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ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
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ESPN has an article on its premium platform that references Clemson several times when talking about Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Miami and Michigan State.
Cowboys coach Mike Gundy had interesting quote in it:
Whether they say it publicly, these teams want to become the next Clemson, which, after zero AP top-15 finishes between 1991 and 2012, successfully made the jump to Tier 1 starting in 2015. The school poured in money into coach Dabo Swinney, his staff, facilities and other infrastructure elements of the program. Clemson went from a frequent Top 25 finisher to an annual top-four team.
"The one school that's changed considerably over the last six or eight years is Clemson," Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy told ESPN. "Clemson's always had tradition, they had won a national championship [in 1981], but I say this respectfully, they had a number of years where they weren't really as noticeable. For about 20 years, we didn't see Clemson the way we see them now.
"They came up with a marketing plan; they liked [coach] Dabo [Swinney]; they started doing all these things to raise money and build facilities. They enhanced their recruiting, had a few good years, pumped a ton of money in it. They established themselves."
https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/34064287/miami-three-other-football-programs-poised-change-their-reputations-make-serious-jump
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Orange Blooded [3925]
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There is only ONE Clemson and it is us! Thankful for it.
Jun 14, 2022, 10:50 AM
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I guess it is nice that other programs admire what Clemson football has accomplished and they want to emulate what has happened where the Blue Ridge yawns it greatness.
Many of the factors that make Clemson special just cannot be replicated.
Go Tigers!!! See you at the top of The Hill.
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They have no clue why Clemson is successful….***
Jun 14, 2022, 10:51 AM
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this ^^^***
Jun 14, 2022, 11:26 AM
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How do you have a "next Clemson" when the original is still
Jun 14, 2022, 10:52 AM
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here?
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 10:56 AM
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So the best minds in the sport of football think it takes money for staff and facilities to reach the top? According to the circle of basketball haters all it takes to reach the top if finding the right coach. Who knew that was not the solution?
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:28 AM
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ok cbb. don’t be jelly.
one more season and then you get to go cry elsewhere.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:32 AM
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I have been here since 2003 so you can look forward to trolling my posts for many years to come good Lord willing...
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:39 AM
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Dabo's successful tilt for the program came prior to the investment ramping up - as Gundy's quote describes. "They had a marketing plan" = VISION. "They liked Dabo", i.e. a personable coach people could relate to and rally behind. "They had a couple of good years" and then "poured a ton of money into it." Now look at the program.
Not a soul on here says it is only the coach in basketball and not resources that will turn the corner for us. But without the right coach, no amount of money is going to make a difference. Twelve years in, it's obvious that we don't have the right coach. We simply have a caretaker. We can and should do better than this.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:56 AM
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We must be reading different boards. Only yesterday one of our esteemed posters stated the fact that we had to rebuild LJ because it was about to fall in counted as investment for player amenities. Others suggest almost on the daily that CBB needs to be replaced to fix our program with no mention of additional investment. When additional investment is mentioned (as stated in Neff's letter) is is outright dismissed and whoever mentions it is attacked. If you dont believe me then simply scroll over to the basketball board.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 12:33 PM
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Posters don't have to mention additional investment when lobbying for Brad's exit as no amount of money will fix Brad. If anything, many of us would like to see Brad's overpriced salary distributed to more productive parts of the program than his pocket.
The LJ renovations most definitely improved practice and player areas in the process. Are you actually saying they didn't? Brad was part of that process. Did he fail there also by not getting improvements in those areas?
Lastly, name one single Clemson athletic program that you are aware of that is having its budget cut, reduced, or frozen under Neff. Hm? They are all growing in expenses and expenditures, i.e., additional investment. Yet only our basketball coach and his followers peddle that as an excuse for poor results?
Puh-leaze.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 12:58 PM
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So you think more spending to keep up with inflation is the same as investing in the program? Sorry but i dont think i can help you given the mindset.
Yes we built a basic practice facility when LJ was renovated. The problem is recruits drive past many other schools with similar facilities and much better basketball history. So with the renovation what did we build to catch the attention of recruits that every other school does not offer? Without a winning tradition, no history of putting guys in the league, no chance of a championship how should a coach differentiate Clemson on the recruiting trail? Maybe Dabo will let them come over in the off season and use the slide...
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 1:25 PM
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"Without a winning tradition, no history of putting guys in the league, no chance of a championship how should a coach differentiate Clemson on the recruiting trail?"
Brad has had 12, count them, 12 years to establish a winning tradition, put guys in the league, and deliver a chance for a championship. He never once got us even to an ACC semi-final. LOL so hard.
We've entrusted Brown L with this program for over a decade and we are worse off in every single one of your history-defining program metrics, including fan support based on our steadily dwindling attendance numbers, despite having invested more in his salary, staff, and our facilities than any prior coach by far over the past 40 years.
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Baja ha ha, they’ll never
Jun 14, 2022, 11:23 AM
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catch us. They can’t see what’s plainly in front of them. Not a single mention of the something in these hills or the Oculus. Our dominance will continue.
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good luck OKSt.. UGA has been trying to become a CLemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:30 AM
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for decades... and keep coming up short. IT isn't an easy task.
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Too Funny
Jun 14, 2022, 11:57 AM
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ESECPN wants to copyright a road map on, “How to fake your way into being genuine”.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:43 AM
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Let's be honest. Even Ohio State and Bama were lost in the woods too around mid to later 90's through the 00's. Still remember the bucknuts losing to the coots and Lou Holtz in two Outback Bowls in a row.
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:50 AM
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RickyC78 "don't you lose my number" got the Secret Sauce everyjuan else was missing....
.... CLEMSON has the OCULUS!!!
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 11:51 AM
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I do not see another program becoming another clemson. The media loves to reveal a fake. So if you are faking to be like someone else it will come up. Dabo’s faith is constantly being viewed to see if they can call him out on being fake. Just one example.
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Now THAT is funny right there. NO school had more dollars
Jun 14, 2022, 12:10 PM
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donated by wealthy boosters more than T. Boone Pickens gave Oklahoma State. Of his record total of over 1 BILLION total dollars, at least ~$265,000,000 was directly to the Athletic Department. He was basically trying to buy Okie State's way past Oklahoma in the Big 12.
He's probably in the Genghis world records book, for crikey's sake!
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Re: Now THAT is funny right there. NO school had more dollars
Jun 14, 2022, 12:28 PM
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That’s what I was thinking. The amount of money poured into athletics by Pickens I would think dwarf what Clemson has had donated. Maybe I’m wrong, but 10 or 20 years ago there was generational oil money coming into Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. 3 out of 4 of those schools have just managed to muck it up better than most
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You're right and its paid off to a degree....
Jun 14, 2022, 1:55 PM
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OK St is much better now than they've ever been and they are largely consistent year to year in competing for the Big 12 title. They had that one season where they probably should have played for it all and were close a few years back. Gundy is stuck in a small market state with one of the best programs of all time who has also stayed at the top during his entire tenure there.
Clemson itself is a desirable option for kids around the country and add Dabo and his program to it....its a major advantage others cannot compete with. I dont think Stillwater and East Lansing have that appeal, lol.
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T. Boone must be rolling over in his grave now.
Jun 14, 2022, 1:12 PM
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“WHAT MORE DID I NEED TO GIVE YOU, MULLETBOY?!?”
~JKB
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^^^ That’s the d@mn truth ^^^***
Jun 14, 2022, 5:27 PM
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Re: ESPN: Oklahoma St. among programs trying to be next Clemson
Jun 14, 2022, 1:27 PM
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In order to emulate Clemson the school needs to have high academic standing, must have a sizable on-campus stadium and have a campus/city that coaches families can appreciate (pretty, good shopping, good schools, safe).
Oklahoma State is acceptable academically, has a super stadium, has shopping in OKC not hopelessly far away, is safe, has good schools but is down a lot on pretty. Texas A&M is the same. I don’t know much about Michigan State but I perceive safety would be a notch less … plus it isn’t a warm place. Miami is down a notch on safety also, and needs an on-campus stadium. Miami also has some serious national champion history. Of the four schools listed, Miami is the best chance says me to elevate up to our level.
Virginia, though, is where I think a top level situation similar to Clemson has the best chance to be built.
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Credit to Dabo ...
Jun 14, 2022, 3:28 PM
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.. in his first press conference he said, "we don't want to be like anyone else, we want everyone to want to be like Clemson" ... and now he has accomplished that. Everyone wants to be Clemson.
The problem is, they don't understand that to be like Clemson, you have to have a culture and fanbase like Clemson. THAT is the secret sauce and even though Dabo tells everyone about what he's doing, it's hard to improve on the Original recipe!
Hat's off Dabo! Leading a program the "right way" is what it's all about.
GO TIGERS!!
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T Boone Pickens poured millions into that place. Maybe Gundy
Jun 14, 2022, 5:26 PM
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just isn’t capable of getting to the top.
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