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What timeline are we even on?
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the trumpists really jerk off to this guy
Dec 16, 2021, 8:53 AM
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and I mean that both literally and figuratively
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It's a bold strategy. The country is getting tired of
Dec 16, 2021, 8:54 AM
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extremism. So what do Republicans do? Double down
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How is Rittenhouse an extremist?***
Dec 16, 2021, 8:57 AM
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He's not. But TPUSA putting him up as somebody important
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lol why?***
Dec 16, 2021, 8:59 AM
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Probably because he's a stupid kid who did something
Dec 16, 2021, 9:03 AM
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stupid getting him into a situation where he had to take a life.
But to Republicans he's the savior of the second amendment.
As evidenced by this speaking engagement
A guy shot another dude down the road from me two nights ago in self defense.
When's his scheduled speech?
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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But it was a pedophiles life, that alone should be cause to
Dec 16, 2021, 9:12 AM
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celebrate him. Maybe if the dude down the road from you had killed a pedophile amidst widespread rioting and looting while the cops were literally standing down he could get famous too. Many people generally like others who stand up to bullies, that's basically what you're seeing here.
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Thanks for proving my point***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:13 AM
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You don't have a point, you're spewing talking points per
Dec 16, 2021, 9:15 AM
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usual. "Having him speak is extremism reeeeee!"
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You like that he killed the guy because he was a pedophile
Dec 16, 2021, 9:17 AM
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I'll agree that a pedophile should be killed.
Did Rittenhouse know he was a pedophile?
No.
Since he didn't know who he was shooting we can use the what if of "what if the guy was a normal guy thinking he was stopping a mass shooting"
Does that make your erection go down now?
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Pedophiles do not deserve to die. Stop this garbage.***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:19 AM
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Yes they do.***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:20 AM
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What about people who beat kids?***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:21 AM
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Beat as in assault or spankings***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:23 AM
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Assault. Or, what about people who just posses child stuff,
Dec 16, 2021, 9:25 AM
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but never acted on them? Kill them too? What about a guy that beats on his defenseless girlfriend? Or a guy that drives drunk and kills a family? Kill him as well?
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I mean
Dec 16, 2021, 9:26 AM
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You destroy a kid's life like that you should die.
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Welp, this thread took a turn I didn't expect.***
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Cool. So next time you accidentally pass a school bus,
Dec 16, 2021, 9:36 AM
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prepare to have the driver take a popshot through your windows.
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Sure I am. If you don't draw a line in the sand somewhere
Dec 16, 2021, 9:36 AM
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that says we should not justify the vigilante murder of people who have crossed some otherwise arbitrary line, then we enter Locke's State of War.
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I agree.
Dec 16, 2021, 9:37 AM
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My line begins with left lane Interstate cruisers.
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Man's got to have a code.***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
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Not for the citizenry to decide that on the street
Dec 16, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Because that's mob justice without due process or any evidence. I hope that's not what you're advocating for, and that's not the justice that Rittenhouse intended to deliver.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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It's kind of funny that mob justice is what the rioters were
Dec 16, 2021, 9:48 AM
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trying to achieve that night and throughout the year. But anyway, no I'm simply saying pedophiles deserve to die. If there is evidence that somebody raped a child, they should be killed. That's it, this discussion has really gone off the rails.
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Not sure how that makes this funny...
Dec 16, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Aren't we all opposed to that?
And they may deserve to die, but that's going to be a tough sell for a prosecution in court. Many of them can't even get capital murder cases right.
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I'm not sure we are anymore, we certainly tolerated quite a
Dec 16, 2021, 9:58 AM
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bit of mob justice in 2020.
But anyway, since you mention it, watching that prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case really did make me rethink my stance on the death penalty. Looking at how he outright lied, withheld evidence, etc. coupled with how many refused to prosecute rioters and looters, I don't have very much faith in our justice system being unbiased. I used to think it was kind of a good ole boys system and they screwed everyone fairly equally based on socioeconomic status, now I think it's gone political.
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Cops lie. Prosecutors lie. Rinse and repeat.
Dec 16, 2021, 10:12 AM
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We need to seriously step up punishment and enforcement of Brady violations, and do a better job of maintaining Brady Lists of lair cops.
Also, cleaning out departments with corrupt cops would help.
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Where did I say just based off someone's allegations?
Dec 16, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Is it impossible to prove somebody raped a child or something? This has gone from me saying I think pedophiles should die, to you accusing me of advocating for third world justice. Unrustle those jimmies for a second and stop overthinking this.
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You were talking about killing a pedo in the context of
Dec 16, 2021, 9:53 AM
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street justice. If you are arguing Capitol Punishment should apply to convicted child rapists, that's a completely different argument than citizens taking matters into their own hands.
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That's what I was implying.
Dec 16, 2021, 9:55 AM
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If the courts find you guilty of diddling a child, that person should be killed.
And the option should exist for the parents of the child to do it in a manner they deem fit.
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Ah okay. That is a significant reframe.
Dec 16, 2021, 10:07 AM
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I'm anti-death penalty, and would still oppose applying the death penalty for anything short of murder, but my main issue with your original point was the mob justice aspect.
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I was kind of joking about it, but in all seriousness I
Dec 16, 2021, 10:07 AM
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do believe our justice system is getting to a point where they'll give the citizenry no options other than vigilante justice if the people want peaceful communities. Is that the preferable outcome? No, but eventually something will give by continuing to let proven rapists, murderers, and thieves mingle with society.
Now if you recall, this exchange began with you saying pedophiles do not deserve to die. I contend that is not true, pedophiles do deserve to die. You've turned this into a philosophical discussion about systems of justice, but a the heart of the matter is whether pedophiles actually deserve to die, and my answer to that will always unequivocally be yes. You can debate how you determine one is a pedophile, but we all know they exist, we all know they hurt children, and I think they actually do deserve to die.
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That is the inevitable outcome if the justice system breaks
Dec 16, 2021, 10:08 AM
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down. No denying that.
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He had been demonstrating for hours on video that he was
Dec 16, 2021, 9:22 AM
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at best a crazed lunatic, it is not surprising somebody shot him. He had been screaming at people to shoot him prior, so no we can't really use the normal guy thinking he was stopping a mass shooting narrative.
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Great, let's kill these people too
Dec 16, 2021, 9:23 AM
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I wonder how many were rabidly screaming "kill me n-word" in
Dec 16, 2021, 9:27 AM
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that crowd lulz.
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Probably the girl who climbed through the window
Dec 16, 2021, 9:28 AM
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with a gun pointed right at her.
Didn't say the n word though
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I'd think the armed cops standing right behind her would
Dec 16, 2021, 9:30 AM
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have done something to restrain her in that case.
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What if someone is killing me softly?***
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Roberta Flack
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#TBT
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Because he's not a hero
Dec 16, 2021, 9:10 AM
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He's not a public figure. He shouldn't be. He did something stupid--regardless of whether someone thinks he's guilty or not--we all agree it was dumb for him to be there.
Trotting him around as a guest speaker at political functions and trying to idolize him is extremism.
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i think he means the idea that this nonentity
Dec 16, 2021, 9:05 AM
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has become the hero posterchild for the right (formerly known as alt right) is a sign of extremism.
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You said it better than me***
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GOP grifters are like Epstein, and guys like Rittenhouse and
Dec 16, 2021, 8:56 AM
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Sandman are their prey.
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I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for this kid
Dec 16, 2021, 8:56 AM
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Because I have a good idea what's going to happen to him once all the scumbag Trump loyalists decide he's not attractive to audiences anymore.
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It seriously is the Zimmerman timeline.
Dec 16, 2021, 8:59 AM
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After he no longer was in the spotlight, he realized the mess he was left with. Granted, Zimmerman seemed like a real POS before he killed Trayvon, and Rittenhouse does appear to be a good kid with absentee parents...but he's going to get to where he is no longer useful to the GOP and they'll move on, leaving him broke, unemployable, and with enough time for the emotional consequences of taking a life to catch up with him.
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He could parlay it into a political career
Dec 16, 2021, 9:03 AM
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That's probably the angle I would take if I were him. He clearly isn't going to be able to have a normal life, going to work at the Samsung plant or going to a well known college probably isn't in the cards for him. Might as well see where this goes.
I don't think most people liked Zimmerman or identified with him to any degree.
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He said he wanted to be an EMT
Dec 16, 2021, 9:04 AM
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And he could probably do quite well at that and make a difference in the world. Instead, he'll be trotted around as a clown show because I'm sure right now, he and his parents are only thinking short-term $$$$.
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He's not going to be an EMT, maybe that's
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what he wanted to be, but that ship has sailed. He's too well known to do anything like that, progressive groups would be funding and organizing protests at any company who hired him.
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I think his ONLY shot is politics
Dec 16, 2021, 9:08 AM
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so he better do a great job at that speech.
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That's a problem if anyone thinks he has a shot at that.
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If anyone thinks this guy needs to be a leader solely because of what happened in Kenosha, we've got some serious issues in America.
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Republicans do***
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Maybe he is a good leader? We don't know
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If I were him I'd be giving it a shot too, given my lack of options elsewhere. I don't think anybody is wanting to elect him President, this idea that people are hailing him as a hero and idolizing him is kind of a made up narrative. He's speaking at a Turning Point function, it's not a huge deal.
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Why has that ship sailed?
Dec 16, 2021, 9:11 AM
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He could move on with life, refuse to do interviews, and keep out of the spotlight. It would suck for a while, but eventually he would be forgotten and he could start fresh. Happens all the time.
He's choosing to remain in the limelight.
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If he dropped from the spotlight now
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I'm confident he'd be let alone for the most part. The Left has moved on from Rittenhouse.
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No. Because the next Rittenhouse is right around the
Dec 16, 2021, 9:18 AM
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corner for them to harass. Do you think any liberal could pick out Sandmann on the street? Yet, you remember how vilified he was? Politics has an incredibly short-term memory, especially when, like progressives, your movement feeds off of one outcry to the next. They've already moved on.
Heck, the only reason why we think of George Zimmerman now is when he does something so fundamentally stupid it starts trending.
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Sandmann didn't really do anything though and sued the
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bejesus out of people, these two situations are no way similar. The BLM folks will NEVER let it go. It will be mischaracterized as an act against black people and the verdict held up as an example of systematic racism for years, if not decades to come. You couldn't get that kind of mileage out of Sandmann or Zimmerman.
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They let Zimmerman go. Attention spans are short.
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New targets emerge.
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Delete Twitter man.
Dec 16, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Everybody outside the beltway have already moved on from Rittenhouse. They may see the verdict as fuel for justice reform, but as for the animus against Rittenhouse himself? He would have already faded if not for him running the grift circuit.
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I'm not really on twitter or following this on there
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I just think given recent and current events, anybody who thinks he can just fade away and lead a normal life is nuts. So I don't blame him for hitting the circuit and seeing if he can drum up a political career. I think this over-reaction to him speaking at functions or doing interviews is kind of psychotic, quite frankly.
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I don't think your suspicious are unwarranted. The
Dec 16, 2021, 9:48 AM
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progressive vigilantes are amoral, ruthless, and sociopathic (which sort of proves my other point about the dangers of vigilante justice). However...the reality I have noticed over the last decade is that the outrage machine quickly moves on. I could be wrong on Rittenhouse, but there have been many other worse people who have faded quickly from the public eye.
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Yes, I do. People have a short attention span
Dec 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
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And those who have nothing better to do with their lives than harass Rittenhouse will one day find a new target/cause that pops up in the news. They'll forget about him, especially if he just stays out of the spotlight.
He's guaranteeing now that won't happen.
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There is no future in politics for him.
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At least not as "Kyle Rittenhouse, the Hero of Kenosha." That has an expiration date on it, and it'll be sooner rather than later. At some point, if he does have a conscience, he'll reach his limit of what he's willing to do and the GOP will turn on him.
The only hope he had was to stay out of the spotlight and move on. Someone who loved him should have told him so. But he has nobody who cares about him in his corner, and his path has been chosen.
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Re: What timeline are we even on?
Dec 16, 2021, 9:08 AM
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the guy shoots commie felons in his spare time
what is not to like
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Rock Defender [53]
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This is not much different from asking a hooker to wear
Dec 16, 2021, 9:12 AM
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a schoolgirl outfit. You are fetishizing a young boy to fit your own semi-sexual political needs.
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Re: This is not much different from asking a hooker to wear
Dec 16, 2021, 9:17 AM
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rong
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Its sad. But the left can't complain. They made him a public
Dec 16, 2021, 9:15 AM
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figure, but now don't like the one he's become. If you want it bad, you get it bad.
But yes, the right needs to drop this, now. The correct verdict was made, end of story.
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Re: Its sad. But the left can't complain. They made him a public
Dec 16, 2021, 9:19 AM
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the OP is a leftie
who needs to drop it lol
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Hall of Famer [24477]
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He doesn't need to be invited to speak to a political event.***
Dec 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
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He's a political pawn brought about by ignorance on both
Dec 16, 2021, 9:25 AM
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sides.
The left painted him as a white supremist who dared to interrupt a BLM protest.
Because the left hates him (see above), the right loves him and will come out to hear him speak.
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Re: What timeline are we even on?
Dec 16, 2021, 9:28 AM
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KR is saving lives
antifa no longer chases folks with ARs
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Rock Defender [53]
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In these fantasies of yours...what are you wearing?
Dec 16, 2021, 9:49 AM
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Lacy tac gear?
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Well that's a google search IT is going to have a meeting
Dec 16, 2021, 10:12 AM
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with me about
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110%er [8982]
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Rock Defender [53]
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Well as long as you have a reason...***
Dec 16, 2021, 11:06 AM
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"But back at the bivouac..."***
Dec 16, 2021, 11:21 AM
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