|
Replies: 43
| visibility 1
|
Orange Blooded [2669]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 8366
Joined: 8/12/14
|
The loony basketball detractors.
4
10
10
Feb 26, 2023, 11:17 AM
|
|
Before the season started and throughout the beginning of the season we were going to be terrible this year. PJ Hall may never be fully healthy, we didn't have a true point guard, and we had 0 depth. The most predictions were anywhere from 10th to last in the ACC. Clowns like nc tigs even predicted a season that would be the worst under brownell.
Fast forward 3 months and the expectations from these detractors are drastically different......
The detractors now say that We should be 24-5 and first in the ACC. Anything less is "inexcusable". If we simply had a better coach we would easily attain this feat. The detractors are just as mad with brownell as they were before the season.
Do you have no shame? Do you not realize that most of us sane people have a tough time taking you seriously?
Is it that hard to admit you were dead wrong about the season, and just find enjoyment in our basketball team?
|
|
|
|
 |
All-In [31240]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9122
Joined: 8/31/15
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
15
15
Feb 26, 2023, 11:27 AM
|
|
Man do you not realize no one but may be 2 people can take you seriously. I try not to call people out but you fail to understand that this is a culmination of many years and does not only only apply to this year.
We have in some people’s eyes over achieved and I believe that to a certain extent, but no one had a clue the ACC would be what it it is this year and additionally NC and Duke would not be what they have been. NC was pre season #1 and have been no better than we were for a lot of this season. They ended up waxing the floor with us a few weeks back and other bad losses have most feeling we should have been better. We have had some great wins and hope we make the tourney but right now yet again we are on the outside looking in.
Not sure what is so looney about reality. You can spin the stats however you want but to pretend we cannot and should not expect better is an issue.
Some of you create posts like this just to cause disagreement. This has been talked about to death and you have not changed my mind and I do not expect to change yours.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2669]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 8366
Joined: 8/12/14
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 11:28 AM
|
|
What was your prediction on this team before the season?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [31240]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9122
Joined: 8/31/15
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
2
Feb 26, 2023, 11:33 AM
|
|
I did not honestly have one. I just look to make the main event. Anything less is disappointing.
NIT is for losers and could care less if we even accepted the invite if somehow we do not make the 68.
Not sure why with this roster one would not have expected an above average showing this season.
Can’t get caught up in pre season predictions as it is just a guess from the so called experts.
Message was edited by: rhpltmeg®
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [16240]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 12779
Joined: 11/14/09
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 11:44 AM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
I'll add mine since you're asking:
20 wins with maybe up to 22 in the regular, with a fair shot at 6th place in the conference. Prior to the ACC struggling like it has throughout this year compared to seasons past, our conference schedule was heavily favorable - avoiding 2x vs UNC, UVA, and Duke, while heavy on the bottom half of the league. You couldn't have asked for a better draw heading into this year. I also mentioned it might not be enough for an NCAA berth as it would be a challenge still to amass enough quality wins. Wake Forest got jilted last season with a little better overall prior to the ACCT, and Notre Dame's 2nd place ACC finish earned them a First Four round in Dayton.
FWIW
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [27371]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 31823
Joined: 8/19/03
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
1
Feb 26, 2023, 11:55 AM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
I’m with the OP on this. For years the ACC has been dominated by a few select teams .. mostly the N.C. Schools. Clemson and several other programs just haven’t had enough success to compete in the recruiting wars with NC and Duke et al. You need to remember what happened to Maryland when they left for “greener pastures”. Lefty competed well with the big four but he never became their equal. I can’t remember the last time they won anything! You know as well as I that the Big Four has out recruited the other schools in the ACC. One way or another.
UVA and Syracuse and Louisville have been or currently are big name basketball schools. GT and Clemson and VPI are competitive but not national powers ... yet. Not certain about Pitt and BC but they have a competative sports program.
Quite honestly the SEC isn’t that far ahead of the ACC in many areas. Playing U Miss or Arkansas or Vandy or USC doesn’t strike fear in my heart.
Improve the tv markets to allow the ACC to compete and all will be right in the sports world. Pretty close anyway!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [645]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 740
Joined: 12/20/02
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
Feb 26, 2023, 6:14 PM
|
|
In the words of John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious!"
There has not been a single Brownell team since he's been at Clemson that could hold a candle to Lefty's teams at Maryland. Len Bias and John Lucas were incredible players, and Lefty went toe to toe with Dean, Sloan, Valvano, etc. who had even more talent. Recruited head to head with John Thompson at Georgetown for the same players in the same area.
Compare those players and teams to current ACC while Brownell has been here and it's night and day different. If Brownell faced those ACC teams, his record would be right there with Shyatt's. Revisionist history at its worst.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10904]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 12988
Joined: 8/4/14
|
Just for your info, MD won the national championship in 2001
1
Feb 26, 2023, 6:38 PM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
I think it was, while they were still in the ACC.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3615]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 3791
Joined: 1/21/16
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
2
Feb 26, 2023, 1:53 PM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
It sounds like you are saying, “Just because I can admit that I was wrong about Duke and UNC doesn’t mean I was wrong about Clemson.”
Yer just pissy because Mountaineer is calling you out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [76895]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 28580
Joined: 12/1/18
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1404]
TigerPulse: 82%
Posts: 1919
Joined: 4/19/05
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 7:14 PM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
Many years of what?
Clemson plays better basketball overall under Brownell than the preceding last two Clemson coaches. He has gotten Clemson to March Madness in similar % chance as Clemson usually sees. Meaning once every 4-5 years. He took Clemson to Sweet Sixteen, and first in over 25 years. He won in Chapel Hill for first time ever. He got Clemson to win 13 ACC conference games for first time ever. He routinely surpasses preseason ACC projections for Clemson.
His teams shoot better FT % than Clemson was ever known fd. They shoot better from 3pt and from around the basket.
What strong history of basketball success do you think Clemson owns?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2847]
TigerPulse: 65%
Posts: 2571
Joined: 6/9/00
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [44028]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 32946
Joined: 2/22/03
|
Did you not read his post?
Feb 26, 2023, 9:27 PM
[ in reply to Re: The loony basketball detractors. ] |
|
We are talking about THIS season.
Not his entire tenure. THIS season.
And the point is that many of you were negative about this season, and the team has greatly exceeded expectations - yet you still gripe about it. Unbelievable.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [5962]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 3939
Joined: 1/10/04
|
So you’re cool with the loss to Uof25Ls?***
2
Feb 26, 2023, 11:30 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2669]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 8366
Joined: 8/12/14
|
Re: So you’re cool with the loss to Uof25Ls?***
2
3
Feb 26, 2023, 11:38 AM
|
|
Hmmmm loaded question here...
Can't say I'm "cool" with a loss to Louisville. I would have really like to have won that game. It was a very frustrating loss.
That said, I understand that this is college basketball. I understand that wins are tough to come by on the road in the ACC. They played a very close game to Miami and UVA right before our game. Did you watch the game? If you did, you would see that they made some very high level shots. We also missed many open shots and only made 4 threes. Sometimes those sort of games happen.
Are you not cool with our win yesterday?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Walk-On [126]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 117
Joined: 5/16/05
|
Re: So you’re cool with the loss to Uof25Ls?***
1
2
Feb 26, 2023, 12:42 PM
[ in reply to So you’re cool with the loss to Uof25Ls?*** ] |
|
He never said he was ok with any of the losses and your question shows an obvious lack of basketball knowledge. Almost every team has a recent loss or two they're not very happy about. The Tigers "bad" losses AT Louisville and the loss AT BC weren't very good in the todays world of bball metrics but are really the only bad losses since Jan 1st. BC just beat UVA like a drum AT HOME, lowly VISITING FSU beat Miami yesterday, UNC easily beat UVA AT HOME...in case you haven't noticed it's difficult to win most ANY conference game away from home (ask the Dookies about their latest vist to Littlejohn . Because of more parity in the league, winning on the road is more difficult than ever. Bottom line is a team should be more fairly judged by looking at the last 2/3 of the season with wins and losses early on not holding as much value. Coaching aside, the Tigers are holding their own sitting at tied for 2nd place in the ACC with 2 games remaining...not too shabby. I'm not a big Brownell fan at all but, regarding THIS season, the coaching staff seems to have this team well prepared every game (including the newbies).
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [16935]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4597
Joined: 1/31/16
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
6
6
Feb 26, 2023, 11:33 AM
|
|
Talk about loony!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [40100]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 18284
Joined: 10/28/15
|
I sure hope we make it to the NCAA Tournament.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 11:51 AM
|
|
To me that’s what’s important
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13479]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8918
Joined: 8/30/18
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
8
8
Feb 26, 2023, 12:06 PM
|
|
I think if we are all open-minded we would have to agree that both sides of this argument have some good points to make. I could strongly argue it is time for a change but I could also argue it might not be the right time, right now.
At the end of the day, Neff has to establish his goals and vision for the program and decide the steps necessary to take us to the next level and then he has to convince the Trustees to allocate whatever resources he thinks are necessary to get us there. I don't really know for sure what his specific priorities are for basketball and how important it is to him for us to have a program that legitimately competes to make the tournament every year.
I do understand that nothing I say is going to make a difference, one way or the other, so I am just going to sit back and hope to enjoy a strong finish, a good ACCT, and a ticket to the Big Dance.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2669]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 8366
Joined: 8/12/14
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 12:32 PM
|
|
Rational take
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [139929]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33855
Joined: 12/5/10
|
Could you please…
9
9
Feb 26, 2023, 12:19 PM
|
|
just find enjoyment in our basketball team?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13479]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8918
Joined: 8/30/18
|
Re: Could you please…
3
Feb 26, 2023, 12:21 PM
|
|
Can I just be miserable and enjoy it 
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4086]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2474
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 1:00 PM
|
|
I keep thinking no one can be that stupid and you have to be trolling but I'm really not sure.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4038]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4539
Joined: 3/6/01
|
A loon calling out the loony?
2
Feb 26, 2023, 1:28 PM
|
|
I hope we dance. But if not, should we take pride in being the “left outs” with the most wins? Making the dance is always a concrete goal for every team.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3135]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2975
Joined: 11/11/02
|
That phrase gets tossed around by several "people"
Feb 26, 2023, 5:10 PM
|
|
I think it's one person with multiple scoks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2847]
TigerPulse: 65%
Posts: 2571
Joined: 6/9/00
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2407]
TigerPulse: 72%
Posts: 4099
Joined: 4/12/10
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
Feb 26, 2023, 1:30 PM
|
|
I forget, what is your basketball experience . . in regards to playing and coaching? I'm sorry I forgot and it helps to understand your position here.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6981]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6353
Joined: 9/21/04
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
Feb 26, 2023, 1:35 PM
|
|
Glad to see the Tigers are having a good season. The frustration over the program was 12 years of Brownell and all we have is two NCAA tournament wins to show for it. This was certainly not the expectation when he was hired. Why would we expect anything different this season? All I can say, is you better hope they make the NCAA tournament or you are gonna look pretty foolish
|
|
|
|
|
|
Walk-On [126]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 117
Joined: 5/16/05
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
2
Feb 26, 2023, 2:43 PM
|
|
Glad you're glad as it should be but his post was about THIS season's team. As a long time fan of all Clemson sports, THIS bball season it has been a blast to see THIS team easily exceed expectations. THIS year's coaching staff has done a super job of having these guys well prepared throughout the season. Winning the most ACC games ever and currently sitting at tied for 2nd place in the conference isn't too shabby. I haven't been much of a Brownell supporter, especially the last few years, but THIS year I must give credit where due to the players AS WELL AS the coaching staff. It just seems many fans aren't able to fully support THIS team and really enjoy THIS season because it would be showing support for Brownell...that's kinda crazy! Should be fun to see how THIS team finishes out so YES, BE GLAD AND ENJOY THE REST OF THE SEASON!
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [58411]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 46321
Joined: 4/23/00
|
Being frustrated with the state of the program does not make
Feb 26, 2023, 3:41 PM
|
|
one a detractor.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2669]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 8366
Joined: 8/12/14
|
Re: Being frustrated with the state of the program does not make
1
2
Feb 26, 2023, 4:26 PM
|
|
Agreed. I don't consider you one of the looney detractors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [31240]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9122
Joined: 8/31/15
|
Re: Being frustrated with the state of the program does not make
2
Feb 26, 2023, 4:33 PM
|
|
Let’s just let the season play out. Hopefully this record breaking season will get us an invite. As of today it has not. Guessing currently sitting in 2nd in the ACC is not what it once was.
Wishing we were sitting here talking about what region we might be playing in. Still could happen not a done deal as of yet.
Message was edited by: rhpltmeg®
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [44028]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 32946
Joined: 2/22/03
|
There is no reason to be frustrated with the state of the program right now.
Feb 26, 2023, 9:34 PM
[ in reply to Being frustrated with the state of the program does not make ] |
|
People whining about “the last 13 years” or the fact that Brad didn’t make the NCAA Tournament in year two or three are desperate for something to whine about.
We are having a great year and our future looks bright. Why can’t fans enjoy it and be excited, or at least hopeful that this is the start of something great?
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [58411]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 46321
Joined: 4/23/00
|
As of today, we are hoping things fall into place so we have
1
Feb 26, 2023, 10:00 PM
|
|
a shot at the NCAA tournament. That's good, to have that as a possibility, and it's certainly not bad, but it's not yet "great". If we don't make the tourney, it's a disappointment, any way you slice it, and that is a very real possibility. Yes, we've won a record number of conference games this year, and yes, that's something to be proud of. But, as I've pointed out before, it's way to early to break out the bubbly. That won't mean a #### thing if we don't make the tourney and wind up out of the top 25 yet again. Not a #### freaking thing.
I hope we make it, and I hope we go deep into the NCAA tourney. The players have played their ##### off and they deserve it. And contrary to what some believe, I think Brownell is a great guy and a good coach, and if he can get it done, I'm happy for all concerned. If not, we all know what needs to be done. Unfortunately, the frustration that has been allowed to fester over the past decade or so is not only perfectly reasonable and understandable, it's predictable. This is the expected result when a program remains mired in mediocrity for so long. That's not my fault, or the fault of any Clemson fans, and we owe no apologies for it, or voicing frustration over it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [16902]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10768
Joined: 1/25/07
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 6:30 PM
|
|
How many years do you think his extension should be? Amongst my many frustrations is an athletic department that seemed to feel that NIT appearances were worth reupping Brad to 7 year deals. He’ll have 3 years left in a couple months. It’s not just what’s happening in this season. It seems like a perfectly timed storm for Brad to get yet another big extension then revert to the middle of league. Because the ACC has to improve - doesn’t it? Yes, this season has defied expectations. I never could have expected that our out of conference would be the worst played by a P5 team or the the ACC would probably be the worst it’s been in history. 3 sub-200 RPI losses are actually worse than usual for Brad and are what usually have us out of the running at this point. But he’s always had contract year magic - never count him out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [44028]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 32946
Joined: 2/22/03
|
Now they say that we should be first in the ACC
Feb 26, 2023, 6:40 PM
|
|
because the ACC is the worst conference ever and evidently we have more talent than anyone else. If Brownell weren’t such a bad coach we would play amazing every nigh, but since he isn’t we are inconsistent and not playing to our potential.
These people make me LOL every time I read their posts. Their comments are an incredible combination of delusional, illogical, and entitled.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1620]
TigerPulse: 93%
Posts: 1616
Joined: 11/23/10
|
Re: The loony basketball detractors.
Feb 26, 2023, 6:41 PM
|
|
Have you and JK ever been seen together in same room or is it safe to say y’all are the same person ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10904]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 12988
Joined: 8/4/14
|
It is true that pre-season expectations weren't very high...
1
Feb 26, 2023, 6:54 PM
|
|
largely because we thought Hall wouldn't be back until mid-season. But after we got off to the hot 10-0 start in the conference, I think a lot of folk's expectations got too high! I said then, that if we finished out 5-5, we shouldn't be too disappointed, seeing some of the games we had remaining in the back half.
We still have a chance to do that, and I won't be too disappointed if we even finish 14-6, and certainly I will be happy with 15-5! Even at 14-6, we can't finish below 4th, and can possibly tie for first with 15-5!
As for the ACC being supposedly so pitiful this year, and projected to get only 5 teams in the dance, we did go 8-6 in the ACC-Big10 challenge, and yet, they are projected to maybe get nine teams in the dance! Go figure!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17576]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14142
Joined: 10/24/10
|
Excited for you, JK & the players ...
Feb 26, 2023, 7:35 PM
|
|
Hope the team wins out and makes the tournament. But I opted out of Clemson Basketball a decade ago due to consistent panicky play in big moments and key games. Saved myself a decade os disappointment and mmediocrity. Enjoy the season - the die-hard Tiger Hoops fans have earned it!
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [27371]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 31823
Joined: 8/19/03
|
Re: Excited for you, JK & the players ...
1
1
Feb 26, 2023, 7:39 PM
|
|
I sure am glad that the team hadn’t opted out!
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1019]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1341
Joined: 9/17/01
|
Re: Excited for you, JK & the players ...
2
Feb 26, 2023, 9:41 PM
|
|
I have to agree with JK. Enjoy the moment. We just beat NC State in Raleigh by 25 pts ! We don’t have the 🏀 history or program any team in the ACC has short of of BC and VA Tech ( and Tech has won the ACC Tournament). I am season ticket holder and this team plays it’s a** off. To me, our talent level is improving. Hopefull for a strong finish!
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1487]
TigerPulse: 76%
Posts: 1995
Joined: 1/2/23
|
12 year average rank = 76th.
1
Feb 26, 2023, 10:00 PM
|
|
That's horrible, especially considering Brad is stealing the 38th biggest salary in America.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1487]
TigerPulse: 76%
Posts: 1995
Joined: 1/2/23
|
12 year average rank = 76th.
Feb 26, 2023, 10:00 PM
|
|
That's horrible, especially considering Brad is stealing the 38th biggest salary in America.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1502]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 424
Joined: 9/8/18
|
Re: 12 year average rank = 76th.
Feb 26, 2023, 10:13 PM
|
|
So if he had been able to field an average team ranking of #38, you wouldn’t complain? Would you lay off him then?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 43
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
