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McMaster really channeled his inner-Trump....
May 14, 2021, 8:42 AM
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I find myself agreeing, in principle, with the decisions made, but at odds with the way they were implemented/discussed/framed.
McMaster's decision to not allow local authorities to use his emergency order as a basis for mask mandates was fine. But why announce it effective immediately and not coordinate it with state and local education authorities and local governments?
Why effectively force schools systems to drop mask requirements in the middle of the week, right before school ends, with no warning? Heck, he could have even made it effective starting the next week to at least give the schools a chance to change the regs. Instead, you had school staff trying to follow existing rules and parents hearing mask mandates were rescinded and sending their kids to school without masks. Self-inflicted CF.
Also, McMaster announced ending federal covid unemployment supplement by end of June. He called it a federal entitlement and road to socialism (always have to work in socialism).
“Those businesses that have survived … now face an unprecedented labor shortage … What was intended to be a short-term financial assistance for the vulnerable and displaced during the height of the pandemic has turned into a dangerous federal entitlement, incentivizing and paying workers to stay at home rather than encouraging them to return to the workplace.”
Well sir, the latest federal covid unemployment supplements were optional for states. YOU/SC chose to accept them. I agree with his sentiment and believe they should be stopped. In fact, they should be stopped at the end of May, not end of June. Further, the last round shouldn't have been accepted in the first place.
Where is someone in the press asking why McMaster chose to accept the supplements up to now, but now they're the road to socialism?
Again...agree with the general action, but the framing is dishonest and the execution sucks.
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I agree, but have struggled with how to formulate that
May 14, 2021, 8:52 AM
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in my mind. I've been supportive of the governor throughout, and think he's done a good job. Lately, his tone has been much more political, which is disappointing to me. Why is the governor of South Carolina talking about socialism? I'd rather they at least leave that partisan bickering to the guys in Washington, and at the state level, focus on the good of the people of the state.
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Trump has ruined the GOP, not that it was viable before.
May 14, 2021, 9:44 AM
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But there's now a mini-civil war in the party over the populist right wingers, and the more traditional and rational conservatives. The left has always had their nutcases, and in recent years they've risen to power. The GOP is following suit. And it's bad for America. It's bad for our country to have politicians acting like this. Usurping power, extending authority. McMaster totally bypassed the structural barriers established to prevent a governor from having too much power in his order. Don't care about the issue. He overstepped the state superintendent of education, who as she indicated, is in a constitutionally mandated office and is exempt from direct control by the governor. This is in place to prevent governors from enacting curriculum guidelines through an EO, for example. He also blew right by the barriers established to keep governors from micromanaging local matters, by bypassing the rights of local towns, cities, and counties to make their own rules. WHILE PREVIOUSLY, he refused a mask mandate as THAT WAS BEYOND HIS AUTHORITY AND MUST BE HANDLED LOCALLY.
The optics of it are very bad. He centralized power in the guise of "allowing choice" and in the name of freedom. Functionally, it's similar in what they did to legalize abortion, and remove that issue form the states. Same with gay marriage. Another authority reserved to the states, not in the Constitution and as such reserved to the states, that was made into a right, and a choice, so that power could be taken from them and control of the issue ceded to Washington.
This is why I didn't like Trump. I saw past the issues, past his rhetoric, and watched his leadership. It was bad news. And this bad news is spreading.
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If a locality wants to have a mask mandate...
May 14, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Why should a higher government official override that? I agree, that's overstepping. Why not just let the locality do what they want? If the people don't like it, those localities should have a democratic process for addressing that.
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It's a complete 180 from earlier, when things got bad and
May 14, 2021, 10:11 AM
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he refused to enact a statewide mask mandate. His excuse then was he didn't have that authority, and the issue should be handled locally, as it was in their power to do so, and they should. He even "urged" localities to enact mask mandates in a prior EO. Then went on to order them in state offices, etc.
Now he's done a complete 180. Things are good, and he's now saying he GAVE localities the authority in his prior EO where he URGED them to enact ordinances, and as such, he now taketh away. DeSantis did the same thing in Florida to localities. However, in Florida, DeSantis didn't override the education structure like McMaster did.
I personally don't care if it's over local car taxes, education curriculum, or anything else. The issue isn't the problem. The power grab is. Let's say Charleston County has some local environmental code and Honda wants to build a plant there and it would be in violation of Charleston County's code. He can just issue an EO saying he is removing Charleston County's authority to enact THAt environmental regulation? Maybe he wants a curriculum change in the schools. So he issues an EO directing the schools what to teach?
So much bad is done in the name of good, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What's to stop a dem governor from doing something different? He can now. Like when the Senate changed the filibuster rules when some party was in power. Then they decried the same usurpation of power when a different party was in power. Same thing.
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I had that impression at first too....
May 14, 2021, 9:56 AM
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and then I read the order.
The order says that his emergency declaration cannot be used as the basis for a mask mandate. It doesn't directly forbid local mask mandates...they just have to justify them (if required) another way.
I don't know enough about local gov power in SC to say that they do or don't have the power to require masks be worn without some declaration from the Governor. My guess is that locals governments and schools do have the power to still require masks, if they want to, but that it could require new authorizations/votes if existing requirements leaned on the emergency declaration from the Governor.
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Same problem w/DeSantis prohibiting any use of hypothetical
May 14, 2021, 4:04 PM
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vaccine passports, even by private businesses. He basically just made it harder for businesses that wanted to be more open, except incrementally so that the virus wouldn't spread at their business or event, to go ahead and open up a little more. Now, it's allow unvaccinated people to potentially spread disease, or nothing. There's lots of virtue signaling on the right happening now, too.
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yep...and the same people that call themselves...
May 14, 2021, 4:12 PM
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conservatives and got all hung up on the cases like the bakery and the gay wedding and Hobby Lobby and insurance who would say that they support the right of private business to run their business as they like...in the same breath would praise DeSantis for his vaccine passport order.
Unfortunately, it seems too many people have the team mentality and/or worship of the deliverer of the message and don't think about actual issues, let alone consistency.
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Re: McMaster really channeled his inner-Trump....
May 14, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Yep. The overall sentiment, good. The execution? Terrible. A classic case of a clown playing politics but pretending he's being altruistic.
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Re: McMaster really channeled his inner-Trump....
May 14, 2021, 11:19 AM
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I agree. Please give me months to figure out how to take a mask off.
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Re: McMaster really channeled his inner-Trump....
May 14, 2021, 12:20 PM
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A little elbow grease, and it should come right off, no problem.
Don't leave it on so long next pandemic, though. Six months, tops. A year is just nasty.
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Re: McMaster really channeled his inner-Trump....
May 14, 2021, 11:40 AM
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It created un-needed confusion for absolutely no gain...
May 14, 2021, 2:25 PM
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even if you say you agree with him forcing mask mandates in schools to go away right at the end of the school year, why not at least give the schools a head's up or 1-2 days to get ready. No...I don't think it was earth-shattering confusion, but I think it was a pain in the #### for teachers and school admins...especially when viewed in the context of the day-to-day struggles they have had enforcing mask wearing. And for what real gain? The kids couldn't wait 1-2 more days?
And the Federal unemployment supplements just re-upped in March and were optional for the states. His statements blaming the federal government and claiming a road to socialism is idiotic when viewed in the light of he/SC could have not accepted it in the beginning and/or stopped it at any point up to now. SC didn't need the supplements then either. The state was essentially at the same level of "open-ness" as it is now. Why did he accept it then?
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