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Vanity Fair is horrible these days.
Jul 13, 2021, 8:03 AM
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I really miss the days when they stuck to covering what brand of feminine hygiene spray Meryl Streep preferred and didn't pretend to be reporters.
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The only use I have for them is working up a boner
Jul 13, 2021, 8:07 AM
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while I ogle their cover girls in the checkout line at Food Lion.
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It's a problem, but I'm not sure there's a good
Jul 13, 2021, 8:09 AM
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way for the government to fix it.
You do the best you can to get the right information out to the people, but at a certain point, it's up to the people to stop spreading lies.
I don't think you need to "work with SMS" to know what the bad information is. I think it reveals itself rather easily.
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Lot o points [155901]
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What's amazing to me, is that the very people (liberal Dems)
Jul 13, 2021, 8:14 AM
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who were (rightfully) forcefully against the Patriot Act will be the same ones explaining why it makes sense for the government to be screening our text messages for "misinformation".
In 2021, the ends justify the means, every time. Principles are dead in politics.
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Yes, I keep waiting on our anti-fascists to start making
Jul 13, 2021, 10:01 AM
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some noise about this administration, but it's all crickets thus far. Strange, I'd think something like this would spark some concern.
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Re: Yes, I keep waiting on our anti-fascists to start making
Jul 13, 2021, 10:40 AM
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I am just periodically checking to see which liberals take on Obed's dare. But yeah, dumb idea cause nobody likes unsolicited text messages, and it is more or less common knowledge that they are likely scams.
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Just more redefined terms.
Jul 13, 2021, 4:23 PM
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“Fascism” and “authoritarian” don’t mean tyrannical government control when you’re talking to these people. After all they’re leftists so they’re in favor of tyrannical government control.
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Unsolicited bulk sms, calls, etc are basically spam
Jul 13, 2021, 12:08 PM
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"The warranty on your COVID Vaccine is about to expire, and so will you!"
Filtering out this kind of junk is different that the Patriot Act which eaves drops on private conversations.
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Lot o points [155901]
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It says nothing about bulk spam that I read.
Jul 13, 2021, 12:40 PM
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It’s referring to person to person SMS communications. This has nothing to do with “spam”.
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To be fair, it's not stated that it's that, either.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:23 PM
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They don't get that specific. It could be about "spam"-like stuff, or large-scale messaging, or it could be about individual person-to-person. We don't know. (And that, of course, is not a good thing.)
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But wouldn't they have to monitor all SMS messages to
Jul 13, 2021, 1:59 PM
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determine which ones to flag as "spam", "misinformation", or "vaccine-cautious"?
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I don't know.***
Jul 13, 2021, 2:00 PM
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This "door-to-door" thing is a good example.
Jul 13, 2021, 8:16 AM
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First time I heard that, it seemed like such an obviously good thing to do, to me. But then, I saw where people were conveying it as some kind of government invasion of privacy and freedom, which is pretty ridiculous. And you didn't need to monitor text messages to know it: governors (like in South Carolina) actually came out with orders against this imaginary effort. (deja vu with the imaginary "vaccine passports")
So calling out these governors and the like for the misinformation is fine...that must be done. But you better be careful about "monitoring" what people are saying.
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Are you saying that vaccine passports were an imaginary
Jul 13, 2021, 8:19 AM
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effort?
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In terms of any US government requiring one
Jul 13, 2021, 8:21 AM
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Yes, absolutely. The federal government shows no signs of wanting to require one, nor any state government, that I know of. It was pure bogeyman.
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dude...
Jul 13, 2021, 11:54 AM
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you think it's a good thing for the government to go door to door to ask about people's vaccine status? are you being serious right now?
#### that #### man. this isn't ####### China.
and while we're at it...
why can't they go door to door to give people food?
why can't they go door to door to give them voter IDs and register to vote?
why can't they go door to door to assess children's living conditions?
why can't they go door to door to turn people's heat or AC on?
why can't they go door to door just to check on you? see how you're doing today?
...on a whim. whenever they feel like it?
who's going to pay for all this ####? what's the government going to do w/ their records? what's their limitations to come by whenever the #### they want? isn't the 4th amendment directly in place for #### like this?
I've met a lot of clemson folks over my young life, and I think the mention of government ####### agents stopping by on a whim, while shooting the #### at a tailgate, would go over like a led ####### pipe.
gahlee fuckign bum man - that takes the #### cake for me today.
remind me in a year on the vaccine passport boogeyman that's imaginary.
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Psssst. He’s a gamecock.***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:59 AM
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This is what I'm talking about...
Jul 13, 2021, 12:52 PM
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Someone told you this was about "government to go door to door to ask about people's vaccine status". As far as I know, this has not been proposed. You are upset about something that no one has said they want to do.
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Sir, did you actually read those links?
Jul 13, 2021, 1:07 PM
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They fully support my point and fully reject yours.
In none of those examples are government officials going door-to-door.
These are local community members loving their neighbor enough to help them with any vaccine-related concerns.
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oh, right. volunteers
Jul 13, 2021, 1:22 PM
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loving their neighbor. my bad, i admit i was wrong. please disregard.
the president of the US did not say we need to go door to door, and there are not currently instances of this happening right now. the government will not leverage their intelligence apparatus to interject in american citizens' personal communications b/c 1) they can't even do that and 2) why would they? I have nothign to hide amirite?
your level of trust in our superior government is admirable. I have faith in the centralized power in Washington to lead us out of this and toward a brighter future.
I yield, comrade. cheers.
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You moved the goalposts there.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:31 PM
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I have already stated, in this thread, my opposition to the government "working with SMS" to monitor communications. This debate we are having is not about that.
I stated that there is currently no plan that I know of for government officials to go door-to-door inquiring about vaccine status. I stand by that statement, and I think the links you provided are in support of that statement.
Furthermore, it is a fear-mongering lie to state, as some government leaders have, that there is any effort to compel or coerce vaccinations, even among these (non-governemnt) volunteers.
I am against government officials compelling vaccination in any way. I am NOT against individuals having the freedom to take it upon themselves to help their community members with vaccinations.
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got it
Jul 13, 2021, 2:33 PM
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I was under the impression you supported .gov doing this, if that's not the case then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Wrt to your last line, sure, as long as those ######## don't come onto private property to bother Americans just trying to live their day to day lives. Set up a table in front of Publix or something. Or better yet, get a real ####### job that actually benefits the (true) GDP of this country.
I think it's all related man, but whatever. .gov monitoring Email, T-Net, SMS, then door-to-door, and don't forget state sponsored corporate media entities doing their ########...all the same ####.
I don't believe it's just fear mongering when POTUS said that's what he wants to do, and the WH sec doubled down on it. I'd place a substantial wager that .gov mandates vaccines by the midterm election day.
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The government cannot mandate any vaccine...
Jul 13, 2021, 2:39 PM
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Never have, and it ain't gonna start now. There is no indication, from even the most liberal of our government leaders, that it's even being considered.
You can worry about that if you choose to spend mental capital that way, but I see no reason to do so.
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Prodigal is the perfect example of what Dark Helmet was talking about.
Jul 13, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Evil always triumphs, because good is dumb.
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I agree, for the social media aspect.
Jul 13, 2021, 10:30 AM
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The SMS thing is a little different.
There is no such thing as a totally "free" country, and never has been. All countries are on a spectrum of freedom. It's not binary. I would say the United States is probably "above average" globally in terms of freedom, though it is subjective.
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It's kinda a catch 22 really. We need freedom and we need
Jul 13, 2021, 8:13 AM
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stupid people. Really, we run on both. Liberty for stupid people to be stupid, then liberty for smart people to take advantage of the stupid people. You have the liberty to take out a title loan at 35% interest, and the title loan people have the liberty of taking you to the cleaners. Same principle with vaccines IMO. Ostensibly it overall helps the people with common sense. If you want to believe vaccine information from trumpwon.info, sobeit. If you want to believe in climate change from MSNBC, sobeit. Lot of money to be made on both.
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Re: It's kinda a catch 22 really. We need freedom and we need
Jul 13, 2021, 10:22 AM
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stupid people. Really, we run on both. Liberty for stupid people to be stupid, then liberty for smart people to take advantage of the stupid people. You have the liberty to take out a title loan at 35% interest, and the title loan people have the liberty of taking you to the cleaners. Same principle with vaccines IMO. Ostensibly it overall helps the people with common sense.
This is just a great statement. +1
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So if MiuraTiger and I are texting anti-vax memes back and
Jul 13, 2021, 8:15 AM
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forth, is there going to be some sort of message attached to it like this:
If so, that seems pretty invasive.
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It's like this.
Jul 13, 2021, 8:19 AM
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They already collect and compile every form of electronic communication you perform. They're just comfortable not hiding the fact in a "greater good" scenario like this one apparently.
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Yep, Big Bro has been watching.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:13 PM
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Facial recognition on every highway and every street corner, electronic communications being intercepted.
It's been happening.
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A kind reading is that the government would
Jul 13, 2021, 8:20 AM
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work with SMS to know what the bad information is, then use that to know what to combat in the form of public statements and messaging...not screening or censoring of private communication.
That is the kind reading, which is the reading I prefer. But there's definitely a slippery slope here.
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When you're led by lying politicians
Jul 13, 2021, 8:36 AM
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When something important comes along, no one believes the politicians, or the government they run.
Simple fact. And.....btw.....
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Crulez still wears a mask to
Jul 13, 2021, 8:23 AM
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the nail salon
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Nothing says "I'm right" like violent threats.***
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Re: Stopping Misinformation sent via SMS Text Messages
Jul 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
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This isn't just MLM #bossbabe stay at home moms, chiropractors on instagram, or charlestontom's corners of alternative youtube sites spreading antivaxx propaganda anymore, this stuff has gone mainstream. CPAC speakers were openly spreading vaccine misinformation, crowds there cheered the failed effort to vaccinate 75% of the country.
Something has to be done about it. Now I'm not saying tagging people's texts is the right way. I will say this though, one lesson from 2021 is that deplatforming people who spread BS works. It just flat out works. Everyone has a right to say whatever they want, you aren't going to jail for being a conspiracist, but there's no right for what you say to be amplified on platforms that you don't own.
Just my thoughts, then again I'm part of the #establishment #institutions #indocrinated.
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Stuff like that always works
Jul 13, 2021, 10:52 AM
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Just so long as you are on the side that gets to define what is and isn’t BS.
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Re: Stuff like that always works
Jul 13, 2021, 10:55 AM
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There has to be an agreed upon objective reality. Vaccine efficacy and safety is objective reality. I'm not interested in a slippery slope discussion.
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Sorry you don’t want the slippery slope argument,
Jul 13, 2021, 10:56 AM
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But it’s absolutely valid.
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Re: Sorry you don’t want the slippery slope argument,
Jul 13, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Except it's not, it's not an argument it's a logical fallacy that's been well described since the 1910's.
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I'm not against calling out logical fallacies, but they must
Jul 13, 2021, 11:04 AM
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be talked about in the proper context. It's a logical fallacy in that the "slippery slope" does not prove that the initiating action is inherently wrong. But just because it's not inherently wrong doesn't mean it should be done. That's how the "slippery slope" can be viewed as a valid concern, in context.
In reality, this is not a debate contest, to see who properly argues the point. This a real-life situation with real-life consequences that should be considered.
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Explain the logical fallacy behind a slippery slope argument
Jul 13, 2021, 11:05 AM
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With ample historical precedent when it comes to selectively silencing dissenting opinions (accurate or inaccurate).
“Let’s break the rules this one time—-it’s for a good reason” is a justification that has been used by 8 year olds since the beginning of time.
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Re: Explain the logical fallacy behind a slippery slope argument
Jul 13, 2021, 11:08 AM
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Are we still talking about antivaccine propaganda and BS that is demonstrably harmful, or are we going to a place where we're about to have a "1984" reference?
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You saw the slippery slope part right?
Jul 13, 2021, 11:47 AM
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Are you arguing that silencing dissenting positions, “just this once, in the name of public health and safety” is a single use tactic that will surely never be used or abused again? You’re not thinking it’s an argument that can credibly be made in a vacuum are you?
And no, I’m not a 1984 guy…feel free to use Huxley or non-fictitious entities like the Goskomizdat or the Great Firewall as directions where reckless, well-intentioned dumbassery like this leads.
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Re: You saw the slippery slope part right?
Jul 13, 2021, 12:02 PM
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No, dissenting opinions should not be silenced. I doubt you're going to find many people who think that way, but I'm not one. So we can end the slippery slope argument. Dissent and questioning is a cornerstone of the scientific method and medicine.
But, I draw a distinction between dissenting opinions and blatantly and deliberately false misinformation. A dissenting opinion is wondering whether children need to be vaccinated, or what the right age is. The dosing regimen. If and when antibody levels fall and should be supplemented. These are questions that need to be resolved. The vaccine being gene therapy is not a dissenting opinion, it's BS. And yeah, sure, I'm 100% in favor of silencing harmful BS and lies.
Do you draw a distinction between truth and lies? Should we favor one over the other? What if the lies harm people? I know you don't think that way, no reasonable person does. Let's keep dissenting opinions and misinformation separate.
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I haven’t generally seen “gene therapy” given as a reason
Jul 13, 2021, 12:16 PM
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For concern. I have seen worries over long term effects of the vaccine given the limited clinical trials performed with them, and new issues like myocarditis with Pfizer and Gullain Barre with JnJ (isolated as the instances may be) don’t help. I think concerns like that (and I say that as someone who had Covid and has been vaccinated) are legitimate.
The issue is that, based on what Facebook/Twitter has shown me to date, I’m not at all confident in their ability to differentiate between the two. More than likely, anything remotely negative towards the vaccine will be hit with the “disinformation” algorithm.
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Re: I haven’t generally seen “gene therapy” given as a reason
Jul 13, 2021, 12:28 PM
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Dude you’ve seen it on this very forum, this tiny corner of the internet.
Myocarditis, GBS, those and other side effects are real, and they are published and discussed. And no, real conversations based in reality are not silenced. It’s just not the case. Want me to find some medical journals, MSM links, whatever and post them here? Now, taking an article about myocarditis and saying “see here? Errbody taking the Fauxi shot gonna die”? Can you see the distinction? I’m asking this rhetorically because I know that you do.
Let’s have another slippery slope discussion- where do we draw the line with medical misinformation? If people want to say that you can die from chemotherapy, and shooting yourself in the temple with a .45 is a better treatment for pancreatic cancer, is that a dissenting opinion, or is that harmful BS?
Taking a kernel of truth and distorting reality with it in a way that can harm others isn’t dissent, and it’s not something we should value or protect.
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You know we aren’t talking about medical journals.
Jul 13, 2021, 12:33 PM
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I’m talking about Thelma Rae making a FB post saying “GBS? No thanks….our family will stay vaccine free”. Might be stupid, and statistically illogical, but I prefer a world where she’s allowed to say it and people reading it allowed to decide if she’s stupid for themselves.
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And more to the original point,
Jul 13, 2021, 12:36 PM
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If Thelma Rae makes such a statement across a private text message to a friend, the govt dammm sure doesn’t need to know she said it, much less her and her friend getting a helpful “extremism correction” text from the dept of health.
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Re: And more to the original point,
Jul 13, 2021, 12:54 PM
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I think this is a good place to leave it
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Thank God,
Jul 13, 2021, 1:14 PM
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For a minute there I thought you weren’t going to agree with me!!
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This is kind of the current tech extension of yelling
Jul 13, 2021, 4:59 PM
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fire in a theatre. It's a legit debate to have. What if the government doesn't care what Thelma Rae does in her text to Bobby Sue, but they absolutely care what the Heritage Institute (no idea where they actually stand on vaccines) sends out to a marketing list of 10 or 20 thousand people. Maybe that's where Thelma heard about this "side effect" to begin with. Thelma isn't necessarily dangerous to the public health on her own, but she's being exploited by people who know exactly how to exploit her.
There is a line in there to be found, but I don't really know where to draw it.
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We are living in a world where a scary % of the population
Jul 13, 2021, 11:02 AM
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will look you dead in the eye and try to tell you that women can have a peanus. Agreed upon objective reality does not exist in clown world. Which is probably a yuuge reason why so many people remain skeptical.
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Re: We are living in a world where a scary % of the population
Jul 13, 2021, 11:04 AM
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You're not wrong, I'm 100% with you the tranny #### is like some sort of twitter joke that escaped. We need to have a shared objective reality.
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Re: Stuff like that always works
Jul 13, 2021, 11:15 AM
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My job is literally to care about other people's health. Seeing a miracle like these mRNA vaccines, not just how quickly they were developed but how danged well they work... well, seeing misinformation and propaganda for unclear reasons that might prevent even one person from getting it is quite frankly upsetting.
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Like a few people I know...perfectly willing to put botox
Jul 13, 2021, 1:15 PM
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in their faces, silicone in their lady bits...
But don't want their "DNA messed with" for a life saving vaccine.
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If people thought it was life saving
Jul 13, 2021, 4:40 PM
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and COVID really was this deadly disease everyone would be lining up for their shot, long term concerns be ######. But it’s not. So they’re not.
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I do not like the argument "it doesn't affect you".
Jul 13, 2021, 11:18 AM
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That is so callous to me. Other people getting sick and possibly dying does affect me, and I don't want it to happen.
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Re: I do not like the argument "it doesn't affect you".
Jul 13, 2021, 12:29 PM
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you hit the nail on the head here
Jul 13, 2021, 11:38 AM
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there is no objective reality in nearly all of the posts, topics, or click-bait items discussed here and elsewhere. the narratives are split, politicized, and broadcasted throughout state sponsored corporate media entities (including socials) to keep people divided.
we can't agree on truth anymore, and that's by design.
also, IMO, there's no point arguing over people's stances over this ####### vaccine. and there #### sure is no place for .gov to knock on someone's door or to intervened in personal communication, either.
meanwhile, CPI print's creeping up, Fed's still dumping $120B a month in the bond markets, and the Fed's reverse repo facility clocked a cool trillion. to top it off, let's get the .gov jump boys knocking on our ####### doors and scream at people questioning it.......mk
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The government has to get out of the way. A no-brainer.
Jul 13, 2021, 12:43 PM
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How many times in the past year have we heard that the official message from the smartest people in the universe was incorrect? How many stories have been "fact-checked" only to find out that they were actually true? Are you making the argument that there is absolutely no concern with multiple rushed, political-charged vaccines? Are you making the argument that a vaccine has never been distributed and then found to have harmful effects?
The government needs to stay out of this because:
1) They are wrong often enough that I would rather allow for that small amount of misinformation and open discourse to make my decision for myself.
2) Censoring the fringe only serves to empower them with "What don't they want you to know!?!" narratives.
Stay. Out. Of. The. Way.
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Re: Stopping Misinformation sent via SMS Text Messages
Jul 13, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Had the vax, along with a reaction to the second shot. Don't particularly want them knocking on my door to inquire. This isn't old East Germany and let's keep it that way. How about we close our boarders instead! Frankly, at this point, I really don't want my child to get this vaccine either.
We aren't anti-vaxxers. There is a lot of misinformation being pushed on both sides, and I sure as hell don't trust this administration for Anything. These vaccines are less than a year old, right, and we already know J&J had problems with theirs . The fact is we have limited data to know about the safety of any of these. I don't blame anyone for being cautious.
After my second dose I had blurred vision and concussion like symptoms for over an hour. I hope that was it. I don't need that again!
If you have it you should feel safer from those that don't. Let it go! Let people make a freaking choice.
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Re: Stopping Misinformation sent via SMS Text Messages
Jul 13, 2021, 12:12 PM
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I'm beginning to think that these vaccines were many people's first or only exposure to healthcare, any vaccine, or heck any sort of medicine. If we have the same sort of national explosive polarization and hand-wringing about every medicine side effect or risk of surgery... lord save us, people's heads will explode.
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Re: Stopping Misinformation sent via SMS Text Messages
Jul 13, 2021, 12:36 PM
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Other vaccines have gone through years of test and trials unlike covid vaccines. These have been rammed down our throats and we still don't know how safe they are in the long run. They could be the safest vaccines ever developed but at this time we don't know it, we don't have the data to confirm it.
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Isn't that kind of the point though man?
Jul 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
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Like, when I have a medical procedure, I get to have pretty extensive conversations with medical professionals regarding risks, adverse effects, potential alternates, etc.
With this ####, we got .gov getting a team of jump boys to come and see if you took the shot or not. Aligning themselves with state sponsorded corporate media entities to push narratives and then partnering with ISPs and messaging providers to monitor personal communication.
Completely different circumstances man. I don't see Xiden's brown shirts coming by to see if CT15 checked my colon between ages 50 - 52.
You're comparing an apple from a tree to the piece of #### electronic device from the company in SF.
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Re: Isn't that kind of the point though man?
Jul 13, 2021, 1:00 PM
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A little exaggerated, but your point is well taken. That said, If there were a global pandemic of appendicitis that had killed scores of people, and 40% of the population were passing around memes saying the surgery being done is actually to cut your Johnson off or everyone who gets an appendectomy will die of sepsis... yeah, I’d want to shut that down too.
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Of course you would, because as a part of the medical world,
Jul 13, 2021, 2:07 PM
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you stand to gain the most from cutting off millions and millions of Johnsons.
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