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All-TigerNet [10431]
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They are simply a better program and that should come as a
Mar 3, 2013, 4:56 PM
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revelation to no one.
We were a better program for the most part up until about a dozen or so years ago and then they begin to catch us. For several years we were then even, and then about 3-4 years ago they vaulted ahead of us and there's no denying it.
Anyway, call me Captain Obvious I guess.
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Re: They are simply a better program and that should come as a
Mar 3, 2013, 4:58 PM
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They have been better for more than 3/4 years
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All-TigerNet [10431]
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You're probably right, it's probably been slightly more than
Mar 3, 2013, 5:07 PM
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that.
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CU Medallion [61702]
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But, but, but, ... we had the No. 5 recruiting class
Mar 3, 2013, 4:59 PM
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Maybe it will pay off, maybe not ... If we are in the same place in the next couple of years, we will KNOW where the problem lies.
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Die-Hard [8977]
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They also have out-spent Clemson...
Mar 3, 2013, 4:59 PM
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by about 20 million dollars over the last 5 or 6 years.
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CU Medallion [61702]
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And, Obama has outspent EVERYONE, and our country
Mar 3, 2013, 5:00 PM
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is no better.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: And, Obama has outspent EVERYONE, and our country
Mar 3, 2013, 5:02 PM
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AND BROKE!!
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Re: And, Obama has outspent EVERYONE, and our country
Mar 3, 2013, 5:07 PM
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We were broke before Obama stepped foot in office. Of course he has made it much worse.
Back to baseball, I think it's time to move on from Jacklegg. Much like we did with Tommy. Thank him and move on. Even if he is great and all that, at this point where our athletics are with what's been going on with football against them, we need a culture shock in that clubhouse. I think it's starting to happen with football but baseball seems to be lacking in that department all around.
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Re: Nice dodge...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:08 PM
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Does our recruiting suck?
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Re: Nice dodge...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:12 PM
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No, but neither does our baseball team. They just can't get over the hump against a team that finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in the nation the last three years. Throwing the coach under the bus for that is ridiculous, especially when it is painfully obvious that South Carolina has made such a larger commitment to their baseball program than Clemson has. Jack's failing, if he has one, isn't on the field. It is in failing to convince the powers that be to respond accordingly when Carolina Stadium was announced.
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Re: Nice dodge...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:16 PM
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So then what does facilities have to do anything? If our recruiting does suck and we have talent, why are facilities used as an excuse? Facilities only help recruiting.
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Re: Nice dodge...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:19 PM
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Because we have a great coach and still recruit competitively but it is hard to recruit at the most elite level - much less shut other people out. South Carolina is a talent rich baseball state. What is Clemson's argument over SC for a recruit now. If they're not from a Clemson family it's a hard sell. It will also cost them more to come to Clemson.
Here are facility numbers iI pulled up yesterday. please tell me you think these investments mean nothing: We built Doug Kingsmore with a $1 million gift in 2004. FSU spent $12 million just 4 years later. Carolina spent $35 million on Carolina Stadium. These are not minor discrepancies. I know we've spent some more money - but not at the pace other schools are. Virginia dedicated their baseball stadium in 2002 then sunk another $4.5 million in less than 8 years later. North Carolina spent $29.5 million on an expansion in 2008. They spent a $1 million donation on the courtyard alone.
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Didn't the WestZone help the football program?...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:24 PM
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facilities show how important a school thinks a sport is. For the most part, the schools that spend the most win the most. That isn't universally true, but lack of spending pretty much guaratees you won't succeed.
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Uh, I think I donated $250 this past year on improvements to
Mar 3, 2013, 5:10 PM
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DKS and quit a bit more to IPTAY. It better matter.
By the way, I see you donate to TigerNet. Do you also not donate to IPTAY?
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Die-Hard [8977]
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I don't donate to TigerNet...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:13 PM
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and what's you're seeing from some of these posters today is why. I do donate to IPTAY (in fact, I more than doubled my contribution for 2013) and have made a contribution to the Doug Kingsmore project.
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Good to hear ... thanks.***
Mar 3, 2013, 5:15 PM
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Re: They also have out-spent Clemson...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:08 PM
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I think it's closer to twice that much. The stadium alone was almost $40 million. I know we've spent some money too, but it's not like Carolina Stadium is the only thing they've spent money on either.
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might just be me, but i don't think their stadium is that
Mar 3, 2013, 5:12 PM
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nice. new, yes. but it's like the new race tracks for nascar, it has no personality. it's a cookie cutter, if you will.
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Re: might just be me, but i don't think their stadium is that
Mar 3, 2013, 6:17 PM
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It's not finished, yet. We're gonna spend another 5-10 million $$$ over the the next 3-5 years.
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Re: And that gap will continue to widen thanks to SEC contracts.***
Mar 3, 2013, 5:35 PM
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Sad but true. Ughh.
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Re: And that gap will continue to widen thanks to SEC contracts.***
Mar 3, 2013, 5:43 PM
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I don't think this has to be as big a problem as others seem to. It is more a matter of being proactive - which Clemson athletics does not have a great track record for. Carolina's indoor practice facility is gonna cost 50% more than ours. Do you think there is anything about it that will be substantially different than ours? Land value will also eat into a lot of that money in a facility war with Clemson. But Carolina Stadium was announced in 2007. They spent $35 million. We're gonna answer with $6 million 7 years later. That's playing from behind.
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110%er [7913]
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At this point Clemson is a one sport school financially
Mar 3, 2013, 5:40 PM
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we've put MILLIONS into football at the expense of the rest of the programs...which is what we truly care about....log into Tnet on any day of the year and football dominates the discussion.
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Re: They also have out-spent Clemson...
Mar 3, 2013, 7:53 PM
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What has the amount of money spent by South Carolina have to do with Jack killing the program with his assistant coaching hires?
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They are and so is Virginia, UNC, NC State, FSU, Miami.
Mar 3, 2013, 5:12 PM
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We're just run of the mill at this point.
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All of those programs have also out-spent Clemson...
Mar 3, 2013, 5:16 PM
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Virginia made huge improvements to their stadium and UNC built a new one. Spending money shows a dedication to the sport on the part of the institution. If a sport matters, then the school spends money on it. If it doesn't matter, then the school doesn't spend money. I think Clemson's prioritites the last few years are plenty obvious.
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Re: All of those programs have also out-spent Clemson...
Mar 3, 2013, 7:20 PM
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I guess the answer is give more $
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