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The recurring school massacre problem is easy to solve:
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May 24, 2022, 10:02 PM
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Double -locked doors at every school entrance and armed guards!! I would also favor armed teachers that are comfortable with guns. Retired military would be a great resource.
Our priorities are backwards: protect politicians over children? Hell no! Children over corrupt pols! Easy choice.
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Orange Blooded [2438]
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Spare us your asinine ramblings for once.
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May 24, 2022, 10:04 PM
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If you have nothing to offer other than the cerebral vomit of a demented old codger, log off for the night.
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Re: Spare us your asinine ramblings for once.
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May 24, 2022, 10:28 PM
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lol pot and kettle. All he’s arguing for is increased security. I’m not sure I agree with arming teachers or not but I don’t think it’s asinine ramblings. I know some places have done that and I’d like to see how it’s worked.
I’m still more in favor of tackling the mental illness and red flags side of it though than I am turning schools into armed fortresses. Just my opinion.
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Orange Blooded [2438]
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He doesn't come by it honestly. But, yes, better to ignore.
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May 24, 2022, 10:56 PM
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NE-WAYS...it's funny you mentioned Red Flag laws, because I tend to agree more and more. They are a hugely dangerous piece of law when abused, and it is important that they be narrowly tailored, but I just don't see how the GOP can't acquiesce, especially if it's a compromise on far more aggressive (and functionally useless) gun control (even Heritage has become a fairly loud voice for them over the years).
At the end of the day, we can't ignore there is a mass shooting problem even if we know the same old gun control is not the answer. Done correctly, Red Flag/ERPOs provide a powerful tool to stop shootings, without treading on the 2A rights of law-abiding citizens.
Glad to see this idea taking root with others.
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All-In [40981]
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Mass murderers are severely mentally ill, that's for sure.
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May 24, 2022, 11:29 PM
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It's a common thread in almost every single mass murder incident, maybe the most common. Funny how that's rarely mentioned as a causative factor when solutions are being proposed.
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Orange Blooded [2527]
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Re: Spare us your asinine ramblings for once.
May 25, 2022, 9:54 AM
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Awwh now Jimmy Ha Ha, that's so childish of you (something the board has become accustomed to) ...pull your self together and re-read my post. Do you have any better ideas?
Calling me an old codger? Nothing could be further from the case. LNAO
You wanna debate me in person on this issue? Is this where you disappear? Cajones problem? Bring it, if you dare. Miura will slice and dice you in a debate!
I look forward to the day when you stop embarrassing yourself. Gawd I love you lefties: unhinged, racist, intolerance, vulgar and hateful!! Did I leave anything out?
Should I assume that you're a Biden advocate, even after a disastrous 16 months? Try harder.
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End communist schools. Problem solved.***
May 24, 2022, 10:13 PM
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Dare I ask for an explanation?
May 25, 2022, 10:50 AM
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Should we end communist grocery stores, movie theaters, and concert venues to stop shootings there?
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110%er [5772]
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End communist schools. Problem solved.***
May 24, 2022, 10:13 PM
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Re: The recurring school massacre problem is easy to solve:
May 24, 2022, 10:54 PM
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Students can carry their books (and a sidearm) in a tactical backpack like this.
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Re: The recurring school massacre problem is easy to solve:
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May 25, 2022, 6:48 AM
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Wouldn’t it be wise to define what is meant by gun control rather than throw out a nebulous petition? Who would sign that not knowing the details? Only a knee jerk individual??
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Re: The recurring school massacre problem is easy to solve:
May 25, 2022, 9:55 AM
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Good grief; brilliant, freaking brilliant. Great logic and common sense! LMAO
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Re: The recurring school massacre problem is easy to solve:
May 25, 2022, 12:38 PM
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You don't believe our children have a right to defend themselves? Please elaborate.
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Wow. That's all it would take?
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May 25, 2022, 7:33 AM
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Locking the doors?
Most schools (not sure about this one) have SRO's that are armed and trained to take out threats.
Thanks for that valuable insight
Anybody who hasn't been in a classroom since the invention of dry erase markers shouldn't have an opinion in this
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Re: Wow. That's all it would take?
May 25, 2022, 7:35 AM
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So what is the solution?
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Mental health first and foremost
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May 25, 2022, 7:36 AM
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We didn't have this problem when we locked the people with mental health issues in asylums.
I am not advocating for asylums, but we can send 40 billion dollars to a country halfway across the world but can't provide adequate funding to social services such as mental health initiatives.
Thanks to Reagan we released all of these mental health cases out in the the general population with little to no support or way to keep track of them. And the issue is ever worse now.
Instead we stigmatize people in mental crisis. It is a common occurrence that if a job hears about you getting metal health treatment, you'll probably lose your job. Then we arm them with the largest civilian arsenal on earth, and wonder why this keeps happening.
"There's nothing we can do!!" says the only country where this occurs regularly.
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Re: Mental health first and foremost
May 25, 2022, 7:47 AM
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We didn't have this problem when we locked the people with mental health issues in asylums.
I am not advocating for asylums, but we can send 40 billion dollars to a country halfway across the world but can't provide adequate funding to social services such as mental health initiatives.
Thanks to Reagan we released all of these mental health cases out in the the general population with little to no support or way to keep track of them. And the issue is ever worse now.
Instead we stigmatize people in mental crisis. It is a common occurrence that if a job hears about you getting metal health treatment, you'll probably lose your job. Then we arm them with the largest civilian arsenal on earth, and wonder why this keeps happening.
"There's nothing we can do!!" says the only country where this occurs regularly.
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Ronald Reagan was dead long before this shooter was a beam in his dads eye.
We've had numerous presidents since
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And none of them have addressed the mental health
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May 25, 2022, 7:48 AM
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crisis this country is dealing with
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Re: And none of them have addressed the mental health
May 25, 2022, 7:53 AM
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I don’t have any issue with increased mental health care. I do think the problem runs much deeper.
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Mental health is not the final solution
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May 25, 2022, 7:54 AM
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this is a convoluted issue that will take multiple solutions. However, all we will really get is a lot of "thoughts and prayers" some bickering back and forth and then absolutely #### all will be done about it.
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Re: Mental health is not the final solution
May 25, 2022, 12:18 PM
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probably right
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reagan really
May 25, 2022, 10:32 AM
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remember when obama had filibuster proof margin in senate control of house and himself
he could have fixed everything
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Re: Wow. That's all it would take?
May 25, 2022, 10:00 AM
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I mentor (YMCA program) a 10 year old an an elementary school near by. Trust me, those doors are LOCKED, big time, until they ID me!
So, you're against internally locked doors and armed guards? Brilliant, coach freakin' brilliant!!
Have anymore dumb comments?
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Sandy Hook was locked up tight
May 25, 2022, 12:14 PM
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The shooter shot out a window to get in
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Re: Wow. That's all it would take?
May 25, 2022, 10:25 AM
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Hey Coachette: What percentage of schools have SROs that are armed? You say MOST. How many schools with armed SROs have been attacked recently? You seem to suggest that we don't need anymore armed SROs. Back up your claim. I'll wait.
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If they're an SRO
May 25, 2022, 10:51 AM
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They're armed because they're a cop.
But not all schools across the nation have an SRO.
You know, that costs money. Everyone okay with paying for it?
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Okay. I'll entertain that
May 25, 2022, 10:48 AM
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Are you all ready to pony up more tax dollars for this? Because that's going to cost a lot. I mean a lot of money.
And arming teachers won't solve it; military and police all agree this is a terrible idea.
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I am
May 25, 2022, 10:54 AM
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get rid of teacher unions and increase funding
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You want this done on a federal level?
May 25, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Because unions are a state-by-state thing. I mean, we can discuss having federally funded security added to all schools, but that's really gonna be a price tag.
Seems like making this a state or district plan would make more sense. That's partly why you see shootings happen like this in some places and shut down in others. Not all district security is the same.
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Noooo, the state level
May 25, 2022, 4:29 PM
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The federal education budget should be zero
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Re: Okay. I'll entertain that
May 25, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Absolutely willing to pay for it. Some schools already have armed teachers. Those teachers are trained to use a gun and have to be comfortable having a gun in their classrooms.
What's the argument against armed teachers?
Do you seriously think guns and mentally ill crazies are going to cease to exist, ever? We MUST defend our children, regardless of the costs. Easy decision.
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Re: Okay. I'll entertain that
May 25, 2022, 1:32 PM
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The argument against it--which military and police agree with--is that it takes some very serious special training to train someone to kill another person. That's something many teachers don't want. You're also asking them to potentially shoot a student they know--that's a lot different for a soldier or cop. And the chaos of such a moment is overwhelming; trained officers and military discuss how difficult it is for them to learn such operations even without a crowded, chaotic school.
Do you seriously think guns and mentally ill crazies are going to cease to exist, ever? We MUST defend our children, regardless of the costs. Easy decision.
No, I don't think that. But arming teachers won't prevent this.
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Re: Okay. I'll entertain that
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May 25, 2022, 1:39 PM
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I’d be more afraid of a student getting hands on an unattended weapon than anything else. I don’t think it takes a lot of skill to kill someone. This 18 yo guy just killed over 20 with guns he bought a week ago. Apparently it took an “elite border patrol agent” to take him out. Given this situation and others, I’d probably prefer to be armed if I were working in a school. However it would be a huge responsibility and a lot of potential to go bad.
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This
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May 25, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Basically we would be training a bunch of (mostly) 23-year-old sorority girls to suddenly pack heat and hope a disaster doesn't happen in a school where the kids give two ##### about teachers and authority. Hell, some get attacked by them.
And then there's the old biddies nearing retirement...
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Re: Okay. I'll entertain that
May 25, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Why don't we just allow all the students to keep a sidearm in their backpack? Maybe even let some of them keep an AR strapped across their back?
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