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The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.

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Apr 3, 2022, 7:40 PM

I keep reading that he was a horrible AD and rode Dabo’s coattails. That’s simply not correct.

In the four seasons before DRad was hired as AD, Dabo was 29-19 overall, with one ACC championship, and had a 1-3 bowl record. We were coming off of a blowout loss to West Virginia in our first BCS bowl the year prior. Our highest postseason finish at that time was 22nd.

Since DRad was hired, we have won six conference titles, been to six playoffs, had six top 5 finishes, and have won two national championships.

That is a HUGE difference!

Moreover, DRad oversaw hundreds of millions of dollars of football facility improvements, creating what many consider the finest facilities in college football.

He didn’t hire Dabo - Terry Don Phillips gets credit for that - but we arguably wouldn’t have been nearly as successful in football without DRad’s leadership.

The point is that it takes an athletic department in lockstep with a talented coaching staff in order to have success. Like him or not, DRad was a significant ingredient to our football success and he should be recognized for it.

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Re: The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.

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Apr 3, 2022, 7:43 PM

Feel free to have your man crush but all drad did was spend a ton of money on basketball and baseball with horrible results. He had NOTHING to do with football success.

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So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 7:51 PM

to random chance? LOL okay.

It seems that you are the one with the man crush. In your world, Dabo did everything on his own and had no help.

Our men’s basketball program improved under DRad. He made overdue improvements in facilities.

As for baseball, many people were ready for Jack to go. Lee was considered a good hire at the time. Important facility upgrades were made.

I’m not sure what you expect from an AD, but our overall success as an athletic department under DRad was notable.

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Re: So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:28 PM

How exactly have you improved the basketball program, Brad?

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Apparently he's talking about improvement over Larry Shyatt.

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Apr 3, 2022, 10:57 PM

Basically any stiff would have been a better head coach than Larry.

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Re: So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:41 PM

I chalk it all up to Dabo building a program. DRad had nothing to the football success. It’s all on Dabo being Dabo. Enough said ??

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So approving record coaching contracts and providing world class facilities


Apr 3, 2022, 9:05 PM

had nothing to do with it?

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Coaches improved contracts were given after success.

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Apr 3, 2022, 11:03 PM

Brad is already the 38th highest paid coach in America. He is overpaid considering he's finished in the top 40 twice in 12 years.

And are you really trying to say that a football facility that didn't open until 2017 led to players, like Deshaun Watson, being signed for the 2015 and 2016 national championship games?

How many times and different ways does your ridiculous crusade about coaching money and facilities need to be shot down for you to stop repeating the nonsense?

Good coaches win. Period.

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Re: So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:44 PM

By "improve," are you refering to more first round tourney exits or more NIT second round exits?

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No, I’m referring to winning an NCAA Tournament game for the first time


Apr 3, 2022, 9:06 PM

since 1997, graduating players at a record rate, and making critical facility improvements.

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The football facilities were completed two years after our 1sr


Apr 3, 2022, 11:06 PM

National championship game.
The basketball facilities have been much better for several years.

So why are we building inconsistent roster, transfer portal teams still?

You say the silliest things.

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Re: So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:49 PM

The football program was built incrementally over time. For me it felt like things finally changed with the LSU game in 2012. From there we got gradually better and better until we won it all. DRad had zero to do with it.

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DRad was our AD in 2012.

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:12 PM

HTH.

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Re: DRad was our AD in 2012.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:31 PM

Name specifically what he did that Dabo wouldn’t have done with any other AD keeping the seat warm.

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There are plenty of ADs who wouldn’t be able to pull off or justify

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:44 PM

record coaching salaries and unprecedented facility improvements.

You do realize that money had to be raised, projects had to be approved, and a lot of people (including our coaches) had to be kept happy, right?

There are plenty of good coaches out there who don’t get to win at a high level because they don’t have the support of their AD.

Obviously, Clemson’s fans and donors played a huge role here as well.

The point is that elite programs require the cumulative effort of many people, and DRad’s involvement was key for us. Why can’t you and others acknowledge that?

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Re: There are plenty of ADs who wouldn’t be able to pull off or justify

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:48 PM

Sorry man, but signing paychecks and approving raises doesn’t make a good AD. Dabo started winning and the donor money and ticket sales flowed. AD’s are made or broken by their hires and coaching evaluations/extensions. DRad had a pretty poor record with CBB and not looking so good with Monte either. Clemson’s other Natty guy is Noonan who was also hired by TDP.

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TDP hired Brad.


Apr 3, 2022, 10:21 PM

Our basketball support was so subpar that Purnell took a job at a struggling program like DePaul. He didn’t even give TDP a chance to keep him.

Purnell later said that Dayton was the best job he had in terms of administrative support.

I believe DRad improved the basketball program in terms of administrative support, but more certainly needs to be done. Neff will get it done.

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Re: TDP hired Brad.


Apr 3, 2022, 10:29 PM

Yes he was a bad hire at the end of TDP’s tenure and should have been sent packing by DRad long before now. Then Neff wouldn’t be stuck with it. By your raises and money logic Ray Tanner is a great AD too for hiring Muschamp, giving him a raise and then having to borrow $10 mil to help with the $13 mil buyout. SCAR facilities also improved dramatically while Muschamp was there.

Get a decent coach in who recruits and inspire his team and fans and then attendance and money will not be an issue.

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Re: TDP hired Brad.


Apr 4, 2022, 2:50 PM


Our basketball support was so subpar that Purnell took a job at a struggling program like DePaul. He didn’t even give TDP a chance to keep him.

Purnell later said that Dayton was the best job he had in terms of administrative support.

I believe DRad improved the basketball program in terms of administrative support, but more certainly needs to be done. Neff will get it done.




yeah, but OP said Clemson was the best experience he ever had. You can listen to that long portion of the interview at link at an hour. I know OP fizzled out every season in the 1st round NCAAT for three seasons, but Clemson was relevant,ranked and fighting for NCAAT seeding. Every week on college basketball broadcast like ESPN Clemson was being mentioned. Same when Rick Barnes was there. I watch national College basketball shows and the only time Clemson was mentioned this season was the dirty foul by Collins vs Duke. The Field of 68 was live from New Orleans this week, and they were kidding with Terrence Oglesby that it was louder there than the lower ACC like Boston College and Clemson. TO agreed and said yeah those places don't have any atmosphere. That is sad, because it did when he played there.

OP interview about Clemson time 1 hour in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcwvCV4lDw

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Also, hiring and firing coaches is just part of what ADs do.


Apr 3, 2022, 10:24 PM

You’re greatly downplaying the financial aspects, including fundraising, paying coaches, facilities, etc. That’s a huge aspect of the job and not just anyone can do those things well.

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Re: Also, hiring and firing coaches is just part of what ADs do.


Apr 4, 2022, 1:53 PM

Having a president and BOT who approve those recommendations for large expenditures for facilities and pay raises helps a bit.

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Yet again, we have darn nice facilities and the 38th highest paid coach


Apr 3, 2022, 11:09 PM

in America.

Money and facilities don't help a guy coach better or win more games. A good coach can prove it without a $2.6M salary and top notch facilities.

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Apr 4, 2022, 6:06 AM

I will acknowledge that the money was made more available and facilities were improved under his watch, but felt he did receive more credit than he deserved if it would not have been for football success. I was happy at the time when Leggett was let go mainly because we were stuck in getting beat consistently by SC and we could not win it all. I had just thought Leggett’s time had run up as far as what he could do with the program. Hindsight being 20/20 I would take Leggett back tomorrow. The baseball program is a shell of what it was when Leggett was the coach.

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Re: DRad was our AD in 2012.


Apr 4, 2022, 9:31 PM

What you guys are all missing is that a BAD AD can absolutely get IN the way, and it happens more often than not. If all drad did was get out of Dabos way then he did his job
Oversaw facilities bldg ( as one who does this at another power 5, the AD and his immediates are critical in this, and when I compare $ to value Clemson is doing it right by far. That has to start somewhere)
His biggest crime by far, to me, is not moving on Brownell. Great guy, but time to move on

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Yes…

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:35 PM

for the final 63 days.

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He was AD when it happened.***


Apr 3, 2022, 9:40 PM



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Which proves your point…

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:46 PM

Dabo couldn’t have done it without him.

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Re: So you’re just chalking up the night and day difference in our football program

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:01 PM

Wasn’t he the genius behind the powerhouse program at GA Tech now too ?

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What does that have to do with his success at Clemson?


Apr 3, 2022, 9:13 PM

That’s like saying Danny Ford wasn’t a good coach at Clemson because he didn’t do well at Arkansas.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:19 AM

Are you really this much of a slow mind, that you can't see that, DRad was smart enough and get out in front and lead the Parade that began without him and several years before RDad came along. His Soccer Coach hire was good has proven to be very good, but basketball, baseball, and sorry, lady Tiger BB are not well. We seem to find a way to lose in those most seasons, but once in a blue moon, we do semi-reasonable. Monte Lee is in a class almost as bad as Brownell. Just check the records, actual stats and accept that, in the spots of Ba Men more than Women's, but wait to see if Butler can turn around Women's basketball and again EQUAL her first season. Monte Lee's results, creates a large partial vacuum ad the data backs that up. Period, full stop.

Likeable guy, etc, but we are overpaying him so bad!

Sorry, the data tells the story. Brownell was a bad hire.

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Apr 3, 2022, 7:49 PM

I emailed with drad a number of times... he seems like a good guy.

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Sorry to break the news to you…


Apr 3, 2022, 8:11 PM

but you probably emailed with his secretary.

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LOL

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:10 PM

So you basically described Dabo’s accomplishments in taking the football program to the top…
and gave the credit to Radakovich.

There’s no way you’re serious.

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Re: LOL

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:15 PM

Lol - I love how he starts a new thread rather than answer all the very specific challenges that have been made regarding DRad. His head coaching hires at 2 Universities are dumpster fires. Lee was only a good hire to the subset of our fans that were obsessed with USC baseball. You don’t replace a Hall of Famer with a guy who has never, not once, taken a team to Omaha.

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So you’re saying that he did do enough to set up Brownell for success?***

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:16 PM



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No, I’m saying that he made positive contributions to our sports programs


Apr 3, 2022, 9:15 PM

and was integral to their success.

He didn’t do nearly enough for our basketball program, but the facilities were much needed and for that I thank him.

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Re: The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:16 PM

The man is a construction manager at best. Got a free ride for his son on the football team. He his not merchant of hope; only a buyer of bricks and mortar.

Give anyone tax payer money and private donations and they can build the pyramids of Egypt, but they can't build winners!

Drad can't lead a troop of boy scouts.

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DRad didn't do anything

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:19 PM

He's lucky enough to have Dabo kept the pressure off by winning titles even though DRad had nothing to do with the success.

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He literally made sure Dabo and the football program had everything


Apr 3, 2022, 9:20 PM

they needed and wanted.

Without approving record coaching salaries, we don’t hire and retain the best coaches in the business, and we don’t win championships.

Without top tier facilities, we don’t sign top recruiting classes and we don’t win championships.

It’s amazing that you and others think Dabo did all this by himself. Dabo was absolutely critical to the whole thing, but failing to recognize DRad’s contributions is short-sighted.

It doesn’t take anything away from Dabo for you to acknowledge how important other people have been to our success.

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Re: He literally made sure Dabo and the football program had everything

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:32 PM

Lol. You’re a flailing contrarian. The biggest projects were already underway. Dabo had the vision. DRad was simply smart enough to stay out of the way. Basketball is stuck in neutral because he nor the coach had any vision. “Literally” his only accomplishment is doubling the number of top donors during his time. That matters. But that’s it. He has poisoned the 3 major men’s programs he’s made a hire for.

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Exactly. You notice how he never responds to truth and logic?.***

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Apr 3, 2022, 11:14 PM



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Re: He literally made sure Dabo and the football program had everything


Apr 4, 2022, 9:02 PM

It's amazing that you think the AD approves the coaching salaries and raises. He might recommend them, but it's the BOT who approve those salaries. You can see how a good or bad BOT affects an athletic program when you take a glance at what is going on in Columbia.

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https://www.wyff4.com/article/uofsc-dumpster-fire-kirkman-finlay/39585875


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We should all be glad DRad came to save Dabo by

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Apr 3, 2022, 8:34 PM

recruiting all those players and coaching them for him. I don’t know where Dabo would be without the vision DRad brought with him from that football powerhouse in Atlanta. Too bad he didn’t do the same for Brad.

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So you’re just going to ignore the before DRad and after DRad facts


Apr 3, 2022, 9:25 PM

because they don’t align with your belief that he had nothing to do with our success?

Who made sure Dabo was paid and that he was able to hire and retain the assistants and staff he wanted?

Who made sure that our program had the facilities not have a top tier program to recruit the best players?

It’s amazing you think Dabo did all this by himself.

Other than an ACC championship in a mediocre ACC, we hadn’t accomplished much in football until DRad came on board.

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Re: So you’re just going to ignore the before DRad and after DRad facts


Apr 3, 2022, 9:34 PM

It’s posts like these that let anyone paying attention know you are not a Clemson fan.

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Re: The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:24 PM

Crock sh*t…Dabo credits a huge bulk of the success of the program to TDP…from his idea of the inside practice facility to staff hires…The plan was in motion when DRad took place.

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TDP deserves plenty of credit as well.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:28 PM

But DRad played a huge role in our athletic success over the last 10 years.

Multiple national championships, record facility construction, new sports added, and record academic accomplishments all occurred under his watch. You can’t honestly believe that he had nothing to do with any of that.

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Re: TDP deserves plenty of credit as well.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:35 PM

University of Miami agrees with you. That’s the kind of legacy of right thinking you want to align yourself with. They’ve been making all the right moves for 30 years.

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We will see. If everything goes to pot we'll know.***


Apr 3, 2022, 9:41 PM



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Neff is a winner. He’s an upgrade over DRad.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:45 PM

You’ll see.

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I thought we had moved on to hating Neff


Apr 3, 2022, 9:46 PM

for not firing Brad and Monte yet?

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You’re right, we have.


Apr 3, 2022, 9:54 PM

I learned on TNet that Neff is just DRad Jr. (a huge insult evidently) and uses too much corporate-sounding language. That, and he has low standards for our athletic programs and doesn’t “get it.”

He clearly needs to drink more beer (no wine - that’s too snooty), talk more Southern (nothing close to Yankee talk), and fire any coach who hasn’t won a championship in the last 5 years so we will feel like he’s “one of us.”

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Just checking.

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Apr 3, 2022, 9:56 PM

Had me confused for a second.

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Re: You’re right, we have.

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Apr 3, 2022, 10:15 PM

You crammed a lot of strawmen in this post and said whole lot more about yourself than actual Clemson fans.

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this is more worthless blather


Apr 3, 2022, 10:27 PM

even worse than the basketball stuff.

He looked good riding on the Natty parade cars.

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So you don’t think the athletic director had anything to do


Apr 4, 2022, 11:55 AM

with our athletic success over the past decade?

Is that what you’re saying?

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I think you mean Football success.


Apr 4, 2022, 12:01 PM

And the job was to stay out of Dabo’s way and write a check whenever you need to.

Not very difficult.

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Re: The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.


Apr 4, 2022, 12:33 AM

Ahh, I see what you did there. Interesting.

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Re: The strong dislike of DRad here is ridiculous.


Apr 4, 2022, 10:48 AM

Rad shouldn’t get credit for all Dabo success since didn’t hire him and Dabo that football success. Wasn’t it Dabo that hires BV as DC not Rad.

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The point is that DRad played a significant role in our success


Apr 4, 2022, 12:24 PM

over the last 10 years.

This doesn’t take anything away from the huge and necessary contributions by others, including our coaches, players, and fans.

I don’t understand why giving credit where credit is due is so hard for some people.

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Re: The point is that DRad played a significant role in our success

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Apr 4, 2022, 12:51 PM

When I was at Clemson, a few years ago, 1 out of 3 was a failing grade. Even rating football two times, like a curve in a class, makes it 2 out of 4 or still a failing grade. People buy season tickets just to retain their seats for the next coach (hopefully soon), but that doesn’t mean they make the effort to go to the games. Excitement brings the fans to the games. Without that, not so much.

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Re: The point is that DRad played a significant role in our success

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Apr 4, 2022, 2:07 PM

The guy who used most of his non-basketball posts in the last year to trash Dabo wants to aggrandize Radakovich and just can’t understand why we can’t give credit where it is due. Love it. Based on your actual posts you believe Brownell > Radakovich > Swinney. That’s you. That’s what you sound like.

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Apr 4, 2022, 2:33 PM

Haha the hire is the most important part. But I will give him credit as far as helping the athletic program in regards to funding but so far he’s only made one decent hire and that’s the softball coach. Monte had this year to show last year was an off year and he’s falling flat on his face after a 14-0 start. But I will also say it’s not like he’s had to make a ton of hires either. So I’ll grade him at a B-

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:16 PM

I dislike DRad over the years for many reasons but how he handled the bball program is not one of them. He was a wonderful yes man for the football program as anybAd should be, I think he did a good job of never overreacting to one bad season for any sport, no one wants to be like the SEC programs that run through coaches every 2 years, he showed we have integrity, patience and realistic expectations regrading our programs. All that said, maybe a tad too frugal and trusted services for his hires be alumni and feel. Just my opinion, he was a really good Ad, I just think our dream AD is a mix of him and TDP.

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