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Orange Blooded [4302]
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The QB choice and "leaking stats" for only KB.....
Aug 29, 2018, 9:50 AM
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There are a few that seem to think it is shady of the coaches to release KB's stats from the 2 stadium scrimmages while not releasing all of the QB stats. Some have inferred that this is way of justifying the coaches decision to start KB over Lawrence, while not giving out the stats for Lawrence. An inference here is that Lawrence may have had better stats I am assuming.
However, some of you may not have been paying attention throughout all fall camp, or have selectively decided to forget some things. Here are some items of note from the scrimmage articles here on TNet....
From the 8-11 Scrimmage:
No offensive turnovers (great for all QBs)
KB & Brice each threw 2 TDs
All 3 had TD throws
Kelly and TL both won all their reps (I would infer this means no Ints)
Sounds like all of the QBs had a good day - No inference of any QB separating from others in this scrimmage.
From the 8-16 Scrimmage:
1st team O and 1st Team D did not face each other
1st Team O scored every possession
1st Team D did not give up a score
Dabo said it was KB's "best day" of camp - several TDs
Dabo said TL had a good day but "missed a few things"
Sounds like KB had the better day compared to TL.
What I'm trying to point out is that it's not like the coaches have been hiding things all throughout camp just to try and give them cover to name KB the starter. If you have paid attention throughout fall camp, then it was obvious that KB was playing well and that while TL was making improvements and the competition was close, he had not done enough to unseat the starter, who is having a great camp. THIS IS NOT BAD NEWS. It is only negative if it doesn't fit your own narrative that TL should be starting because of how KB played last year and in the Spring Game. Thankfully, all of the players had the opportunity to improve from last year and the spring, and it sounds like KB has seized that opportunity. Relax and enjoy, and stop trying to push false narratives.
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Re: The QB choice and "leaking stats" for only KB.....
Aug 29, 2018, 10:06 AM
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https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article216098715.html
"4. The quarterbacks
All three quarterbacks had their good moments, but Lawrence was probably the most consistent. Bryant got off to a strong start with the short passes but overthrew four or five deep balls and was frustrated with himself after missing back-to-back deep throws near the end of the open period. Lawrence missed a couple of short throws but was very accurate with the intermediate and deep passes. He has more arm strength than the other two quarterbacks he is competing with, but as Renfrow noted after practice, you can throw with touch and less arm strength and still throw a very catchable ball. Chase Brice missed on a few passes but also made some nice throws and was consistent overall."
Find any other article or coach interview from the first practice of the fall that mentions what you read above...TigerNet, TCI, RubbingTheRock....anywhere else. Interesting only one place had the guts to report Kelly was over-throwing and "getting frustrated" looking again, while Trevor was seen as the most consistent. No other report discussed it, mentioned it, or even hinted at an issue. To me, that is a bit biased on what is getting out there.
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People can say what they want but the fact is Trevor beat out Kelly in camp
Aug 29, 2018, 10:14 AM
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But to keep the team together (because that's kb's boys) they had to let Kelly start. It's a shame that they are lying and acting like he is lightyears better than last year though. And if your going to release stats to prove your decision then you need to release all the stats, not just the guy you want to start.
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Re: People can say what they want but the fact is Trevor beat out Kelly in camp
Aug 29, 2018, 10:24 AM
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I don't think he beat him out. I do think they ended fairly equal though, minus game management, leadership, and confidence (per Elliott). He earned his start, and was always going to be the game 1 starter. Trevor had bad days as well...those were reported pretty openly (missed TE throws Kelly made, his "freshman mistakes" learning what throws he can and can't make in college he could in HS, some picks reported). I just think it's interesting how that came out, and none of the interviews mentioned anything of it. Just goes to show that the coaches are indeed trying to keep some things in house when managing the QB battle.
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Of course they are, and I really don't blame them.
Aug 29, 2018, 10:34 AM
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Some people will grasp on to the notes / outcomes of one or two practices and use that to drive their narrative for the whole camp. If Dabo came out that first day and said "Well, KB missed some of those deep balls again", well the "TL is Second Coming" crowd would never have given KB another chance throughout fall practice.
As you said, TL was going to have truly beat out KB to be the day 1 starter, and that did not happen. I think they are handling it correctly and play both (I assume and hope they will get TL early series, not just 2nd half snaps). It will become clear by the end of the A&M game if we have 1 true starter that is better than the others, or if we have 2 (maybe 3) that truly can be great.
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Re: People can say what they want but the fact is Trevor beat out Kelly in camp
Aug 29, 2018, 10:45 AM
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Seems to be your business when it's Trevor, but not when it's Kelly. Have you not been posting a bunch about Trevor's practices in your retorts, all his negative things? But now it's "no one's business" when it's about Kelly. Interesting how that works. Yes, I know, I am A-hole for pointing out things. Next childish name you'll call me in 3..2...1...
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Re: People can say what they want but the fact is Trevor beat out Kelly in camp
Aug 29, 2018, 11:36 AM
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"People can say what they want"
AKA I'm not interested in considering all facts and variables
"But the fact is that Trevor beat out Kelly in camp"
AKA I'm going to make a baseless speculatory statement and try to pass it off as fact
You conspiracy theorist fans kill me. Dabo Swinney, one of the top coaches in CFB is starting a lesser QB because the players like Kelly? Really?
Because these decisions can turn into dollars and cents for these players. They might like one player, but do you really think that even the players want to start a QB that gives them less of a chance to win games just because they're buddies?
Ridiculous.
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Re: The QB choice and "leaking stats" for only KB.....
Aug 29, 2018, 10:57 AM
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The difference though is that this article chronicles one practice, whereas the OP and other sites have given information on MULTIPLE practices.
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Re: The QB choice and "leaking stats" for only KB.....
Aug 29, 2018, 11:21 AM
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...yet only 1 QB worth...which has been people's point.
What exactly (pared to each one) were Trevor's, Chase's, and Batson's stats in the last 2 scrimmages? We've seen one other than Kelly posted by Bourret, though never was told which of the 3 it was (even after it was directly asked)....and it didn't match what they said about Trevor's day of either scrimmage.
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Re: The QB choice and "leaking stats" for only KB.....
Aug 29, 2018, 12:54 PM
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Here is what I think. I stink that TL still doesn't know the playbook near as well as KB and doesn't play as fast. KB can also recognize apposing defensives better because of experience. Yes he probably still cant throw the deep ball as well as TL but he can throw 0 to 15 yards fairly well and that's all he needs to do to win all the games up until playoffs. Knowing the playbook is very important when we play up tempo. But I still believe TL will overtake KB by SCAR. I could be wrong because we are literally just a lot better than everyone we play in the regular season.
FSU with the talent may still give us problems considering we haven't faced that offense yet.
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