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TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released
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TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released


Jun 4, 2021, 10:18 AM

 
ESPN projections for Clemson football season released

Will Clemson football run the table? The odds are in its favor according to one ESPN metric. ESPN's Bill Connelly gave an early look at the ESPN SP+ projections for the Tigers and Clemson is favored by 18 points or more in all but one game. Connelly posted the numbers on social media in a commentary Read Update »


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Hey Bill...


Jun 4, 2021, 10:41 AM

Clemson doesn't dictate the ACC schedule and also play's two SEC teams. Really... The AAC is better than that? Don't let facts get in the way of your logic you effing hack.

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Re: Hey Bill...


Jun 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

He only mentions Ga because can you really call the coots and SEC team?

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Re: Hey Bill...


Jun 7, 2021, 12:14 AM

So in the last 10 years and in general, the SEC is better at championships (6) Bama 5, LSU 1; ACC (3) Clemson 2, FSU 1, with 1 by Ohio State.
All big State schools, with lower admission standards than the ACC. Clemson is special!
Clemson should drop games like SC State and UCON; and add Coastal, App State, Ga Southern, and other good games.
Otherwise we have a 12 game qualifying schedule, and a tough 3 game playoff......
Go Tigers, Beat Georgia!

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He's got a point; we will COAST (pun intended).


Jun 4, 2021, 10:59 AM [ in reply to Hey Bill... ]

I hear you, but he's not wrong that we really don't have any marquee matchups after UGA.

There's no such thing as an easy schedule, but this one seems about as favorable as it gets; we don't even have any bye-week opponents this year (again).

There are AAC teams with more competitive games than us I think was his point (rather than the league being better than the ACC). I wish we got Notre Dame this year, but the ACC has helped us tremendously & consistently for a decade now, while Clemson does the rest by scheduling teams like UGA.

I'm hopeful we'll get UNC in December & just as hopeful they'll be better than 8-4 again, but still.

It's harder for me to take stories like this personally than to celebrate how much the schedule can help us, especially if some other top teams lose a game or two, know what I mean?

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Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released


Jun 4, 2021, 11:21 AM

Uh, hey Bill, let’s see your ESECPN accuracy rate on predicting Clemson for the last 6 years. Did you have us in the playoffsall 6 years and the natty 4 times? Hmmm?

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Jun 4, 2021, 11:26 AM

ESPN’s SEC propaganda. This is NOT news. It will be news if it ever changes.

Same ol’ same ol’ from ESPN. When Clemson smashes the ACC, the ACC is weak and Clemson is suspect.

When Bama smashes the SEC, Bama is the most amazing team anyone has even seen and we’ll just ignore that Bama has been smashing the SEC for more than a decade.

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Jun 4, 2021, 11:40 AM

Clemson smashes the ACC in part because the ACC is weak. As a conference, the ACC has a 42-54 bowl record over the past 10 seasons, including 0-6 last year. Outside of Clemson, ain't exactly a bunch of world beaters there.

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Jun 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

AFDAWG, just how many national titles have teams from the SEC East won in the past ten years? During that time, a few teams (Bama, Clemson, LSU) won titles with squads that were that much better than the rest of the nation. Clemson would run through the “world beaters” of the SEC East too. Please remind me again how many 4th quarters Joe Burrow and Tua had to play...

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Jun 4, 2021, 1:47 PM

Nothing in your response has anything to do with the strength of the ACC. Rather than address that, you choose to drag the SEC East in to it.

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UGA would not survive in the ACC...


Jun 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

List of ACC teams with National Championships since 1981...

Miami x 5
Clemson x 3
FSU x 3
GT x 1
UGA x 0

UGA reminds me a lot of a VT type program. Good, no doubt, but not elite like the ACC programs listed above.

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Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released


Jun 4, 2021, 2:05 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

Last year with a 10 game SEC only schedule, Alabama won by an average of 32.7 points. This was not Alabama’s fault. The Tide was that much better than everyone else. Clemson is the only team that can win but “ not by enough” and be dropped in rankings. Is the ACC down? Yes. But let’s be honest. Clemson would have been very successful with the regular season schedule that Alabama played last year. The SEC teams are not able to year in and year out hang with Alabama either. But Alabama is not penalized for it. The frustration from the Tiger faithful is you do not hear anyone talking about Alabama’s lack of strength of schedule. All you hear is the “SEC is a mighty football conference”. The double standard gets old.

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Can you elaborate?


Jun 4, 2021, 2:29 PM

I'm listening, but it sounds like you're saying Alabama getting a "pass" for their schedule means it's basically equal to ours? I'm not sure I understand?

Even if we were playing the same teams, we don't even have a bye-week opponent this season. I can't imagine we'd ever let that slide for Alabama, for example; we'd be livid (as would the whole country)!

Last year we DID have a great schedule, to be fair, including the most-watched ACC game of all time. This year, I mean, after UGA I'm just not sure I understand why people are upset at the suggestion it's not competitive, which seems like a legitimate take.

I hear you on Alabama's win margin average last year, even in spite of the competitive games like UGA, Ole Miss & Florida, but I'm not sure I understand the "pass" part? I thought they earned their way into the playoff, but that's the point of the playoff, too; even if we disagree on the schedule outright, the playoff pits those teams against each other (rather than, say, the top two based partially on computer analytics & current coaches).

Make no mistake, it's been in our favor a lot too, know what I mean? But until we start using the CFP rankings for more than 2 games a year, it's always going to be a fleeting argument for schedule strength by nature.

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Use CFP rankings?


Jun 6, 2021, 5:59 AM

"But until we start using the CFP rankings for more than 2 games a year". The CFP committee cannot even use the same reasoning to rank teams from one to another during the same week. All it is, is their eye test with (Insert stupid explanation to justify ranking here).

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Perhaps, but it's only for pitting competitive teams


Jun 6, 2021, 9:14 AM

Bareftn said:

"But until we start using the CFP rankings for more than 2 games a year". The CFP committee cannot even use the same reasoning to rank teams from one to another during the same week. All it is, is their eye test with (Insert stupid explanation to justify ranking here).





Yes, perhaps, but the point is we all agree on their rankings enough for it to be the only rankings that determine place; even if we disagree with their positions, we ultimately accept their choices en masse. There isn't enough disagreement with, say, 5th place to incite enough fan fury to change the system like we did to get the playoff in the first place, know what I mean?

I digress, the rankings are only a guide, and could really only come from the previous season's results. The point is that it removes a lower-tier opponent and replaces it with an arguably top-24 team & vastly more interesting matchup.

In other words, the rankings don't have to be exact and won't be necessarily accurate by nature; every team changes every season, but put all of the top-24 teams in a hat and pick out 12 matches for them to have in, say, week 5. That single game-swap alone could be enormous (imagine who we might replace SC State with this year, for example).

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:30 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

You'll get no argument from me that Clemson would be successful in the SEC. But its also true their road to the playoffs would be more challenging with a schedule every year that included teams like Florida, A&M, Bama, LSU, UGA and Auburn. When has Clemson been penalized for playing in the ACC? They are ranked one or two every year. Bama's success in the SEC has nothing to do with strenght of the the ACC.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:06 PM

Clemson was penalized in 2019 for playing an ACC schedule. The Tigers were not “winning by enough” to satisfy the talking heads. I believe the team was dropped to number five at one point. It got so bad that Dabo went on a rant about the difficulty of going undefeated. The SEC teams that you listed were so “tough”, Bama’s starting quarterbacks have played very few fourth quarters against them. If Alabama drops a regular season game, no problem. The same cannot be said for Clemson.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:26 PM

I wouldn't say we were penalized though since we made the CFP. It's not as if we've been in a situation where an unbeaten Clemson team is behind a 1 or 2 loss team from another conference at this point. In fact, in 2017 we had 1 loss and still ended up being the #1 team in the CFP due to having so many ranked teams on our schedule that season.

It would only be unfair IMO if we played a schedule with 4 or 5 ranked teams, went unbeaten, and then ended up behind a team from another conference who only played 1 or 2 ranked teams. If we beat Georgia so start this coming season we'll end up getting a ton of respect. If we happen to lose that game and the ACC is as down as everyone thinks it is then prepare to hear a ton of talk about our schedule not being great.

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Jun 4, 2021, 4:35 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

Very few 4th quarters?

That's just not accurate, though? I mean, even teams they smashed like Tennessee their starting QB was still in the game at the end, for example. The in-league games in particular seem different, but certainly less 4th-quarter action for our guys by comparison, know what I mean?

And he's right (above); we still got into the playoff, which also helped us get into the national title game.

We can complain the rankings are illegitimate all we want, but there's only so much Clemson University can do to fix it.

This year, we replaced Wyoming with UGA. That was an absolute COUP.

But we can still get left out. If we do, no matter how much we believe we deserve it, what will we do? Will we complain louder than before? That seems likely. Or will we make a deliberate attempt to do something about it?

I don't think ANY team has consistently been in the same situation as Clemson in terms of their eliteness not necessarily being enough to guarantee a spot in the playoff any given season... but this season in particular.

That's why I wish it was US and CLEMSON trying to do something about it instead of just insisting everyone else is wrong & Pitt is a team to fear, know what I mean? Change the scheduling nationwide, even just for one game a season. Lead a charge to adjust the possibilities instead of waiting for another team in the league to be competitive again (& then hoping they aren't left off the schedule by division coincidence like UNC & Miami, or accidentally like Notre Dame).

I guess I don't understand why it doesn't bother us more, particularly for 2021's schedule, but I'm absolutely terrified of the day it does because it will likely be a result of a doomsday scenario for our Tigers. Fingers crossed we never see it, but until then I'm definitely hoping for bigger games more often in the future.

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The point is that the reverse is also true...


Jun 4, 2021, 11:37 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

the strength of the ACC has nothing to do with the success of Clemson except for the fact that Clemson has to play ACC teams.

no team in the SEC poses a regular challenge to Bama, just as no team in the ACC poses a regular challenge to Clemson. Blindfold both teams, spin them around to put them into a new conference and their success will be the same as long as they are not in the same conference, although Bama does have a greater chance to be as successful as usual than Clemson because overall, Bama has shown more success.

We are at a point where neither of these teams gets a regular challenge but from less than a handful of teams from the entire country, it's time to not even bother with strength of schedule when discussing Bama or Clemson because they both are the strength of EVERYBODY else's schedule...

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Re: The point is that the reverse is also true...


Jun 5, 2021, 9:25 AM

"no team in the SEC poses a regular challenge to Bama"

That just doesn't seem accurate outright? I'm not sure I understand the comparison to the ACC in particular outright, either, but especially this year; we don't play the top teams or Notre Dame.

We don't even have a bye-week opponent this year (again) to have extra time to prepare for the best team in the league. It's no coincidence Alabama & Notre Dame often face the NCAA-maximum number of rested opponents, know what I mean?

Make no mistake, Alabama has more opportunities BECAUSE they have more competitive teams. Beating Alabama in the regular season is often the outlying factor for the Heisman & more, for example. Saying the ACC doesn't need to improve is personal, but saying it's essentially identical to the SEC is misguided at best; frankly I CRAVE the ACC to continue to improve off the back of the ACC Network revenue rather than hope we don't accidentally get another schedule like this year's.

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:31 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

Yet the SEC-East is 9-4 against the ACC over the last 3 years, and 36-28 since 2010.
Heck, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, and even Tennessee have all won their last 3 against the ACC.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:29 PM

I'm not usually one to argue against the ACC not being very good, or one who has a problem with the SEC being looked at as being overall better. However, a 36-28 record does not reflect nearly as much difference in head to head games as most SEC fans would like to believe when discussing the two conferences. That's literally only 3 ACC wins shy of being a 50/50 split of games which to me doesn't reflect a large difference in quality.

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Your Clemson education just befuddled their


Jun 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

starry eyed logic... LOL

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:07 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

Texas...

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Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released


Jun 4, 2021, 2:37 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

So AFDawg, how many points will Alabama be favored over every team they play except Georgia? It will be a similar number and likely an equal probability of victory. So why don’t we discuss the relative weakness of the SEC? In fact, nobody in the “toughest Conference in the nation” can beat The Crimson Tide except Georgia. And then only if Georgia plays a perfect game. I don’t disagree that the ACC is down in recent years. That can be proven statistically. Yet how do we continue to build the case for the “toughness” of your beloved Conference if they really are Alabama and the eleven dwarfs? Just curious.

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:43 PM

Clemson and Bama dominate their respective conferences. On that we agree. If you want to talk about overall SEC strength , I'd suggest we look at bowl games/records.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:22 PM

You can’t look at bowl games anymore since the onset of the playoffs. Players opt out in droves and have no motivation to play a meaningless game. Sorta like when y’all lost to Texas and almost lost to Cincinnati. You didn’t really want to be there, no?

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:50 PM

Players opting out is a fairly recent thing. If you're not going to use wins/losses as a measure of success, I don't know what you use.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:58 PM

Fairly recent? What’s your definition of fairly recent? The opting out is only one part of two I mentioned - the BCS is dead. Bowl games are a stupid joke since the onset of the playoffs. Everybody knows it, as it has been used readily to explain away why teams like UGA lost to a crappy Big 12 team.

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Jun 4, 2021, 4:26 PM

Okay, look at the 5 seasons preceeding the playoffs. ACC went 18-23 in bowl games. They don't seem to do well with or without players opting out.

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I can't believe I'm saying this


Jun 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

I can't believe I'm saying this... but thank God we got UGA on the schedule this year.


If we still had Wyoming, then Pitt becomes the biggest challenge on the schedule.

I don't have to like the SEC one bit to know that's not enough, conspiracy or not. I'm still hoping UNC is better than 8-4 this year outright, but again, thank God for the UGA game. I won't say the SEC slogan for it, but this game is absolutely paramount & I'm thankful we got it (sorry y'all don't get to visit the Upstate of SC, Wyoming fans).

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I remember Alabama losing plenty?


Jun 6, 2021, 9:23 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

I'm not sure I understand the suggestion Alabama only could lose to UGA?

Alabama has lost to Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, etc. in recent years but NOT Georgia.

Suggesting Texas A&M is the same as, say, Pitt (arguably our hardest in-league opponent on the schedule) seems misguided at best.

But even it all things were equal, they play more teams coming off bye-weeks than anyone. Compare that with us at zero this year (again) & I certainly can't understand the suggestion that it's an equal fight.

I hear you on Alabama & Clemson both often being ELITE, but hating on the SEC is one thing, saying stuff like this just makes it sound like we don't know what we're talking about because we can't handle the adversity, so to speak.

We have to handle it, that's all. The ACC is improving, even if any of the relatively competitive teams aren't on our schedule this year, but the SEC has at the very least been consistently competitive, particularly in Alabama's division in the West.

Saying it's Alabama & 11 dwarves seems misguided at best, but that's also counting yourself out of watching some really good football this season again & frankly I'd LOVE a chance to play teams like Texas A&M, Florida & Ole Miss this year, know what I mean? Hell, even just one of them (albeit I think Pitt will be surprisingly fun, although sadly it's a road game).

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Wasn't that way during the Watson era tho


Jun 4, 2021, 6:59 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: ESPN projections for Clemson football season released ]

Louisville was kicking ###
Fsu was too
Duke was killing it

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Good point


Jun 5, 2021, 10:56 AM

The ACC was competitive not that long ago, you're right about that.

If we could get back to that level of competition, that would be brilliant and we'd control our own destiny outright.

For now, none of those teams look competitive for the conference title at all, but fingers crossed for the future and more ACC Network revenue.

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I swear Bill Connolly was hired to talk trash about Clemson


Jun 4, 2021, 11:30 AM

He sounds like your average moron on Facebook commenting about ACC SOS.

Thank God Dabo is good at shutting these schmucks up.

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Jun 4, 2021, 11:41 AM

I have no doubt the rankings of schools on our schedule will improve as the season moves along.

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Jun 5, 2021, 11:00 AM

Which ones? Pitt, perhaps? I just don't know where to find legitimate competition or rankings increases.

My sincere concern is UNC drops lower before we get to play them (hopefully) in the ACC title game with all the guys they lost and their schedule. If they lose 4 games again this year, that's not good.

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Re: I swear Bill Connolly was hired to talk trash about Clemson


Jun 4, 2021, 11:45 AM [ in reply to I swear Bill Connolly was hired to talk trash about Clemson ]

Last year Clemson beat ACC schools (excluding Notre Dame) by an average of 29 points. It isn't Dabo's fault these other teams are so non-competitive with Clemson but SOS is a valid topic.

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Am I the only one who WANTS more big games?


Jun 4, 2021, 2:34 PM

I don't understand any of this.

We're all excited for UGA... BECAUSE it's a big matchup.

We've seen what big games can do & how fun they are, but especially this year, I guess I just don't understand why we take it so personally?

It sucks we CAN'T play, say, UNC or Notre Dame every year when they're competitive (& don't throw 8-4 at me; UNC was legitimately talented last year), but it feels like y'all are saying you don't want those games outright? I don't get it?

I miss big games (last year those were amazing) & there's nothing I want more than to see the league improve, but insisting it doesn't have to or it's equal with a league like the SEC doesn't help, you know? I'm hopeful the ACC Network revenue starts helping more ACC schools more quickly, especially with recruiting, certainly much more than I'm compelled to argue we have anything other than about as favorable a schedule as we could hope for (albeit no such thing as an easy schedule).

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Re: Am I the only one who WANTS more big games?


Jun 4, 2021, 3:33 PM

I agree with you. People on here complain all the time about the perception of the ACC, and how the ACC is just as good as the SEC, and it's only SEC bias that makes people think they're better. Those same people turn around and get pumped about games against teams like Georgia. We could have Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Florida, and possibly even A&M on our schedule and it would be the most talked about game on this forum, and the one people are the most worried about not winning. Why is that I wonder?

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Re: Am I the only one who WANTS more big games?


Jun 4, 2021, 4:30 PM

I think anyone being objective would rank UGA, Bama, Florida, A&M, LSU, and most seasons Auburn, above everyone in the ACC not named Clemson.

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I wouldn't go that far***


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Everyone else does


Jun 7, 2021, 9:00 AM

Particularly the ones that matter. I was hopeful for UNC last year, for example, to be as competitive as a UGA or Auburn, but then they ended up being 8-4 (& like this year, we didn't get to play them anyway).

We don't have to compare favorably to the SEC to see we can keep getting horrendous opportunities, even if only accidentally. The solution has to be deliberate at some point.

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Re: I wouldn't go that far***


Jun 7, 2021, 9:09 AM [ in reply to I wouldn't go that far*** ]

Which of those teams would you not consider the second best among ACC teams?

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I like how Bill has only been at ESPN for a year or two now


Jun 4, 2021, 12:43 PM

and took his own system with him that he's been developing for over a decade, yet everyone here instantly accuses him of the ESECPN bias. I guess before that he was just an unbiased idiot, right?

Before he went over to ESPN i used to listen to his CFB podcast regularly and he's definitely more of a champion of the underdog (G5 in particular) than he is an SEC homer. I also happen to believe he's one of the absolute smartest guys working in CFB media. I'm also a big fan of Bud Elliott whom he used to collaborate with occasionally. Bud is now a regular on the CBS Sports CFB podcast.

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Jun 4, 2021, 1:12 PM

Saw a car here in Charleston yesterday flying stupid Georgia flags! Those Georgia fans are pumped up this year and think they’re going to win the national championship. Just read some of their comments on YouTube videos and other message boards. They are more arrogant than Alabama fans. Got I hope we kick their butt! And I will definitely be pulling for Alabama when they play Georgia!

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the guy isnt wrong just becuase you do not


Jun 4, 2021, 2:15 PM

want to hear it doesnt mean its wrong..after the ga game there is no excuse not to win the remainder of the games by 2 or more scores..playing a weak schedule exposed us last year in the playoffs and exposed us the year before against lsu.

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:46 PM

But I guess it didn’t expose us in 16 or 18 ?

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look at our scheds those years though


Jun 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

acc did carry some water especially in 2016

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Re: the guy isnt wrong just becuase you do not


Jun 4, 2021, 3:36 PM [ in reply to the guy isnt wrong just becuase you do not ]

I agree with the first part, but not about the part about being exposed due to the schedule. We could've played any schedule possible last year, and it wouldn't have changed our situation against Ohio State in terms of how we matched up at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. It wouldn't have changed how LSU was a monster of a team loaded with talent the year before either. The fact that we won 2 recent NC's and also beat Ohio State the game before the LSU game goes against what you're saying.

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Bill Who????????


Jun 4, 2021, 2:42 PM

Nm

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Jun 4, 2021, 4:34 PM

Reinforces what we all know, get by the Dawgs and next 11 should only be lost by our injuries or mistakes. Schedule will not prepare us for ACC Championship and Playoff games unless teams are better than expected.

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Spot on


Jun 4, 2021, 9:18 PM

Good read.

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