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The only solution to young people & mass shootings
Jul 6, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Is to start holding parents accountable for their failure to protect others from their unstable children.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/highland-park-shooting-suspects-parents-problem-says-former-coach?dicbo=v2-cb262b9196f2851fd35e8c10935cd4a1
https://www.foxnews.com/us/father-highland-park-shooting-suspect-sponsored-firearm-ownership-card-past-violent-threats
His mother is an “energy healer” and his father is a failed businessman & failed politician. Multiple times police were called to their house for fighting. The kid attempted or threatened suicide multiple times. Schools & coaches recognized that the parents didn’t care about their children. This father, knowing his son, knowing his mental issues, knowing the stuff he was posting online, helped him get the card he needed to be able to buy these firearms.
If you know your child is unstable, violent, a threat to themselves or to others, DONT help them buy weapons, DONT keep guns in your mother ####### house.
Are guns ever going to be harder to get? No. Are unstable, radicalized, or socially outcast young men ever going to go away? No. The ONLY possible help for this is that parents need to get a ####### grip and wake up. Charging parents of young men who commit acts of mass violence is the only way to get through to the population of ####### parents in this country. This won’t cure every act of gun violence… but I sure bet it would help.
The “system” can only do so much. Some accountability in the home and consequences for complicity can do much more to help.
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Re: The only solution to young people & mass shootings
Jul 6, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Maybe this is more P&R and maybe I still suck at posting in the right forum.
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Valid solution, but not the only solution.
Jul 6, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Raise the age to 21. Ban ARs, the like, and mass stockpiling of ammo. Raise the price of applying for a gun permit and use the extra money to do more thorough background checks. Yes, hold parents accountable for being complicit in ANY way.
The hindsight with most of this #### is that there were clear signs there that people ignored. Hold those turning they head the other way accountable as well.
YOU SEE THAT POLICE CHASE???????????
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21 wont do much.
Jul 6, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Banning ARs wont do much. Anyone who practices can do a mag dump in seconds so 30rd vs. 15rd vs. 10rd will have almost no impact on carnage. AR, AK, Mini-14, etc. Tons of rifles with magazines. ARs just happen to be the trendy gun.
Higher prices for background checks would be helpful if the ####### government actually trading information between agencies.
Holding parents responsible where they enabled is the only solution that could have impact, IMHO. And they should be. This kid was enabled by his parents and they should be charged as an accessory.
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Most of what we can try to do may not do much
Jul 6, 2022, 2:24 PM
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but at this point IMO we need to do SOMETHING.
21 may not help, but it seems as though common denominators of late were:
Under 21
Semi or fully Auto
Purchased legally
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Who had a full auto?***
Jul 6, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Maybe full is incorrect.
Jul 6, 2022, 2:31 PM
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Semi is correct.
IMO ain't no reason for peeps to have that. It certainly follows no logic for hunting, and the notion that we need them to protect ourselves from our own gumment is kinda dumb, charlestontom's opinion notwithstanding.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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You might feel different if you get a peaceful protest in
Jul 6, 2022, 2:36 PM
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your neck of the woods, cause the cops ain't coming to help you as we've seen over and over and over again. Or just consider the general crime they do absolutely nothing about, other than re-release the offender after an overnight snooze in a jail cell with a slap on the wrist.
Plus, we're talking like 1800's era technology here. My favorite pistol was designed in 1911. Maybe I need to trade the truck in for a horse and buggy, too?
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I don't have any data whatsoever to support this, but
Jul 6, 2022, 2:48 PM
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I'm pretty sure I'm hearing far more about innocent people being murdered via mass shootings with semi automatic weapons than I am hearing about heroic homeowners protecting their lives and property and thanking the semi-automatic nature of their weapon as being what made the real difference in life or death.
I suppose I've been manipulated by the media to think in such a way as well.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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I think so, statistically very few people are killed in
Jul 6, 2022, 3:13 PM
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these types of mass shootings. Somebody chasing a crackhead off their property typically doesn't make headlines.
Remember the meth/crackhead/whatever it is he's on whose criminal record I sent you awhile back? I think I sent you his name. Anyway, he got arrested for pointing a handgun at random people downtown Anderson not too long ago. He's back out of jail. So my first thoughts are A) Why TF is this person out of jail and B) Well if he's got a handgun, I probably should too. After all, he has come to my house before.
Given the fact that he is a convicted felon multiple times over, and is still able to access what I assume to be a semi automatic hand gun (doubt it was a flintlock), I don't see the logic in hindering my own ability to access the same level of firepower he clearly has. There are thousands, of not millions of him running around this country too.
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Everything is semi-auto just about...
Jul 6, 2022, 3:51 PM
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one trigger pull = one round fired.
Having a firearm is a good deterrent in most cases. That said, people have also lost their #### minds since COVID. Complete disregard for others.
This mass shooting, while tragic, will likely make up less than 1% of Chicago homicides by the end of the year. The only difference is it was in a rich white area instead of the city.
IIRC, this is the 3 major recent shooting where the kid showed blatant signs of being crazy and the parents did nothing. Parents should be help responsible where they enabled.
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Re: Everything is semi-auto just about...
Jul 6, 2022, 3:57 PM
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Here’s the difference between mass shootings and gang violence or intimate partner violence-
I don’t hang out on urban street corners or at ghetto picnics, and I don’t think my wife is planning on killing me any time soon. But my kids go to schools, and we go to movies, parades, grocery stores, farmers markets, football games, etc. The randomness of these school & mass public shootings is very very different than most other gun violence, and 1000x more concerning for me personally.
Yeah, everyday gun violence is a problem. Mass shootings are a completely separate animal, IMO.
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to elaborate on this sentiment
Jul 6, 2022, 3:19 PM
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seems like there was a big shift in the whole drinking and driving penalties for minors around the time I was coming up through now.
back in y'all's days (assuming you're older, sorry...back in the day), kids would hang out and drink beers, drive home whatever.
now, it's a felony if a kid gets drunk at your house and gets caught going home right? that changed the tune of my dad and bunch of his buddies (all your typical upstate south carolinians haha) real fuggin quick.
Only issue I foresee is, I am not sure the statistics on these whack jobs that are still living with their parents. I think the recent ones, sure, but not entirely positive what the total data set looks like, nor what the expected outcome would be, even if helpful.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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What is "mass supplies" mean? How ill that help?
Jul 6, 2022, 4:32 PM
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I read he shot his AR about 60 times.
Thats like 3 boxes of ammo with some left over. If you buy it like I do..thats like 1 box of ammo, with a lot left over.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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What should the punishment be?
Jul 6, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Large fine?
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Definitely death.
Jul 6, 2022, 1:54 PM
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It’s the only way
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Re: What should the punishment be?
Jul 6, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Maybe something like accessory charges. This actually happened some time recently with a school shooter whose parents KNEW he had his handgun in his book bag and didn’t tell anyone the same day he killed classmates.
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If one of these nutjobs murdered someone in your family
Jul 6, 2022, 2:40 PM
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what would you want the punishment to be?
Someone could propose eliminating the entire bloodline and I'd probably be cool with it.
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Oculus Spirit [79192]
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RONGGG THIS HEAR'S AMURICA AN I CAIN RAIZ MY KEDS
Jul 6, 2022, 1:54 PM
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HOWEVER THE HAYULL I WANT TWO BECAUSE MUH FREEDOMS
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LOL, instill accountability in the home.
Jul 6, 2022, 1:56 PM
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Mrs No has worked in public school education for a couple decades. The stories I hear bout parents...don't think the threat of punishment will fix the pathetic parents out there. But a great idea in theory.
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Stricter restrictions on who can procreate.
Jul 6, 2022, 2:11 PM
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Background checks, tests, etc.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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This is the way, stop incentivizing the crazies to have kids
Jul 6, 2022, 2:22 PM
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Also, start locking up people with face tattoos. They're obviously mentally ill and a danger to society.
And let's be real, we all know at least half a dozen couples who have multiple kids while the wife is on all sorts of crazy pills. In a lot of cases the husband is too. What chance do you think their kids stand of being normal? Not much, cause they're using doping the kids up too.
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attorney for the parents blaming police and lawmakers
Jul 6, 2022, 2:12 PM
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for allowing this kid to legally buy such a weapon.
He obviously knows the parents too well.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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of he is.
Jul 6, 2022, 4:35 PM
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That's what attorneys do.
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As discussed before, you can't put 1/3 of chicago in jail
Jul 6, 2022, 2:48 PM
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just not gonna happen.
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I think we need foreground checks.
Jul 6, 2022, 3:31 PM
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If you have face tattoos, no gun for yous.
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I agree with you. I think red flag laws are worth
Jul 6, 2022, 4:20 PM
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exploring and utilizing, too.
That said, if the facts here turn out to be as-reported, there may be some liability for the parents: negligence, negligent entrustment, wantonness, etc. I'd like to see the parents face a jury for criminal charges, too.
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All the background checks and red flag laws are worthless
Jul 6, 2022, 5:35 PM
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if a persons bad/mentally unstable behavior are never reported and pursued in the system. In addition to bad/complicit parents there is also "restorative justice" advocates who want to keep juveniles from having records that might negatively affect their adult life. Perhaps in addition to figuring out why so many youth are losing their marbles today we could also spend some time figuring out how the reporting of bad/unstable behavior can be vastly improved.
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