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West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:08 AM
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why on earth would we want them in the ACC
they offer nothing ...........
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Absolutely NOTHING!!!
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It seems...
Aug 3, 2021, 9:24 AM
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the folks who are opposed to adding West Virginia are the same people who advocate for adding schools like UCF, USF, UConn, Rutgers, Memphis, Cincinnati, and Navy.
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I don't get the fascination with most of those schools.
Aug 3, 2021, 12:40 PM
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I'd prefer West Virginia to any of the schools on your list besides Cincinnati and UConn.
West Virginia brings slightly more to the table than Memphis or Rutgers.
West Virginia brings way more to the table than UCF or USF.
Navy can't compete in the ACC, so they are a horrible suggestion.
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Re: I don't get the fascination with most of those schools.
Aug 4, 2021, 10:23 AM
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West Virginia would not be a bad pick up out of what is available. UCONN would be weak.
Cincinnati also would be a good pick up for what is also available. Would love to see Penn State but we all know that is a pipe dream.
You all laugh at Rutgers, on the field yes not that great but does bring in the NJ TV market, but I don't see us getting them to leave the BIG10. And with Schiano back as their head coach watch how they get better and better each year. NJ has tons of football talent and the player like to play for him. Plus he can recruit. Look what he did the first time there, he won't leave Rutgers again either until he retires. While people think Rutgers would not be a good get, and I used to think that way also being from NJ a long time ago, Rutgers would be a good addition now.
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Re: I don't get the fascination with most of those schools.
Aug 4, 2021, 10:52 AM
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I don't think Rutgers would be bad, but I think UConn adds more to the table.
I perceive UConn having a larger fan base than Rutgers. I also like UConn's basketball tradition.
They would obviously need to significantly improve their football, but as a large state school with no notable football programs in the region other than BC and Syracuse, their ceiling is high.
Again, UConn isn't ideal, but I'd prefer them over most of the schools mentioned in these discussions.
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uconn, rutgers... please don't lobby for the ACC comisioner
Aug 4, 2021, 11:10 AM
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job. We've got enough clinger-ons as it is. No shank you.
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I don't want either in the ACC.
Aug 4, 2021, 12:44 PM
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My point is that they would be decent options if we had to round out the conference after ruling in or ruling out better choices such as Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.
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Re: It seems...
Aug 3, 2021, 2:57 PM
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Yes the love affair with some on here with those wannabe's UCF and USF boggles my mind.
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I've decided it's because UCF had a couple of really good
Aug 4, 2021, 10:53 AM
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seasons recently, and because Jeff Scott is now at USF.
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UCF would be absolute morons to join a bigger conference
Aug 4, 2021, 11:08 AM
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if they increase the playoff to 12 teams they'll be in it every year if they continue their undefeated ways.
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Does any of this animosity towards WVU
Aug 3, 2021, 9:39 AM
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Stem from 70-33?
Thats in the past ... gotta let it go
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I get the impression...
Aug 3, 2021, 9:40 AM
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that its largely due to their poor academic rankings.
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Re: I get the impression...
Aug 3, 2021, 12:31 PM
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They are worse than UL?
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Yes, they are worse than Louisville.
Aug 3, 2021, 12:53 PM
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U.S. News & World Report ranks Louisville #176 among national universities, whereas they rank West Virginia #241.
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What do mountain ears even mean?
Aug 3, 2021, 9:42 AM
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You can hear the coal. Its not intimidating at all!
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:46 AM
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Why add any school? If your friend jumps off the roof are you going to jump off too?
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College Football fans ACC versus the SEC
Aug 4, 2021, 12:39 PM
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The ACC does not have the fan viewership numbers or fans going to the stadiums like the SEC does that is because mostly our larger TV markets are North East and those states are not college sport fans mostly, they mainly love the NFL and Hockey. The ACC doesn't have to expand we just need better fan viewership from the northern schools and better quality team play, that would help the most with revenue not adding some more schools with no fan investment. If you basically flipped the conferences around and the SEC had the same school from the northeast nothing would be any different far as the quality of play. Money does alot but one thing it doesn't do is win goes by itself. If the ACC wants to best the SEC you got to but better product on the field week in and week out and be willing to invest more into your sports programs at your school. Clemson has used Dabo's all in literally in there sports programs and that why Clemson has improved greatly over the last decade.
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in terms of money (which is the sole reason for expansion)
Aug 3, 2021, 10:40 AM
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probably not...but they would be a massive upgrade in terms of competition....certainly moreso than Pitt, Syracuse and BC. At least they have passionate fans
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Are they really an upgrade compared to Pitt, Cuse, and BC?
Aug 3, 2021, 10:50 AM
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I haven't researched it at all, but I do recall WVU having a ten win season about 5 or 6 years ago. Otherwise, they seem like a perennial 6 to 8 win team to me. Wouldn't that be fairly comparable to Pitt, Cuse, and BC?
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Im thinking more on the lines of perception/fan experience..
Aug 3, 2021, 12:16 PM
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its alot more exciting to play WVU (bc their fan base cares) than it is their former Big East counterparts. On the football field, probably not much different than the others over a period of time.
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they offer
Aug 3, 2021, 10:40 AM
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Orange Bowl revenge!!!!!
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 11:09 AM
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I agree there are much bigger names out there but 1. They offer fans who actually go to games unlike Wake, Pitt, Miami, Duke, GT. I’m sure there are others to add to the list.
Now they aren’t “ACC material” from an academic standpoint but Clements came from WV so they can’t all be bad.
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There are much bigger names out there?
Aug 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Like who?
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*** crickets chirping ******
Aug 3, 2021, 12:00 PM
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Duh.
Aug 3, 2021, 12:55 PM
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Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc.
Because those schools will willingly leave the Big 10 to join the ACC.
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While we're at it, let's invite the New England Patriots***
Aug 3, 2021, 1:06 PM
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Great idea.
Aug 3, 2021, 1:57 PM
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I'm sure they will leave the NFL for the ACC.
They're even in the ACC's geographic footprint! 
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Re: There are much bigger names out there?
Aug 3, 2021, 1:35 PM
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Not any that we can add at this moment but things can change. I’d rather the ACC wait than add WVU but they are a better option than some of our current members.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 12:14 PM
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because they are good in FB and Basketball and have a very passionate fan base. Great game day atmosphere. The negative is their academics, but I believe those have improved the last 10 years.
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I know the ACC turns their nose up at alot of schools
Aug 3, 2021, 12:25 PM
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when it comes to academics but does it really have any impact on the decision making anymore? At this point TV revenue is so massive nothing else really matters. Add in NIL, the portal and accelerated learning...the traditional 4 year athlete model doesn't really exist on a broad scale much anymore. Whether a D-1 school is ranked 155 or 5th, it makes zero difference for the average fan watching a football game.
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Academics still matter...
Aug 3, 2021, 12:34 PM
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to the B1G, the Pac 12, and the ACC.
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They might matter...but I dont think its a deal breaker...
Aug 3, 2021, 2:40 PM
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by any means. The money is more important in determining expansion.
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I don't know !!!
Aug 3, 2021, 3:54 PM
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The powers that be in the ACC have ALWAYS been proud of the leagues academic reputation.
It remains to be seen if that changes under the new leadership but I doubt it will.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 12:28 PM
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why on earth would we want them in the ACC
they offer nothing ...........
It would seem that you offer nothing of substance if this is your stance. WVA offers passion which is something sorely lacking in ACC football. They hate Pitt and VT who also hates them. Its must see tv when they play. Unlike the tobacco road teams they give a crap about football.
In terms of their academics, their charter is to provide a college education for folks in a very poor area. They are not about the high brow academics of UVA or Duke as they simply want to educate people to make life better in their state. I for one salute this mission and wonder why its an issue for so many people?
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:14 PM
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It would be a loss for the ACC if the SEC added West Va. I'd add a state university since they fit well and are close to other members. They have some decent academics and medical programs.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:49 PM
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No way the SEC adds WVU. I still think we end up in the SEC with Miami and Florida State, plus one more non-ACC team. That said, if the ACC did add WVU, I would definitely be down to travel to the first game in Morgantown. We owe them a beat-down and I’m sure the game will be a wild scene.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 12:31 PM
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Because of the pies. Pies are good.
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Not so fast my friend.
Aug 3, 2021, 12:37 PM
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They offer:
-Coonskin hats
-Couch burning
-Moonshining
What's not to like?
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Not sure which is worse...
Aug 3, 2021, 1:01 PM
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tequila or moonshine.
Both are vile and disgusting.
Might as well be drinking nail polish remover or acetone.
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Re: Not sure which is worse...
Aug 3, 2021, 10:35 PM
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WVU used to have a nitrous oxide bar in the late ‘90’s,, no way it can still be there. Little s-hole place in the Sunnyside neighborhood, if I recall. I was visiting a buddy and he mentioned it as we were walking by. Didn’t believe it, but had to check it out. Lost a couple brain cells that afternoon.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 2:04 PM
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Arrogant and naive. 70-33. Until you guys revenge that understand you are a "Nick Saban retirement" and "Dabo going home" away from being average again.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 2:09 PM
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Lol. Nothing to revenge - you are not relevant. Your cute little 70-33 drove us to two national titles so thank you
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 2:34 PM
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Sheewww. 70-33 wasn't cute. It was a beat down. I also rooted for Clemson in their NC games. I pay tuition for two of my children to attend Clemson. Saying WVU isn't relevant is exactly what I called it. Arrogant and Naive. You're a Nick Saban retirement and Dabo going home from coming back down to earth. There is lots of good history and tradition at WVU. Neal Brown is building on that better than Holgerson could have. They are the best option for the ACC if you guys are not planning on leaving to the SEC. Penn State isn't leaving the Big 10 to join the ACC and lose out on AAU research grant money.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 4, 2021, 9:59 AM
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How’s Major Harris? That Gator Bowl was one of my favorite Bowls that I have attended. Unfortunately, it wasn’t much of a game after the first half. Tigers ate him up.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 4, 2021, 10:26 AM
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How’s Major Harris? That Gator Bowl was one of my favorite Bowls that I have attended. Unfortunately, it wasn’t much of a game after the first half. Tigers ate him up.
Yes you guys got the better off him. However not as bad as when Geno Smith and Tavon Austin hung 70 on you. It's 1-1 now. Would love to see it become a yearly thing. You got to agree it would be much more fun than playing Wake Forest and Duke.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 2:34 PM
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Sheewww. 70-33 wasn't cute. It was a beat down. I also rooted for Clemson in their NC games. I pay tuition for two of my children to attend Clemson. Saying WVU isn't relevant is exactly what I called it. Arrogant and Naive. You're a Nick Saban retirement and Dabo going home from coming back down to earth. There is lots of good history and tradition at WVU. Neal Brown is building on that better than Holgerson could have. They are the best option for the ACC if you guys are not planning on leaving to the SEC. Penn State isn't leaving the Big 10 to join the ACC and lose out on AAU research grant money.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 5:41 PM
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At least you have something to holding on to. Good for you.
Read my other post. I think WV would add way more than some of our current schools, but if you think adding WV to the ACC is going to somehow hold it together and increase TV money you are wrong.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 8:24 PM
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At least you have something to holding on to. Good for you.
Read my other post. I think WV would add way more than some of our current schools, but if you think adding WV to the ACC is going to somehow hold it together and increase TV money you are wrong.
Notre Dame isn't joining a conference full time IMO. Add WVU and one other and renegotiate the TV contract. It's already undervalued. As far as holding onto to something that's not what I'm doing. I'm pointing out the fact our Football Teams have played twice. 1-1. Our Basketball teams have played 5 times. WVU leads 4-1. WVU has played for a NC. They have a young Head Coach that is building the Program like Dabo did. They have a fan base that supports them. So we agree they would be better than a lot of your current members. If this stays at a 4x16 conference model then WVU would help the ACC Conference. If the SEC keeps expanding you guys are probably moving there and then this doesn't matter. I'm still learning how the format on this site works so some of my comments were directed at the wrong posters.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 10:24 PM
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Oh, I agree - ND is not joining the ACC. I'd be shocked. If the ACC can find a way to hold itself together I'd rather stay right where we are, but the future for the ACC doesn't look great without finding a way to add a big name - no offense to WVU.
Who knows how all this will shake out. I'd rather we not go to the $EC but if the ACC is going to sink I'd rather we not be on that ship.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 9:56 PM
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Let's be honest, the ACC is in a tough spot. Great if Penn State and ND would join the conference. Probably not going to happen. What's left to bring more TV money to the conference. Does WV, UCF or Cincinnati or whoever bring more TV money? Does the ACC try to merge with another conference? Does Clemson try to move to the SEC? Does the ACC get better by bringing in some of the Big 12 teams? Tough questions, critical times for the ACC and everyone but the SEC. NIL has changed everything, how much money can you pay your players? The players going forward are being paid. Maybe not directly but how much money they get will effect recruiting.
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Might be a source of income for some of our board Dentists..***
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I'm not sold on West Virginia
Aug 3, 2021, 10:31 PM
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But I'm on board with: West By God Virginia.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 4, 2021, 8:27 AM
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WVU adds more than Syracuse and BC for sure. Likely add more than Pitt, UL and WF.
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Re: West Virginia
Aug 4, 2021, 10:36 AM
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The path is to offer ESPN something they don't have... like sec did with Texas and OU. And that is with Penn St. I dont know if PennSt has any interest, BUT ESPN might pony up to pull them from fox and the B1G.
You go to ESPN and say "what would our TV contract look like, per team, with ND and PennSt.
You offer PennSt and ND some other perks to make them feel special along with an eye popping number and you see if they bite.
WVU would be the 2nd tier behind Penn St along with Okla St maybe of who would be #16.
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they don't offer much but the other options are hideous.
Aug 4, 2021, 11:06 AM
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WVU offers at least competition in most D1 sports. WE could have done without Pitt,BC,Cuse but we chose them which was real dumb. Those (3) offer way less than WVU. WVU is at least a perennial Top 25 competitor as well as a fit in terms of geography.
If they came into the Coastal they would win it probably every year in football and maybe even basketball. Who else you got that is even a remote possibility?
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BC was a better football program than we were
Aug 4, 2021, 12:47 PM
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when they joined the ACC.
Syracuse and Pitt added excellent basketball and decent football when they were added.
I think all three were good additions at the time. Obviously, they have not performed like we hoped they would, but neither has Miami or Virginia Tech - two others that were great additions at the time.
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