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The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In
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The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

I heard a news report today that 15% of the people that attended Trump's last rally on Pennsylvania were Moderate Democrats. People attending Trump rallies are polled and the Dems said they wanted to hear what Trump had to say. About 15% of the Democrats did not vote last election and plan to vote this time.

Keep it up Socialist Democrat Liberals you're the best campaigners Trump has. I still say, as before, there is at least one more big event coming before the election to turn voters away from the Democrats and one is going to be to alienate the over 70 million registered Catholics during the upcoming Supreme Court nominee, Barrett's, hearings. In addition, the illegals in the US that are being mailed ballots are about 90% Catholic. Knock yourselves out with this one (literally).

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 11:03 AM

I'm not flaming...but there is likely absolutely nothing in this post that is true.

You're clearly a product of what they're starting to call a "social media algorithm bubble"...the way you talk, the way you punctuate the wrong words, turning things into official titles that actually are just general descriptors, the way you mash up words that actually have completely different meanings like they're equivalent...you are an indoctrinated mind, just spewing and regurgitating a whole bunch of what is frankly just propaganda.

Some examples:
"I heard a news report today that 15% of the people that attended Trump's last rally on Pennsylvania were Moderate Democrats"...let's break this down, and see how many problems are here in this one sentence.

For starters...just the first part.

"I heard a news report"...let's examine. From where did you hear this. Cite your source. Was this source credible? Was it from a link that was recommended to you? Do you have any idea of the fact-check record, ownership, or bias of this site? Are they potentially a "fake news" source, many of which originate from outside the country? Do you even know? Did you check at all? Or did you just accept this because it fits into your worldview? The answer, sorry, is pretty obvious.

Now let's add one word...and here we go with yet another lie you've accepted as fact.
"I heard a news report today"...again, let's take a look under the hood. One of the things fake news sources like to do is recycle old lies. Since they were lies and got clicks and engagement the first time around, why not recycle and get more...and they do it, all the time. Doubt it? Again, here we go...from November 12th of 2019...and I can pull in at least a dozen other similar - and equally false - similar assertions from the Trump campaign as well. Just start googling, finding these assertions isn't hard.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-official-25-percent-of-rally-attendees-are-democrats-or-independents/vi-BBWF0Hi

How do we know this is BS? Because absolutely none of the polling data supports it. Anywhere. At any time. It was a lie in November, and it's still a lie now...and yet the Trump campaign itself consistently re-tells it because it plays. And the "conservative media" duly re-tweets it on command as fact without any verification...and guys like you accept it as fact.

Then let's go to the next statement:
"Keep it up Socialist Democrat Liberals...again, let's look. This constant mashing up of words that you think are the same simply aren't and show you simply don't know any socialists, liberals, or democrats. It's literally to the point you don't even realize these words do not mean the same thing, any more than the words "conservative", "Fascist", and "Nazi" have the same meaning.

"Socialists" are far left. Only communists are further to the left on the political spectrum. Very few Democrats - less than 15% - are actual socialists. Almost all of them are what was called the "Bernie Bros". Unless they are members of an actual party, this word would not be capitalized because it denotes a political inclination rather than an actual party, unless they were members of an actual "Communist Party".

"Liberals" in the political context means "open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values." Again, this word would not be capitalized because it's just a general descriptor, not any kind of official title or party affiliation, and it does not describe all - or possibly even the majority - of people in the Democrat party. There's plenty of conservative-leaning Dems, especially now that there's been a fairly substantial exodus of George Will-type Republican members from the party over the last four years who simply do not agree with Trump's populistic third-world dictator approach to politics.

And finally, "Democrats" is indeed an official political party, and hence would be capitalized...but the thing is, one of the thing that sets the "Democrat Party" apart from the current GOP is how...diverse it is. The Democratic Party is basically this giant messy "big tent" composed of a large number of leftists, moderates, and identity and ethnic groups, from the whole LGBTQ communities to a gazillion ethnic groups. The fact that you speak in broad terms about these groups - that really don't have much in common at all -and treat them like they're all one and the same to your mind tells me you know almost nothing about any of them, much less what ideas or viewpoints they may actually have. Because the sad fact is, increasingly this Big Tent of a party exists because it's just a bunch of random bits and bobs and minority slices huddled together for protection against, well, hostile and uninformed people like, well, you.

FWIW.

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Well, I think an anticipated Black (with CAPS!) Vote for DT will push the PREZ


Sep 27, 2020, 11:11 AM

over the goal line for a 2nd term.

Statistics show that they have never had it so good economically as a group of “Americans” than his first 3 years in office, until the Coronus struck.

They are wise and are finally seeing the DEMs for what they are and have been..

The party of the KKK & Jim Crow and much more.

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Re: Well, I think an anticipated Black (with CAPS!) Vote for DT will push the PREZ


Sep 27, 2020, 11:21 AM

Nope.

Sorry.

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^ Wanna bet Q?!


Sep 27, 2020, 11:36 AM

I bet Blacks vote 5 more percentage points than in 2016..which would make the total % around 11-13%, i guess.

My Reasoning goes to these facts: they DO want equal to more police protection, they do see they made more $ under Trump, they do see he has made sincere overtures to them, that he has given Black Colleges & Univ an economical lifeline for now and into the future thru the HBCU program..

as well as the First Step Act for prisoners and the Future Act & Opportunity Zones.

Plus, many want the opportunity to go to a decent public school and are seeing that the charter & other types of schools are better.

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Re: ^ Wanna bet Q?!


Sep 27, 2020, 11:37 AM

Nope.

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Re: ^ Wanna bet Q?!


Sep 27, 2020, 11:43 AM

Weren't you (like me) making claims 4 years ago that there was no way Trump would win?

A simple yes or no will do.

Thanks

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Re: ^ Wanna bet Q?!


Sep 27, 2020, 12:03 PM

I am assuming not answering would be a yes on your question.

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Re: ^ Wanna bet Q?!


Sep 27, 2020, 12:27 PM [ in reply to Re: ^ Wanna bet Q?! ]

I don't think so. I haven't been active on the P&R part of the board but for maybe the last year or so.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 11:54 AM [ in reply to Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In ]

q,

Thanks, we could ALL use a bit more scrutiny in our news consumption.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 1:01 PM

The first rule needs to be: "don't get your news from Facebook or any social media, period."

The way these network algorithms are set up, they want you to engage. Which means they surround you with stuff they know you click on...meaning, the only news you get after the algorithm figures out your patterns is tailored to your exact biases.

How are you supposed to achieve intellectual honesty if you are given only information and links that confirm your own biases? It's a recipe for echo chamber-thinking and it's a growing problem; our freaking social media AI's are literally radicalizing our thinking.

Myself, I burned my social media years ago. I wiped my Facebook and Twitter accounts and was never on any of the others. And I make a point of reading everything, from Fox News to CNN to Wall Street Journal to The Atlantic and Politico. I try to avoid getting bubbled as much as humanly possible. That doesn't mean I'm not biased - we're all biased - but I do strive real hard to accept input from all sides.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 1:23 PM

We agree on one thing, my sentiments exactly on social media. I do not consider social media as news. If you must know where I heard the information I posted about the 15% democrats at Trump's PA rally came from Fox News last night.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 1:39 PM

And I clearly showed you the Trump campaign has been re-spinning that lie since November, and yet you can't even focus on it.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 3:05 PM

You can't face reality or focus on what's happening around you either. You're so blinded by the hate spun by the Democrats, that the obvious is slipping by right in front of your eyes. The Democrat Party doesn't care about you, just your vote so they can try.and gain power to prosper their elite. Go do some research and read the quote from Lyndon Johnson about Black voters and see what the Democrats really think about them. It's so much more racist than anything Biden has said.

I was a Democrat once and finally came to my senses after the economy and country were nearly destroyed. Each of us have to make our own choices and live with the consequences.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

I'm not a Democrat. I'm actually still a registered Republican but I intend to re-register as an independent if I don't like what I'm seeing in the next set of primaries.

And your recitation of history is a little...selective. Yes, LBJ was apparently quite the racist, privately. He and Kennedy actually despised each other and were from utterly different worlds but political convenience forced them together...much like Trump and Pence, who might be America's oddest couple yet as a political duo. But LBJ still, intriguingly, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965...after which the Dixiecrats largely decamped and joined the GOP.

And sorry, Fox News is a...problem. (Not than CNN and MSNBC cover themselves with glory either, which has caused their own bias and factuality-level ratings to tumble too by media observers like AllSides, PolitiFact and Mediabiasfactcheck.) They're sort of in a feedback loop with the Alt-Right and it's creating some extremely distorted worldviews...it's actually a very strange relationship: is social media driving the extremist views we're seeing on Fox - who panders to the biases of their audience because that's what News Corp and all for-profit cable companies have always done - or is Fox driving those extremist views?

The mainstream press has some serious bias issues, but they're still bound by the constraints of the media - meaning, if they get caught cooking stories, the rest of the actual legitimate media eats them alive. The so-called "conservative media" is not - almost none of them are journalists, and they actually do very little actual reporting of their own. Their job isn't to report the news so much as it is to re-frame and refute the reporting done by actual reporters. The conservative media, unfortunately, largely exists to blunt the accountability effect the press once had...and it's working, and being amplified by the feedback loop that exists between Fox/OAN and the Alt-Right social-media sphere.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 4:12 PM [ in reply to Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In ]

saddis56® said:

You can't face reality or focus on what's happening around you either. You're so blinded by the hate spun by the Democrats, that the obvious is slipping by right in front of your eyes. The Democrat Party doesn't care about you, just your vote so they can try.and gain power to prosper their elite. Go do some research and read the quote from Lyndon Johnson about Black voters and see what the Democrats really think about them. It's so much more racist than anything Biden has said.

I was a Democrat once and finally came to my senses after the economy and country were nearly destroyed. Each of us have to make our own choices and live with the consequences.




You've just confirmed exactly what Quoz was talking about. You think a quote from Lyndon Johnson from 1964 tells you what "Democrats actually think of blacks". In 1964 most blacks couldn't vote and were horribly repressed. They were segregated in every aspect of life. In most small towns you had "Town" and over across the tracks there was "Ni***R Town". I know because I lived through it. That was the norm in those days.

And if you ever considered doing actual research you'd discover most of the prejudiced Dems abandoned the Party and became prejudiced Republicans throughout the southern states precisely BECAUSE Johnson signed The Civil Rights Act of 1964 to help black people. So all those 'racist dems' became Reps.

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You know his point would have gone over so much better


Sep 27, 2020, 12:14 PM [ in reply to Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In ]

And been so much more persuasive, if he linked a Tweet or a Facebook post.

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Re: You know his point would have gone over so much better


Sep 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

I was actually trying to...what inspired my response was that somebody here actually posted a link to a Twitter post awhile back basically saying exactly the same thing, at a different rally. It got my dander up because one of the features of fake news is that they shamelessly recycle lies...just change the date and rinse and repeat, and if they get caught doing it, no biggie, they'll just do it again tomorrow.

Veracity and getting caught peddling BS has never bothered the dispensers of fake news, who use that firehose-of-falsity approach, just "flood the zone with pure sh!t", as Steve Bannon, one of its originators, so aptly described.

I just couldn't find that tweet, and didn't feel like spending an hour looking.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 27, 2020, 1:13 PM [ in reply to Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In ]

Glad to see you are finally feeling the heat quozzel. Nice critique if the post was a for something more than a POST on TNet. You and those like you know your days are numbered and I don't give a shyte what you you think say. Even you know the data is out there and it's making you nervous.

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You were just on the receiving end of EASILY one of the top


Sep 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

5 most vicious murders in Tigernet history, and yet, you still can't be humble.

Says a lot about your intelligence, both rational and emotional.

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Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In


Sep 28, 2020, 2:45 PM [ in reply to Re: The Worm Is Turning - The Data is Coming In ]

saddis56® said:

Glad to see you are finally feeling the heat quozzel. Nice critique if the post was a for something more than a POST on TNet. You and those like you know your days are numbered and I don't give a shyte what you you think say. Even you know the data is out there and it's making you nervous.



What do you mean, "days are numbered?"

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It’s safe to say now that


Sep 27, 2020, 11:45 AM



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Heard Lefty Rupert Murdoch started FOX News since he saw a void & $!


Sep 27, 2020, 7:12 PM

Then, his 2 Lefty Sons run it now & have put a variety of political leaning hosts & guests (including that mean-spirited & Dem Donna Brassiere?) and reason that White dude (Tucker) is facing a pink slip if his sky-high great ratings drop.

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15% of the attendees were dems and another 14%...


Sep 28, 2020, 1:04 AM

had not voted in 2016. So the audience was composed of roughly 30% of people who didn't vote Trump in 2016.

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