for good college football going forward unless you are a A&M, Alabama, Texas or Bama fan. Might as well and throw OSU in there as well. Paying is not the real issue here in my opinion. It’s basically the pay to play for the top bidder which is totally different for every university.

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The NCAA has a rule in place that says it can’t be


Mar 3, 2022, 8:42 AM

used for kids to go to a certain school. That is exactly what these are whether legal by state law or not. The NCAA just needs to re-grow the balls they used to have and enforce their own rules with a ####### hammer.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:08 PM

and it won't be the NCAA, puts some guardrails on this. Otherwise it's totally out of control.

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LOL at these two lines...

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:00 AM

NIL deals can’t be used as a direct inducement to recruiting or luring transfers

Schools are not allowed to be directly involved in the NIL process



This is absolutely happening EVERYWHERE !!!!!

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:12 AM

In the end you still have to coach and develop these players. All the money in the world doesn't solve that. Just ask Tennessee and Auburn. And for that matter uosc. The thing I don't think is being considered right now is the distraction that nil deals can and will cause 18 to 22 yr olds

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I'm assuming the NIL deals will be taxed as income?***

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:39 AM

Will it be taxed as "ordinary income" or "capital gains"? Watching the government skim 40% off the top of their NIL deals will be a real eye opener for these youngsters.

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:00 AM

that's why Dabo pushed for the NIL institute on campus to help our players navigate this.

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So who is responsible for collecting or paying the taxes?

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:55 AM

Does the entity who structures the NIL deal withhold the taxes and then pays the Fed and the state, or are the players treated like independent contractors rather than employees where they get a 1090 at the end of the year, and are responsible for filing and paying the taxes. If the latter is the case, I can envision a scenario where many simply don't do it.




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Waiting for the 1st NIL related


Mar 3, 2022, 11:21 AM

IRS arrest of a starter in a playoff game.... sorry, but you're QB didn't pay taxes on his NIL earnings and he'll be spending the playoffs in jail.

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Hey coach...

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Mar 3, 2022, 11:37 AM

I need more NIL money to cover my unpaid taxes.

Coach ABC at the University of XYZ says he can get that paid for me if I transfer.

Just wait for it...it's coming!!!!

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:20 AM

Still easier for me to coach up my guys to beat your guys if I can afford bigger and faster players.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:05 AM

Like everything else happening in our country.
Too much change too soon without enough thought involved.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:05 AM

federal minimum wage hasn't been raised in over 10 years...what's happening too fast?

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:16 AM

Well get a better job then you do not need to worry about it. That’s mostly for kids in entry level jobs not meant to sustain a household. Never has been. Go start you a business and pay someone 15 an hour for work that is not worth 15 dollars for you as a business owner.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:44 AM

You are clearly incredibly out of touch with reality and haven't worked a retail to job to have an understanding of what you are talking about.

If you think that most of the people working at a restaurant or retail store are kids you are as observant as a rock.

You are clearly old enough to remember the show Married with Children. That guy was a shoe salesmen that was able to support a family and it was a believable story line.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:47 AM

Get a better job. No one is holding you back from bettering yourself maybe you are the rock. Minimum wage is entry level normally made by high school kids. Always has been.

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Mar 3, 2022, 2:18 PM

I beg to differ with you-
The Minimum wage level is at $7.75 and any state that that can get away with it will do so to attract business. Their are some people that to do not have the luxury, money or the smarts to go to college and they are hard work people - they have to take what they can fine.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:53 AM

Maybe he sold 200 dollar pairs of shoes. Could careless what Al did on a tv show. Never knew anyone that worked at Pic N Pay as a career choice supporting a household. Can’t imagine anyone ever did. You do understand that drives the cost up on something that is already marked up probably 300%. So you make 15 an hour but in return shoe cost go up 30 bucks. You make what you are worth to a company. Make yourself more valuable.


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Mar 3, 2022, 9:57 AM

the phrase is "couldn't care less"

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:17 AM

The more accurate phrase is, "too few understand how the economy works!"

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Dude - you just used Married with Children as some kinda


Mar 3, 2022, 10:22 AM

measuring stick for minimum wage going to $15 an hour . . . . and you are getting all semantical on someone's use of an often misused phrase . . . .


Hilarious.


Troll on, wonder boy.

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Mar 3, 2022, 12:55 PM

No, Married w/ Children was used as an example that these hourly jobs aren't designed for kids like he assumes.

It was to show that there was a time in American history where services workers were treated with respect.

now its "those jobs are designed for kids so they should just get a better job"

But back them CEO pay to the average employee was about 30 to 1. Now its over 300 to 1. There's plenty of money to be made here but billionaires have convinced millionaires that poor people are trying to take all their money.

Chipolte's CEO gave himself a 138% bonus while simultaneously raising the prices on food to accompany a labor cost increase.

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Mar 3, 2022, 2:41 PM

Did you ever watch "Married With Children"? The entire premise of the show was Al Bundy hated his life. He got zero respect from his family and he hated being a shoe salesman because he got no respect from that either. Are you seriously propping up this show as some kind of reflection on how people used to be valued and respected?

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I seriously can't believe I just TU'd freaking AFLeghumper....


Mar 3, 2022, 3:21 PM

I've gotta go scald myself.

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Mar 3, 2022, 2:11 PM

English major working at Pic N Pay. Who'd a thunk it?

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:55 AM

Out of touch I currently hire folks and deal with budgets I am very familiar with real world economics I assure you.

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:15 AM

FMW in 2012 was $7.25.
Not raised since then ?

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Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM

it hasn't been raised since 2008.

With inflation 7.25 an hr is worth about $5 in 2008 money.

If minimum wage raised with inflation it should be about 10 to have the same value as it did in 2008

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Mar 3, 2022, 11:42 PM

You don’t need a federal MW. The market will dictate what people are willing to work for. And honestly it should be left to the state etc. $15 in NY is not the same as $15 in SC. You cannot get anyone for less than $15 in the Twin Cities it was heading this direction before COVID.

And it is all relative. The wage hike definitely has been part of the issue with the current inflation. That $1 value menu is now gone.

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Mar 3, 2022, 3:15 PM

I don’t mean to hijack this thread but…

I will agree to a nationwide federal minimum wage when the federal government (Medicare) pays me the same amount, for the same service that someone does in New York.

As an example: an initial PT eval in NY is reimbursed $118 by Medicare. The same PT eval in SC is reimbursed $95. Every single procedure code we use is paid at a 20-35% lower rate to me because of geography. Yet, a minimum wage is supposed to be fair across the whole country, regardless of cost of living/geography?

When it cost the government money, they are happy to accept that cost of living is cheaper in SC than NY. When it costs healthcare practitioners they don’t care.

Rant over.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:19 AM

I am glad they are getting paid.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:24 AM

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:30 AM

Athletes were always paid. Except it used to be called a scholarship and was used specifically to attend school. Now they are getting contracts to advertise for businesses. I never bought in to the whole "poor me I am an athlete" line that the NCAA used to sell this terrible idea.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:36 AM

my mistake.. players, coaches, and booster clubs were the ones pushing this terrible idea.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:08 AM

they have been used to advertise products for a long time...now they getting what they deserve out of it.

How many magazine covers was Trevor Lawrence on with a tiger paw and nike swoosh clearly in sight?

How many times was a player interviewed on ESPN with school logos clearly in sight?

How many times have you seen a player holding a branded gatoraid cup on the side line?

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:38 AM

Do we thank the school or thank Trevor? Does he get granted all that publicity if he didn’t play for Clemson. Haven't seen to many high school studs on magazine covers or on ESPN. Don’t underestimate the school without them the player has no platform.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:46 AM

Why would we thank either of them?

Trevor got the publicity he did because of who he was and what he did on the field. His scholarship wasn't charity. He earned it and could have taken his talents anywhere he wanted.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:58 AM

Without Clemson or any other school he gets no pub.


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Mar 3, 2022, 12:49 PM

without the star player - the college gets no pub and sells no tickets, merch, or concessions.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:31 AM

I don't get your point. This looks like a very well thought out idea and will benefit all athletes. We just announced the Academic Success funding and I have no doubt we will hear more programs in the future. College athletics are not dying, times have just changed and if Clemson wants to be a player in any sport, we have to change with it.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:38 AM

his point is not that things are changing but that the changes are bad. Do you think that NIL has changed the sport for the better? Just asking.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:09 AM

How does it change the sport? Are you no longer allowed to run, pass, or kick the ball?

Is grabbing a face mask still a 15 yard penalty?

Do the schools with bigger alumni bases not typically have more funds?

The sport is the same. You are just bitter.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:24 AM

The sport is the same? Well when A and M comes into the Valley with 10 5 stars they paid for because they can and Clemson has 2 then get back with TNet on how the sport is the same. Football is football but I will take my paid players and smash your team and I got a good feeling you will be the bitter one.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:52 AM

LSU had 10 5* players when we upset them in 2012.

UGA had 10 5* players when we upset them in 2013.

OHST had 10 5* players when we upset them in 2013.

Alabama had 10 5* players when we upset them in 2016.

Teams have been upsetting opponents that far exceed their own talent all the time.

I have the full confidence we will continue to compete on a national level in recruiting and on the field.

Worst season in over a decade combined with losing nearly an entire coaching staff and we still managed 10 wins and a top 10 recruiting class.

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:03 AM

This does not happen in 1 season. Give it 5 years and let’s talk again on the parity in college football.

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Mar 3, 2022, 12:50 PM

What parity in college football? Hasn't existed in years

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:28 PM

Do you think Cincinnati would be able to get to the playoffs in 10 years with their smaller alumni base and smaller pool of donors to pay players? What about Boise St. .?? What about Utah? All did pretty well in BCS days.. is was hard then but do you think there is any chance of that now? Yes college football is changed for good.. Minor league NFL. If you don't think big money has the ability to change things.... ask Georgia.. Coaching didn't get them the Championship, but big money and investment did. Clemson is big enough to survive this new age but it will be much harder now.

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UGA had 10 5* players when we upset them in 2013.



Refresh my memory; who were the 10?
I remember Aaron Murray, Keith Marshall, Jordan Jenkins, Ray Drew, and John Theus. Who were the other 5?
Clemson had 5 as well: Tahj Boyd, Sammy Watkins, Tony Steward, Stephone Anthony, and Mackesie Alexander

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:31 PM

You are wasting your time. He doesn't see it and we can't make him.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:18 AM

IMO:

It’s the “we have to change with it” that’s the problem. There will be a lot of fans, particularly the older fans, that will not change, will lose interest and find other things to do.

Combine the alienation of the older donors with the relative apathy toward sports (most notably football) of the younger generations and we could see huge changes in donations, attendance, sales, etc. Will TV money be enough to support college athletics? Will athletes still bother with college if scholarship money dries up?

Reminds me of the fall of several local churches that did everything to cater to teens and concurrently ran the old folks out…they left, took their money with them and the churches failed.

Personally, I give to IPTAY to support scholarships for our athletes. I gave to IPTAY for around 10 years after graduation without even wanting/ordering any tickets. When the scholarships don’t matter, I’ll stop giving…

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Imagine a future...

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:44 AM

where big college sports looks like D3. No one but a few students, parents and the occasional sports lover in the stands. Kids playing because they love the sport and their school. No one outside of a small circle knows or cares. It might be a huge improvement.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:19 AM

Valley your points are very confusing. A&M pays for 10 5 stars for example is that great for the sport when the schools they compete with can’t afford that. Paid is find but where do we find parity.

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:49 AM

Teams’ fan sites. It would be win win. Otherwise this appears disingenuous.

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And this is a a toy why UGA will be better than Clemson in years to come….they are getting in front


Mar 3, 2022, 8:51 AM

Of the NIL game while we are lagging behind

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:55 AM

And jump back over before anyone else sees it. Building their house on sand. Dabo will persevere because he’s doing things the right way. May be tougher at times but in long run he will still stand.

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Why even pretend anymore. Major college football is

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Mar 3, 2022, 8:51 AM

quickly becoming pro football's farm league. It is pro football. Many players have no interest in or intent on attending college classes or getting an education. Many are not capable. They are there to play ball, Period. All sorts of shenanigins and work-arounds are in play to get them in and keep them in. It's been that way forever. Rules, regulations, and requirements have been tweaked and changed and ignored in order to make it all okay. It's all a big lie and we all know it, and have known it forever. Now the final step - open pay to play. Now we're all upset.

Either college football is college students, meaning students who apply to a college/university, have the academic wherewithall, meet all of the requirements, and are accepeted and carry a full class load working toward a legitimate degree and play on the football team, or

You have something else which really isn't college football. Something like what we have now, something like NIL and pay to play.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:08 AM

I have felt this way all along regarding the NIL. Why not just convert the SEC into a semi-pro farm league with its own championship? Remove Vandy from the mix and replace with So Cal and Texas. Then, let them outbid each other for the best HS talent. As opposed to the NFL, there would be no salary cap. Then, be like UNCheat and do not even pretend they need to go to class.

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I hate what is happening and I agree with you. We, as a


Mar 3, 2022, 9:03 AM

whole" are killing something we love. Greed is the ultimate death to society and ends a lot of good things. I hate that MfOjr. will not be able to know college football like we did.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:07 AM

and what we must do is, to the extent we can, starve the beast of college football, and all of it's subsidiary beasts (the schools themselves). But that will be hard emotionally and psychologically for those of us who have grown up culturally and socially attached to the pomp and pageantry and culture of the game as a part of our lives.

I think it's to the point at which we should not give to the athletic department or programs of schools who are doing this type of thing - which soon will be pretty much everyone, in one way or another, nor support them directly in any way.

The next step would be stopping all consuming altogether of the sport, which will be the hardest, but, let's be honest - the most effective were it actually done. If ESPN/ABC/Fox et al, and various other media outlets online started seeing huge viewership and traffic downturns, that would have an effect. I'm not saying it'll really happen, but those of us who truly loathe these developments are going to have to make that leap at some stage.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:10 AM

I'm with you. I may have gone to my last game and if I hadn't already given a sizable sum to IPTAY, I would strongly consider not donating a cent.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:18 AM

College Football is thriving.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:45 AM

The SEC and Big Ten are thriving no doubt. I guess if we get 25 mill a year and the SEC gets 50 mill per team how is that sustainable for parity. College football will not be thriving for the average fan of most schools that can’t keep up with the schools that can buy top notch talent. Get back with me in about 5 years and let’s revisit who is actually thriving. If it’s thriving then why screw it up.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:23 AM

When the "student" athletes are getting a free education, best coaching, best food, best housing, on TV every week, get to play the game they love, and on top of that make as much or more money than the people watching them in the stands, I have no reason to pay $100.00 plus for tickets. This country has gone nuts with it's liberal thinking.
Just my opinion.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:30 AM

Will fall behind and never catch up.

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:07 AM

Agreed! Very simple to understand for 90 percent of the folks on this thread.

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:44 AM

Frankly this doesn't seem as bad for competition as the money differences of being in one conference or another. At least as a Fan I can choose to give to my teams collective. I can compete. I could build the best facilities for football in the country and Vandy would still get more TV revenue though.

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Just because the interest level in last year's NCG was low..

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:10 AM

doesn't mean CFB is dying.

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Mar 3, 2022, 10:10 AM

Rather than whine, our boosters need to be following suit. Like it or not, it's the new normal. Adapt or lose.

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Mar 3, 2022, 11:06 AM

Too onerous for these entertainer types to have to attend class with those who pay their way.

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Mar 3, 2022, 3:22 PM

So, what have you done? Or do you mean “other” boosters?

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recruiting or luring transfers..."


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Re: This is EXACTLY why college football is dying (link)

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Mar 3, 2022, 9:11 PM

This cancerous genie is out of the bottle. It doesn't looks like anyone is trying to put in back in. The game will become increasingly unrecognizable and unwatchable with ESecPN and Disney leading the charge further down the money-driven gutter. Given this, I predict we get 4 to 5 more years of Dabo before he quits.

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