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Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?
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Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 11:44 AM

The same reason you can call your wife "baby" or "honey" or "sugar" in public or private and I can't or shouldn't in public or private. And why if you call a woman "baby" "hon" or "sugar" in the office cause it's ok in another relational context-will get you fired for sexual harassment in a text, tweet or off comment. The same reason a parent or relatives in a family can call someone by a nickname like "stinky" and it be affectionate but outside the familial and cultural context it's off. Black Americans share a tribal and familial context that does NOT exclude them from the American "salad" of culture but at the same time can join them in what can be described as culturally "sacred" (without being demeaning or dehumanizing or superior to other ethnicities) spaces. Calling each other the N-word is not claiming moral or ethnic superiority over anyone else. I know a number of African Americans who refuse to use the word even amongst themselves... so it is still up for debate between us.

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What about when they call us cracker?***


Jun 6, 2020, 11:49 AM



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Re: What about when they call us cracker?***


Jun 6, 2020, 12:21 PM

Cracker and Honky is a slur against white people that is used way more in pubic than you will ever hear the N-Word used by whites in public. I haven't used the N-Word in public nor private as a slur against black people in over 50 years when one of the best friend that I ever had is Black. I was 15 when we became friends, and he's still one of less than 4 or 5 friends that I have had for that long, and we are still best of friends today. If real love can be shared between friends, I say that we do love each other like real brothers would love each other. I can honestly say that I don't have a white friend that I love more than I love Sammy Lee bc he is my true friend and brother until death!!! Mine and Sammy Lee's friendship has never been tested or strained bc of race, and that I swear!!!

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I kinda cringe when I hear those words tbh...


Jun 6, 2020, 2:08 PM

Not because I’m offended...they just sound like a school yard insult. I’m thinking to myself, “you can do better.” I personally don’t feel a collective identity with whites so if I hear someone calling a white person that, it doesn’t bother me in the least.

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Think more about when you call each other that!!


Jun 6, 2020, 12:25 PM [ in reply to What about when they call us cracker?*** ]

This is about what is going on internally around the N-word not about the C-word. I don’t know what you’re getting at? Of course name calling to demean others or make yourself superior is wrong.

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Does being called cracker bother you?


Jun 6, 2020, 12:31 PM [ in reply to What about when they call us cracker?*** ]

I don't think anyone has ever called me a cracker to my face, and if they did it wouldn't bother me one bit. I don't really care what some random person calls me. Kind of like the looney left on Tigernet that like to call us names, it doesn't mean anything.

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Being offended is usually a choice.


Jun 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

To let being called a cracker offend you is a decision you make, and white people don't take offense easily against blacks. Black people, right or wrong, tend to be super sensitive and easily offended. What language a person uses often will tell you what is in their hearts, but it is your choice to let it trigger rage.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:05 PM [ in reply to What about when they call us cracker?*** ]

And while you're at it, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE.

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Re: What about when they call us cracker?***


Jun 6, 2020, 1:24 PM [ in reply to What about when they call us cracker?*** ]

Everything’s better when it sits on a Ritz.

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Jun 6, 2020, 4:29 PM [ in reply to What about when they call us cracker?*** ]

I’ve been called a cracker a bunch of times, and it makes laugh every time. At no point in my life has that word ever offended or bothered me.

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Jun 7, 2020, 12:02 AM

I could careless what people call me, I have never had a word bust my lip, bloody my nose or break my jaw! Talk all you want, but GOD have mercy on the soul that ever lays their hands on any of my children, grand kids, my wife or myself. I am always armed and will defend to the death my family, My self and my property. I treat everyone with respect until a person makes me do otherwise. I don't judge a person by the color of their skin but by the character they show me. I can be your best friend, a great neighbor, and a helpful hand when needed, but I can also be a person's worst nightmare if need be. We all come from the same shed blood of our LORD and savior JESUS CHRIST. He died for all people, not white, black, yellow or Red like my ancestors. We need more people acting the way CHRIST taught us than what we are seeing perpetrated on our TV and computer screens.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 11:53 AM

The same reason they can riot, loot, murder and burn stuff down and the media will cover for them and call it a "protest". However, when mainly non minority people peacefully assemble to question why their civil liberties have been taken away for months with no end in sight the same media treats them like borderline domestic terrorists.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 12:23 PM

Racist Covidiot.

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Whose “they”? Those Americans?? Those who?


Jun 6, 2020, 12:23 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

Be specific. Me, a black man? Who is doing and declaring this? Or do you mean it like “YOU people?”

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I'm sorry - I have read the post you are responding to


Jun 6, 2020, 12:56 PM

several times and I don't see "they', "those Americans", " who", or "you people" anywhere in the post. The guy is referring to people in Michigan mostly - the ones who protested "stay at home orders" and closed businesses while carrying their AR-15's. Maybe your reply is in the wrong place?

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Don’t see they?


Jun 6, 2020, 1:09 PM

“The same reason they can riot, loot, murder and burn stuff down and the media will cover for them and call it a "protest". “

Maybe he doesn’t mean blacks but otherwise use what you mean rather than they

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I knew someone would call me out for that


Jun 6, 2020, 1:20 PM

but its use in that sentence was very clear as to who "they" are. Shouldn't have warranted a question from anyone.

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Unfortunately you know exactly what he means


Jun 6, 2020, 1:45 PM [ in reply to Whose “they”? Those Americans?? Those who? ]

He’s just too afraid to say the words out loud

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Don't worry, you can go the cheesecake factory soon.


Jun 6, 2020, 3:18 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

You'll have all your civil liberties back then.

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isnt there an argument by black people who do use it


Jun 6, 2020, 12:03 PM

That it’s kinda meant to take the power away from the word and re-tool it. As hip-hop has done over the years. Even if it is a different version of the word.

I imagine that’s a somewhat controversial topic within the black community

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Jun 6, 2020, 12:14 PM

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in quite some time, which is saying a lot lately. Hopefully my sarcasm meter is broke.

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That hurt. Seriously. I was being sincere


Jun 6, 2020, 12:21 PM

Nm

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HBrown


Jun 6, 2020, 12:35 PM

I appreciate your input on Tigernet and found your explanation thought provoking.

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Don’t let one person deter you. I am a physician. Unfortunately, there aren’t many black men


Jun 6, 2020, 12:43 PM [ in reply to That hurt. Seriously. I was being sincere ]

In my profession. I have a partner at my clinic who has become a dear friend. I almost always bounce my ideas off him because I like to hear his point of view. He has been gracious to accept those times where I don’t get it and explains his thoughts. I view it like I said on another post like a brother who picks and hits you etc but then when someone else messes with you it’s on. My friend said something similar that it’s not exactly the same word but a derivative of the same word and that it’s meant to identify with each other as being something they’ve been through together. I view it like me calling a buddy a redneck. If someone from another walk of life called me that I would be pissed. Agree with Neal though, cracker may even make me laugh.


Message was edited by: lovingit®


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Re: Don’t let one person deter you. I am a physician. Unfortunately, there aren’t many black men


Jun 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

I'm just being honest by saying that the times I've heard Cracker used, I was offended bc the word is referring to the slave owner or the plantation boss cracking the whip to scare or beat slaves, and the the thought of that being the way that it was in those times, and it saddens to know that humans were treated that way or even owned. I've never lived a day during those times, and nobody in my family history has never owned another human being, and I am offended when Cracker is use or directed at me. Don't insinuate or hold me responsible for what went on this country 90 years before I was even born bc knowing my heart, I would not have approved of slavery during slavery times. And I've often said that if I would have lived during those time, I would have probably been killed for helping slaves to escape their bondage. So don't insinuate that I'm something that I absolutely hate that it happen in the country that I love today in my period of life. IMO, God blessed America when slavery was abolished!!!

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Re: That hurt. Seriously. I was being sincere


Jun 6, 2020, 1:34 PM [ in reply to That hurt. Seriously. I was being sincere ]

Wrong Bored Moran!!!

GWPTiger®

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You mad because you don't want to take it off of your list


Jun 6, 2020, 1:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

of regularly used words? Dang bro, and they say others are snowflakes....

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Re: You mad because you don't want to take it off of your list


Jun 6, 2020, 1:59 PM

If you mean me - I haven't used that term since I became an adult about 35 years ago. Hate the term no matter who says it.

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This video explains it...


Jun 6, 2020, 12:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEM3P94_Mm0&list=PLFACAEA65BA4391E4

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 12:35 PM

HBROWN® said:

The same reason you can call your wife "baby" or "honey" or "sugar" in public or private and I can't or shouldn't in public or private. And why if you call a woman "baby" "hon" or "sugar" in the office cause it's ok in another relational context-will get you fired for sexual harassment in a text, tweet or off comment. The same reason a parent or relatives in a family can call someone by a nickname like "stinky" and it be affectionate but outside the familial and cultural context it's off. Black Americans share a tribal and familial context that does NOT exclude them from the American "salad" of culture but at the same time can join them in what can be described as culturally "sacred" (without being demeaning or dehumanizing or superior to other ethnicities) spaces. Calling each other the N-word is not claiming moral or ethnic superiority over anyone else. I know a number of African Americans who refuse to use the word even amongst themselves... so it is still up for debate between us.


How screwed up this world has become!!! And it's only going to get worse!!!

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I can’t see the analogy here...


Jun 6, 2020, 12:36 PM

If it’s a bad word that stands for historical oppression and racism, it’s always a bad word.


There are a lot of words that I don’t use in public and I do not use them at home and I do not use them with my closest friends.

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It also sends a divisive message...***


Jun 6, 2020, 12:41 PM



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The N-word should be off-limits for anyone to say.


Jun 6, 2020, 12:42 PM

It’s hypocritical for black people to say it in casual conversations, in hip hop lyrics, etc, and that’s okay, but for a white person to say it results in labeling them a racist.

Either it’s a bad word that shouldn’t be used, or it’s not. I go with the former.

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Re: The N-word should be off-limits for anyone to say.


Jun 6, 2020, 12:52 PM

Exactly. If it's an evil word (I believe it is), I should not hear it from any mouth of any race. It isn't tolerated in the military - from any source, and we're the better for it.

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Why try to justify white people using it?


Jun 6, 2020, 1:48 PM [ in reply to The N-word should be off-limits for anyone to say. ]

There’s no need to ever use it. You can’t find a better descriptor?

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Who is trying to justify white people using it?!?


Jun 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

The point is that it’s a bad word, period. No one should be saying it.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 12:54 PM

Mr Brown, many thumbs up.

I give you credit for raising the topic, simply because these things need to be discussed, but white folks are not allowed to bring them up because WE GET SHOUTED DOWN BY THE SIMPERING HOLIER-THAN-THOU WHITE FOLKS WHO CRY "RACIST!" FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS WHENEVER ANYONE OF ANY RACE QUESTIONS THE OBVIOUS DOUBLE STANDARDS THAT PERVADE OUR OTHERWISE VERY ADMIRABLE CULTURE.

Our inability to have honest, respectful conversations harms us all, and perpetuates that pain to the next generation.

The sensitivities of well-meaning whites who insert themselves as intermediaries have done much to prevent clear communication and resolve racial tensions.

So let's stop with the shaming, shall we? (Not you, Mr Brown--you're discussing.) If BLM or protestors or NFL players want the support of the rest of society, they won't get it without having a conversation about why these 'double standards' exist in the first place. We may not agree about how we got here, but we need to agree on where we go FROM here.

Mr Brown or Dr Brown or Pastor Brown or whoever he/she is, thank you for temporarily returning our God-given, Constitution-recognizing, blood-earned freedom of speech back.

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Re: Because They Don't Think Deep Enough. ---


Jun 6, 2020, 1:07 PM

Its a bad word to try and describe a black person in a very negative way. I absolutely hate it to be in black people's casual and sometimes joyous jovial conversations in public where everyone can hear it. I don't like it being in the rap music.....and felt that way for over 10 years now. The thing with that these shady record labels just want to make money off of these talented kids like leeches they ignore true moral values. It needs to go and to be taken out of any dictionary made. If we are all to move foward....lets live like that word don't exist.

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I disagree with one thing


Jun 6, 2020, 1:33 PM

We shouldn’t remove it from history. I view it the same way as confederate monuments. We cannot delete or should not erase history. Our children and grandchildren need to know our history - good and bad.

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Re: I disagree with one thing


Jun 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

You make a very good point.

Good students of history know that the word didn't always have the pejorative nature that it later came to have. Whenever someone cites "history" as a reason to eliminate something offensive, they are demonstrating their ignorance of history in general. History is not one fixed moment in time. It is a comprehensive view of all of human behavior, and many words, laws, rules, policies, customs and relationships change within the bounds of "history".

Nevertheless we dumb down the discussion to accommodate those who are easily offended. Therefore, we eradicate part of the history that our descendants should be learning from.

So the archaic descriptive word must be eradicated because it turned into a vile pejorative which must be eradicated because we don't want future generations to know we were vile--except for blacks???

Why do blacks want to perpetuate this word?

Sixty years from now, when a student is reading a story about DJ Greenlee and he comes across DJ using the N word repeatedly, do you think the student is going to automatically assume that DJ was black?
Unless you can guarantee the knowledge of that context, you are perpetuating that word's pejorative use.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:20 PM

I get that the N-word can be a term of endearment between African-Americans, but when you say it's acceptable among African-Americans, but not for others, it calls into question whether the exclusive use is discriminatory. If you say you can do it and at the same time say that we're all brothers and must learn to treat each other fairly, then adminish non-African-Americans for doing the same, you put yourself in the discriminatory and racist group and the shoe is on the other foot imo.

Otherwise, it would seem to be a case of "Black Privilege".

Think about it.

I think it's a word that shouldn't be used, but what's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:26 PM

Only absolute moron would ask that question knowing US history. You should just kill yourself flor being so dumb.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:30 PM

He's "black-splainin'" to you why it's OK for him, but not for you..... and as I said, the attempt to do so in the public arena is an effort to claim "Black Privilege".

It all needs to stop.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:36 PM

Yeah we get it moron. I understand his idiotic question. . You don't. It's called context and timing and history. Youre too stupid to exist. Yeah it's pretty easy for anyone with a brain to understand the simple.concept. Youre dumber that dirt, as is anyone who has to think about why they can say it, but we can not.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:40 PM

So, I'm a moron? OK - LOL.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:43 PM

Yes...almost too dumb to exist. Yep.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

Yes...almost to dumb to exist. Yep.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

If we have to refer to the word as n-word then it is too offensive to use anywhere. If not simply spell the word out without fear of repercussion. Just say it spell it and have no fear.

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Jun 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

Yep...because white people used it in a derogatory term and we have a history. I feel like toddlers are being educated here.

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Jun 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

The "toddlers" don't have to get all emotional to discuss a word. Evidently you do.

Perha

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Jun 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

Put a coherent rational thought and get back to everyone. Thanks, bud.

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Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

Sorry, I oopsed.

Perhaps you know more than us about when this word became bad, or what made it bad.

Perhaps you believe white men have always been more evil than black. Or something else that compels you to label all of us as 'bad' because I'm not willing to pay $14 trillion in reparations to make up for what some of your ancestors did. (Mine didn't.)

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Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

Youre22 just dumb and uneducated. Its okay. That response was even dumber. That was your coherent thought? Wow.

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Jun 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

"Youre22"?

That's coherent?

And you're the adult? No wonder you can't have a logical conversation.

Your new name is "Kneejerk Carlsbad". No thinking or explanation required.

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Jun 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

You found a typo. Adorable.

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Jun 6, 2020, 7:16 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

You are the one that sounds like the idiot. You would be better off to S T F U. You should be banned for even posting this calling someone an idiot and belittling them. We all understand your wife has your balls in her purse so you have to be internet bad boy while she isn't home. Hahaha

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:45 PM

It’s obvious Black people don’t mind the word because they said it continuously.
I have not heard it being used in years except by black folks.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:48 PM

Really? You're so dumb. It's great. Context timing and who says it. Take a timeout and think of the difference scenarios.

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:51 PM

Internet tough guy .

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Jun 6, 2020, 2:08 PM

Same always. Would say the same thing to your face. You're just dumb. It's not your fault.

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Nah, just someone who's having a bad day I guess. Unless he


Jun 6, 2020, 2:32 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

keeps it up. That would make him an arrogant jerk.

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Re: Nah, just someone who's having a bad day I guess. Unless he


Jun 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

Nah...just not a moron who can't figure out the obvious.

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Jun 6, 2020, 7:20 PM [ in reply to Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't? ]

Do everyone a favor and go play in a train tunnel. You sound like a freaking 5 year old who didn't get a toy in his happy meal. Wah wah wah!

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 1:57 PM

I can write the words baby, honey or sugar on this board. I do not have to refer to them as the h-word, b-word or s-word. This explanation is not in the same context.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 2:03 PM

I think your logic is flawed and your post focuses on the struggles of one race. You say that within the black community it’s a term of affection or friendship. But that is not always the case. I have heard to black guys while playing sports get into a fight one calling the other a sorry N. Then the other guy responded F you N I will kick you a$$. So are you saying that is ok to use the N word in this context because it’s within your race of people???

I grew up with 3 black guys that lived about a mile from my house. They were frequently at my house playing basketball or football. We called each other honky, N, and other words during our time together. Neither one of us were offended by our words because we were really good friends. When I got married my group of friends called each other’s wives baby and honey in public. We even joked about running away with one of our friends wives. All this done in public when we went to the lake or the beach. We will all confident in ourselves and in our marriages to make those kind of jokes.

The world has become so sensitive and politically correct that people are offended over some of the dumbest things. I never thought our society would become so politically correct that the use of one word could ruin a person’s career or even their life. You know the politicians play on this. And so do leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, David Dukes (KKK leader) and other people that claim they are trying to help bring the races together. What have they really done for us except profit from us. Using us as pawns in a chase game for their benefit and political power.

The Black race are not the only race to endure slavery and suffer at the hands of others. Every race at some time in history has been enslaved or discriminated against. IMO I would have to say the Jewish race has suffered far more than any other race. And their suffering continues today as well. When Irish immigrants came to America they were discriminated against white and black people.

In every race of people IMO there are a minority of people who are racist. No matter what laws we pass or protest we have that will probably never change. Some people just have hate and racism in their hearts. But I believe that the majority of each race Wants to interact with each other and be accepting of other races.

The point I am trying to make is that their are hate groups within every race. There is offensive language we all dislike. There are hate groups that do their best to keep racial issues as the main focus of the media. Groups like the KKK, the Black Panthers, Chinese and Middle Eastern hate groups do their best to make racism a major issue. These groups do not want racial harmony. It’s to their advantage to keep races divided. They profit and gain power over people through racism. You know the old saying “divide and conquer “. That is what is happening in America today. The losers in all of this will be people like you and me. People that just want to live and let live.

To sum up my post maybe we should just eliminate the N word from our language at least as much as we can if it’s such a bad word. But when it is used maybe we should try not to let the media blow it up into an international incident. I dislike people saying GD but it’s accepted language in movies and in society. Why can’t we ban the use of that offensive word. I would think disrespecting God is much worse the disrespecting people. The F word is a vulgar offensive word to many but it’s everyday language. I guess what I don’t understand is why the N word takes such a high priority over the other words I mentioned above. And most of all why it’s OK for one race to use it but if it is used by white people it can ruin their lives. At least that is what I have gotten a few of your post to date.

IMO we all need to learn more tolerance, patience, kindness, and respect for each other. And we need to be less sensitive and less politically correct. Most important of we need to love one another as God says in the Bible. “ Love they neighbor as you love yourself”

This post is in no one meant to promote racism, or hate. Rather I hope it does just the opposite.

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Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 2:11 PM



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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 2:18 PM

As there should be.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 2:28 PM

I respectfully disagree with you. Having double standards is what is wrong with society in today’s world.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 2:36 PM

It's not up to either one of us to decide what they say and when they use it in context. Anyone else is just making an excuse for our past. It's disgusting. This thread should be erased for straight ignorance. I am embarrassed for Clemson fans. We are stuck in 1975 it seems.

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So group A can decide what group B says


Jun 6, 2020, 3:36 PM

but group B can’t decide what group A says?

How is that a fair, respectful exchange of ideas?

If we want to heal racism, it’a not going to work if one group gets to tell another group how it’s going to be. Cooperation and understanding from both sides will be necessary.

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Re: So group A can decide what group B says


Jun 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

Yes. Its obvious why.

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Please tell us why it’s obvious.***


Jun 6, 2020, 5:08 PM



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Because. You know.***


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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 3:08 PM [ in reply to Re: Because there is a double standard...duh*** ]

Carlsbad® said:

As there should be.


Do you realize this is the most coherent argument you've made in this entire post?

The rest of your comments have been nothing but guilting or shaming or whatever the internet lawyers call it.

So now would you please explain to this 'toddler' why double standards SHOULD exist, and who gets to set them, and for how long?

Since the adults in the room are in total agreement, after all.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

When comments are so clueless for 2020, they deserve just basic simple ridicule. If anyone has to ask why a white person can't use the N word and a black person can use it,l they are too dumb to exist. You're still bewildered by what it is not equal in tbe scenario. Simple context escapes you. Basic history escapes you.You should be humiliated...

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

100 years from now, when the N word is still being used as a pejorative, it will not be the fault of Rw43 nor his progeny.

It will be because the DJ Greenlees of the world used the word as a 'contextual' pejorative, and the Kneejerk Carlsbads of the world continued to blame American history as an excuse to justify it.

I'm not perpetuating the past; your guilt-ridden attitude is. When protests happen in 2120, it will be on you and DJ's kids, not mine.

Many of us are willing to say "A new history begins today", but you're still stuck on the past, because you believe we cannot defend it.

Okay, fine. Let's assume there is no rational moral defense for any white behavior towards minorities prior to 2020. I was always at fault; blacks were always more noble. What now? Where do we go from here? Do you have any answer?

Or is Kneejerk Carlsbad simply going to rant some more about how dumb the rest of us are?

What is your resolution? Do you want us all to feeeeeeeeel reeeeeeeeeal baaaaaad? If that will solve the problems, I'll try; but I doubt I can do it well enough to make you happy.

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Jun 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

You want to know why if black peeps can use the N-word, why can't you. You seem smart.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 4:24 PM

I have no desire to use the word.

But I hate to see Mark Twain's books banned from schools. If Harper Lee had written a few years earlier, "To Kill a Mockingbird" might contain the word and be banned instead of being the wonderful educational tool it is.

I'm willing to surrender some otherwise great literature in order to move past the word's use. But not if only some of us are moving past it. Either the word is disrespectful and should not be passed to our posterity, or its use should be evaluated by everyone in terms of context. Not both. If DJ can use it contextually, Mark Twain can, too, and a good man and coach shouldn't get Twitter-crucified for saying "We don't say N----- around here."

There is no defense for that double standard, but feel free to try.

If you use words instead of emojis, I'll be respectful.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

You wonder why they can you can not. You're smart. Context, US history, and situation are all above your intelligence level. You might want to sit this topic out, bud.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 6:02 PM

You're juggling too many emojis. Your emotions are not allowing you to progress in your thought processes.

Thanks for being the role model for Why Race Relations Cannot Be Discussed.

I commend HBrown again for beginning the conversation; even if I disagree with some of his points and conclusions, he expressed values that I can appreciate. He has treated with respect people with differing views. And because he knows this is an ongoing conversation, he has no desire to condemn the rest of us.

In this conversation, Mr C, you have been an obstacle to conversation, discussion, progress and resolution. I wonder why you bothered becoming the Nexus of Nothing. It's clear you have no interest in doing anything other than browbeating anyone who isn't guilt-ridden like you. Why do you feel so guilty? Did your relatives own a plantation? Did you fire an African American without cause in your younger days?

Kindly find a way to make a point sometime if you're going to continue posting on social issues. Obviously my opinion is not necessarily correct, but it's been far more logical, fact-based, substantive and progressive than any you, the self-proclaimed "adult", have brought to the board.

I've had my say. Thanks for um, "listening" like a white guy.

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Re: Because there is a double standard...duh***


Jun 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

You tried. That's what counts. You're so dumb. It's awesome. Thanks...haha. Love it.

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If the goal is actually equality, then the double standards


Jun 6, 2020, 5:36 PM [ in reply to Re: Because there is a double standard...duh*** ]

have to go on BOTH sides

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Re: If the goal is actually equality, then the double standards


Jun 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

It's not an equal issue. It has nothing do with equality.

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Oh sure it is, equal treatment for all...If Dabo said it, he


Jun 6, 2020, 6:13 PM

would lose his job, DJ Greenlee said it and it's only a footnote...The word needs to go away forever and I can't believe you're not smart enough to see that...I truly am, enough with the cop-outs, end it or forever hold your peace

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Re: Oh sure it is, equal treatment for all...If Dabo said it, he


Jun 6, 2020, 6:17 PM

Its not an equal issue. Lol...sorry. It does matter who says it. There is a history.

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If you think it's OK for anybody to say it, then clearly you


Jun 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

are part of the problem...And put the history cop-out to bed Ace, that dog don't hunt

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Since our histories are so very different, should there be


Jun 6, 2020, 6:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Oh sure it is, equal treatment for all...If Dabo said it, he ]

two completely different sets of expectations, two different codes of conduct, and two different sets of laws, all based on skin color? Maybe just split into two countries? How dark does one's skin have to be to be considered "black"? Will there be DNA tests?

Or, we could all try to live together, as one country, with the same expectations for behavior, and all under the same exact laws, with no exceptions made for skin color. We fought that bloody war over 150 years ago, and I thought the good guys won so that the Union could be preserved. Now, in 2020, it's pretty clear that those who wish to divide us are winning.

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Now that's just crazy talk


Jun 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

;)

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Which would not be a double standard.***


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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 2:39 PM

They are words, consider the source and move on. When people use the Lord’s name in vain, especially when they holler Jesus Christ, it makes me cringe but I don’t say anything and move on. I can’t stand the “F” word, don’t care for tattoos, body piercings, or males with earrings but to each his own. This is a free country and folks can do as they please within legal limits.

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"Culturally sacred"???


Jun 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

What kind of twisted, bass ackwards "culture" holds such a thing sacred?

smh

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The word isn’t "Culturally sacred”... the context is..


Jun 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

There are some things allowed and not allowed and for argument only and exclusively among certain groups and settings.

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Stop with the they say it in hip hop argument, unless...


Jun 6, 2020, 3:38 PM

You don’t watch movies(entertainment, art) that have things said or done you disagree with or think wrong for yourself. Most of us watch all sorts of things in film: murder, sexual content, profanity, robbery, all levels of crime and we don’t say... “well they did it or do it in a movie!!” Hip Hop is a cultural art form and entertainment. It is out of the context of a culture good and bad. But it is “art-tainment.” You do t have to like it and not all of it is committed to raising the consciousness of the human or black race- some, like movies are documentarian, some is just for shock and reaction, some is biographical, some is for dancing, some is for comedy, some is even horror. And I know most of us are not for censoring. But as with any entertainment or art form, we are responsible for how we use it and don’t use it. And some of us can’t handle it... so we need to humble ourselves in our attempt late to make one imperialistic judgement have to stand across everything. Some things are NOT straightforward, especially race and culture. And NO as a father of two teenage boys... i don’t like all they are listening to and challenge and demand more and make them not play certain things. We ALL have to THINK and stop just flushing and dumping on everything out of fear that we will lose controls on our world.

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Re: Stop with the they say it in hip hop argument, unless...


Jun 6, 2020, 5:48 PM

God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart”
1 Samuel 16:7

Apologies to the original poster...
This thread has turned into an embarrassment...

The original poster has context that none of the other posters have... why not listen to to what he’s saying....

From a white Christian man’s perspective- I default to the Scripture above (and many examples like it) for this issue and many issues...

No one here is going to convince me that the intentions of a white person using that word are remotely the same as a black person using that word ,..

More often than not when white people use that word their heart is full of hatred....and by that I mean when they actually direct at another human being ...and not in some sort of abstract way...

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If someone REALLY believes telling one race they are allowed


Jun 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

to say a certain word and telling another race they can't isn't the purest example of racism, then they are either a racist or a fool.

If they believe N----r is both a good word and a bad word then they're a crazy fool.

And if they actually believe that a majority of humans are ever going to be stupid stupid enough to actually believe both of these things then they have no chance of ever being anything but a fool.

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Re: If someone REALLY believes telling one race they are allowed


Jun 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

If the ones who use the word don’t want others to use the word, then stop using the word. It use to be the fbomb, but that is ever other sentence today by some people.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

So calling Renfrow "White Chocolate" was okay with the OP???? Was Renfrow so good that he's good enough to be Black (or Chocolate)? I guess Blacks are so elite that it is an honor to be included as "White Chocolate".

When a White person loses a job that they worked their butts off to obtain, and they need that job to provide for their family, all because they used a dammmed word that an entire race is allowed to use, then THAT is wrong and companies need to be boycotted if they ever do that to someone.

I'm calling the OP out as a racist. This entire thread needs to be deleted IMO.

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It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

It should be deemed not ok for anyone to say. But you will always have the apologists say it's ok "if" you are of a certain ethnic background. That is not part of the "must change" narrative. In the end I don't use the word. Playful or not. Too #### much trouble explaining the difference. Especially when an agenda based sector lives to feed the frenzy of race baiting.

You know because we can't figure out that evil lives in a man whether he be a cop, gang banger, emt, lawyer, blue collar Joe, white, black, asian, hispanic, or otherwise. Don't try just the guilty party. Too simple. Not news worthy. Gotta throw that baby out with the bath water.

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Re: It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

They should say what they want whenever they want. We don't have that option with our history. They do. It's not like you really care anyway about the word, other than to make excuses.

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You're making the excuses.


Jun 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

I'm stating a simple fact. So what didn't you like about my post Poster Boy Calybad? You think it's ok for you to defend a ridiculous double standard. And anyone disagreeing with you is wrong because of the color of their skin?? You understand what that makes you? I'll wait...

"You know because we can't figure out that evil lives in a man whether he be a cop, gang banger, emt, lawyer, blue collar Joe, white, black, asian, hispanic, or otherwise. Don't try just the guilty party. Too simple. Not news worthy. Gotta throw that baby out with the bath water."

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Re: You're making the excuses.


Jun 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

Pretty bad you don't get the difference between white people saying it and black people saying it to each other. Kind of disgusting actually.

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Re: It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 6, 2020, 7:34 PM [ in reply to Re: It shouldn't be ok. ]

Last time I checked no one living today owned any slaves.

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Re: It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 6, 2020, 8:40 PM

Yall are just gettin trolled by the resident idiot...

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Re: It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 7, 2020, 7:23 AM [ in reply to Re: It shouldn't be ok. ]

You think that word was only used in that way during slavery. You seem smart.

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Re: It shouldn't be ok.


Jun 6, 2020, 9:58 PM [ in reply to Re: It shouldn't be ok. ]

Are you one of those people who feel guilty for what happened over 150 years ago. Do you not feel that society has made great strides among race relations. Are do you see everything as a stain again the white race that we must bare forever. If that is the case who do we punish for what has happened to the Jewish people’s over several times in history.

We cannot have double standards and remain as a united society. We should feel All Lives Matter. We should do our best to unite as a country. It’s people like you Carlsbad that I believe is a reason our country is so divided.

As I Christian I demand people stop using GD, or using Jesus Christ in a derogatory way. If the Black Race can determine how they use the N word as many Christians feel we no longer want the above words I mentioned. Do we not have those same rights??? A house divided cannot stand. Will the United States destroy itself within because we are such a divided nation.

Most of you post IMO just took up valuable space.

There many great post about the original post. I can remember you screen names but I gave TU’s for a really good post.


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The fact you have to address this:


Jun 6, 2020, 9:02 PM

It demonstrates a sad state for my beloved Clemson with many of the people on this site.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 7, 2020, 8:42 AM

Remember how Clemson fans felt every time we heard someone say "Clem***ing"? Now multiply that times about a million.
The fact is that word helps no one and hurts many. Just lose it from our vocabulary. I know... It won't stop there, but that will still be one less thing to divide us.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 7, 2020, 9:42 AM

It is gone from the vast majority of white people's vocabulary. If a black person wants to say it in a certain context it is none of our business.

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Re: Why can a black person say the N-word while others can't?


Jun 7, 2020, 9:55 AM

I'm not gonna read all 106 comments, so I might be repeating somebody.

There's a difference in calling somebody a word and saying a word. All of your examples involve calling somebody a word. You can say all of those words in the office. "I'd like some sugar in my coffee" isn't gonna get anybody fired. Try again.

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