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the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 5:00 PM
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Forget who you think will be there - if you knew that you should be on Draft Kings or Fanduel and not TNET. Opinions are fine, but they're not much good to anyone other than yourself and the board wags unless you're on the playoff committee.
So instead do it as a straight-up comparison. Look at it from a political standpoint, which is unfortunately how everything works, and we've got Archie Manning to thank for telling us exactly how rife with politics the Playoff Committee is.
So who would an undefeated Clemson beat out without much gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair, not to mention backroom dealing and State Legislature cries of infidelity?
Be honest to yourself now - does an undefeated Clemson beat out:
- a once beaten (say by Michigan or MSU) defending champion Ohio State. Good luck on that one as popular sentiment will be for the Buckeyes even if they are the 2nd team from the B1G. Everybody knows champs should get to defend their title. Right? This doesn't mean they've got to be B1G Champs. Hardly. They could even get pushed out of the B1G CG and still make the playoff this way, with their only loss coming to one of the Michigans. The nightmare scenario for Clemson is for Iowa to go unbeaten and win the B1GCG over MSU, and then for Ohio State to beat MSU and lose to Michigan close. That's an unbeaten Iowa and 1-loss defending champs both eyeing the prize....
- a once-beaten Baylor that loses to say Texas Tech but beats a previously unbeaten TCU. In this scenario, Baylor would be declared the Big12 Champ and I doubt the committee has the political weight to leave Baylor out two years in a row regardless the circumstance. This scenario works for TCU as well unfortunately. The sum total is that either way that game falls likely yields a spot in the Playoff just because of what happened last year.
- a once beaten Stanford. This would mean they would be Pac 12 Champs and would have Notre Dame's scalp on their resume, as well as UCLA, Cal, and likely Utah in the Pac12CG. Since their only loss occurred in week 1, and their SOS would be light-years ahead of an ACC SOS, with the common foe of Notre Dame, I'd bet the committee would skip Stanford over an unbeaten Clemson without even breathing hard. That's politics folks...
- a 1-loss SEC Champ Florida. Give me a break. There's no way on Hades or Earth that Clemson wins this comparison. ESPN would threaten to pull their service from every State Legislator's home across the country before they'd let this happen.
- it gets worse. If the Gators win the SECCG over Bama, it's possible LSU is a 1-loss team having lost only at Bama but beaten the SEC Champ Gators without having played in the SECCG. If the Tigers show out in the Bama game even in a loss, the SEC spinsters will be hyping a 2-team SEC contingent to the playoff big-time. And I'm not even going to suggest what a Heisman performance from Fournette does to those odds. Remember here that one of the pluses for Clemson's schedule is a possible win over FSU. Unfortunately Florida gets a shot at them too, and if Florida beats the Noles, then every other SEC team gets the credit as well in the media's eyes... basically the win over the Noles then becomes meaningless to Clemson when in comparison to a UF SEC Championship.
- a 1-loss Notre Dame. Wow; bad, bad news. Say Utah runs the table. Likely? Maybe not. But if they do, then the Pac12 has an automatic entry based on perception of the strength of the conference. Then if Notre Dame beats Stanford, they'll also have beaten Pitt to get to the end of the season as a 1-loss team. Pitt currently leads the ACC Coastal, and has as good a chance as anyone over there to play in the ACCCG. If Clemson were to squeak by Pitt, but Notre Dame were to beat them soundly, a 1-loss Notre Dame would get a tremendous amount of support over an undefeated Clemson. Suffice it to say that Clemson doesn't want to see Pitt at all in the ACCCG if THE Touchdown Jesus runs the table. Fair? Hail no. Politics? As certain as death and taxes. Likely? Lots of ifs for sure, but the Domers have a load of political clout, and this is only one scenario for them to be a 1-loss team and eyeing a spot in the Playoff. You'd be crazy to think otherwise...
The absolute safest bet is obviously for Clemson to be the only unbeaten at the end of the year. But given the names of those involved, I also highly doubt a 1-loss Tiger team gets an invite. There's simply too much politics for that to happen... imho, of course.
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Re: the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 5:02 PM
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If Clemson goes undefeated, we make the playoffs period. No questions asked.
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disagree, but only my opinion...***
Oct 19, 2015, 5:05 PM
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Re: the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 5:15 PM
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I would agree....if I had faith in the CFB playoff committee being unbiased and unpolitical. I believe that our fate, being a member of the ACC, the much hearalded and touted eSECpn narrative of "the one that will be left out since the Big12 got left out last year!" All that talk before even one single down had been played. I understand committee members have to recuse themselves where their affiliated school is discussed but I don't see D Rad as a guy that has anyone's best interest at heart but his. He's just resume' building for his next job. So, we could possibly be 13-0 on the outside looking in while Alabama, Notre Dame, and any other "traditional powers" expert their political influence on the committee. I'm a skeptic.
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Re: the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 5:19 PM
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*** exert their political influence, not expert.***
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I am appropriately educated....
Oct 19, 2015, 7:07 PM
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do I get like a diploma with that? how 'bout a tassel?
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It really depends on who else is undefeated. And a 1-loss
Oct 19, 2015, 9:59 PM
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Bama is in, you can bet on that. The only other 1 loss team that could possibly get in ahead of an undefeated Clemson...Stanford is possible, because of when they lost, and they would have several inpressive wins late in the season. I don't think a one loss OhST or Baylor would get in ahead of an undefeated Clemson, because their losses would come late in the season, not enough time to recover like Bama or Stanford.
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Did you miss 2014?
Oct 19, 2015, 5:07 PM
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See FSU and their resume and results compared to TCU and Baylor last year.
Our resume this year will be much better than FSU last year assuming we win out. Just win and we're in.
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Re: Did you miss 2014?
Oct 19, 2015, 6:18 PM
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also, don't underplay Dabo and his post game speeches, dances and press conferences where he makes sports center while spouting stats and wins...
Keeping us in the news will go a long way...
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FSU got in last year because they were the Defending Champs...
Oct 19, 2015, 7:04 PM
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that's why there wasn't discussion about leaving them out relative to Baylor or TCU.
They also had the Heisman Trophy in tow with Shame-us Winston.
Baylor and TCU will not have significantly different schedules than us if FSU and Notre Dame don't win out.
We crow about beating Louisville, yet Louisville is part of the 0-5 record that the ACC has against the American Athletic conference. The AAC has played more like a Power 5 conference than has the ACC. If you don't think the Committee is going to make a point of 5 ACC losses to the AAC, I would beg to differ.
If you want to argue facts, then good. If all you've got is an opinion, then fine... make sure to put the exclamation point beside it though so that people know you're really committed and emphatic about it.
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The ACC Isn't 0-5 Against the American Athletic Conference
Oct 19, 2015, 8:15 PM
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The ACC is 3-4 against the AAC right now and not 0-5 according to what I've collected. That's still not very good.
ECU beat VA Tech
South FL beat Syracuse
Cincinnati beat Miami
Houston beat Louisville
FSU beat South Florida
Duke beat Tulane
GA Tech beat Tulane
Did I miss something?
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As far as the ND scenario goes...
Oct 19, 2015, 5:14 PM
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Why on earth (or how) could an undefeated team be ranked lower than a 1-loss team...whose loss is BY the undefeated team?
The Stanford and ND scenarios cannot both happen. Stanford beating Utah would be interesting.
The 1-loss Florida team and 2 SEC team scenario is a VERY long shot, as that would mean LSU would have to go undefeated, then replay Florida in the Champ game, and then lose. All other teams in that division will have 1 or more losses, and then would gain another by Florida. They would not put Bama in, whose loss to now 2-loss Ole Miss, who didn't even play for the title game, especially when they would have had to lose to LSU, meaning they'd have 2 losses.
Regarding champ should get to defend themselves...No, not if they don't play themselves in. If FSU had a single loss last year, they wouldn't have been in. Bama didn't defend 2 years ago. If Iowa goes undefeated, they are in.
Only undefeated teams COULD beat Clemson. There will not be 4 others by the end unless OSU, Baylor/TCU (really Baylor, TCU would get the FSU treatment), Utah, and LSU all win out.
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we had them at home, and won by less than the 3 point advantage that
Oct 19, 2015, 5:59 PM
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generally goes to the home team. so on a neutral field, the argument is that they are better. Had it stayed 24-9 like it was in the 4th, then there would be no argument.
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Wrong! LSU could end up with 1 loss by losing to Bama
Oct 19, 2015, 12:43 PM
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and not even getting into the SECCG.
There's the rub that most people aren't thinking about....
It could happen with Ohio State as well. They could lose to Michigan after beating Mich State, but not go to the B1GCG. Then they'd be a 1-loss Defending National Champ, with possibly Iowa as the B1G Champ.
This type of scenario exerts tremendous pressure on the Committee when it is being asked to choose from two teams out of the same conference. It's tough if it isn't clear that the conference regular season champ has the better team.
In other words, Florida wins the the SECCG by beating Bama and is a 1-loss SEC Champ.
How do you pick them over LSU if LSU's only loss is to Bama, and LSU beat Florida? The Committee's hand is forced there because Florida is the SEC Champ even as they lost to another 1-loss team, LSU.
Those that are waving their hands over it and saying that an undefeated Clemson gets in no matter what might indeed be surprised.
Certainly hope not, but stranger things have happened in college football.
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Just further proof there should be more than 4 teams in it.
Oct 19, 2015, 10:12 PM
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Anyone with a brain knows if you have 5 mojor confernces, you need more than a four team playoff. I think 8 is ideal, but would be happy with 6. The five conference winners, plus on at large, whether that be ND, BYU, the top group of five team or the best PF that didn't win their conference. Let the committe pick the at large team and seed the six. A whole lot less subjective and faired than what we have now.
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Synopsis: If Clemson wins out, Clemson goes to the playoffs.***
Oct 19, 2015, 5:18 PM
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Yep***
Oct 19, 2015, 5:46 PM
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Re: the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 6:18 PM
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Try this scenario on.Clemson has had only one undefefeated season in it's history
so why is anybody even considering an undefeated season?
I would think the coaching staff is not considering an undefeated season.It's a one game season,remember!
I would think even the players are are not considering an undefeated season.
Play one game at a time,then if we go undefeated,you can tell me so.
Oh,you do have one thing correct.A one loss Clemson team will be left out.
And if you want to call it politics,well Donald Trump is intown.
Donald Trump seems to be having fun with politics.
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Here's why anyone is considering an undefeated season
Oct 19, 2015, 6:23 PM
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With a loss...
If the loss is to FSU, Clemson won't be playing in the ACCCG. Only an ACC champion would make the playoffs.
If the loss anyone else, then Clemson "Clemsoned" and is out of the playoff picture.
The only path to the playoffs is to win out.
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Re: the politics of politics - having fun, or not, with scenarios....
Oct 19, 2015, 7:15 PM
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According to "ESUCSECPN Championship Drive", there are good losses. Bammer only lost to ole siss by six due to the fluke td pass that kelly tossed up for grabs. Michigan's loss to MSU is good for them because they really won the game. ND's loss to Clemson was really a win, because ND played in a driving rain storm and lost on the last play. Apparently Clemson didn't play that game in a driving rain. The powers that be, will do everything they can to keep us out.
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Dabo and I say let's beat Miami.........FOCUS........Please!***
Oct 19, 2015, 8:39 PM
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