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The difference between Clemson and Texas basketball.
Mar 29, 2015, 5:33 PM
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Clemson accepts mediocrity, Texas does not.
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Re: The difference between Clemson and Texas basketball.
Mar 29, 2015, 5:39 PM
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One of Clemson's greatest coaches just got fired at Texas. That should tell you everything.
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Orange Blooded [2846]
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Barnes at was Texas for 17 years***
Mar 29, 2015, 5:57 PM
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Re: The difference between Clemson & Texas basketball.
Mar 29, 2015, 5:42 PM
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In practice our guys couldn't hit the broad side of a Barnes
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Devotee [305]
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We're not even mediocre. VT, FSU, ND, and others that
Mar 29, 2015, 5:46 PM
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are new to the ACC and are known as football schools have come in and won at Duke and UNC, and won ACC titles. Things we haven't done since helping to create the ACC way back in 1953.
Basketball is different than other sports. You have to be committed to winning and step up and pay big money for a serious coach. A program like Clemson will never break through without spending a lot of money and making a huge hire. We have the money and frankly it's stupid to spend 10's of millions to renovate Littlejohn if we aren't willing to spend $2.5 million to get a great coach.
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Orange Blooded [2846]
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We have a great coach with zero support from the fans
Mar 29, 2015, 5:59 PM
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Clemson fans suck unless it is football. Everything else doesn't matter.
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Sure Cobb, coaches & players are great. The fans suck.
Mar 29, 2015, 6:14 PM
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Yeah, that's the story.
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Re: We have a great coach with zero support from the fans
Mar 30, 2015, 12:51 AM
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So you didn't see any progress from going 13-18 to making the semi's of the NIT and having an NBA draft pick last season?
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Devotee [305]
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And these mediocre hires for HC show no .....
Mar 30, 2015, 1:44 AM
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true desire to win by the admin, NO REAL COMMITMENT to basketball, but I'm hoping Clements loves basketball half as much as football and thinks it's stupid to spend 10s of millions on a new facility them puss out on hiring a serious HC.
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Re: And these mediocre hires for HC show no .....
Mar 31, 2015, 7:38 PM
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I am a Clemson grad '77, and there has never been any serious commitment to basketball. We always try to hire on the cheap and get by on the cheap, just like we are doing now with the Littlejohn remodel. We have been turned down by assistant coaches for our head coaching job because they felt there was no commitment. And the women's program is even more woeful!
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Just sayin, the money is a little different...
Mar 29, 2015, 9:22 PM
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If I remember correctly, LJ is being renovated pRimarily with revenue bonds....can't pay salary like that...
So what were seeing is, build the facility, then shell out big iptay dough for a coach on the premise of be the legendary coach at Clemson in one of the nicest/newest facilities
I agree though, it's tough to call us mediocre....against all ncaa maybe, ACC And power conferences, def the bottom tier
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Devotee [305]
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Wrong. 1st using bonds is smart, you can spend more money
Mar 30, 2015, 2:02 AM
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now and pay it back with a very low fixed rate over decades off the revenue stream of the AD.
2nd we just got a $7 to $9 million per year raise with the new ESPN contract and with the expansion of the ACC and the ACC Network more money is on the way in the future.
3rd a winning program would generate far higher revenues and easily pay the extra $1 or $2 million extra for a big time coach.
4th IPTAY is sitting on over 40 million cash.
5th we are getting an extra $500k to $1m per year for the next 10 years just off the strong showing of the ACC in this years' NCAA tourney.
6th it would be insane to spend what we are about to spend on a new facility, but not use that to attract a great HC for an extra $2m/year! (which again we can easily afford and it would pay for itself)
Granted I'd stick with BB another 2 to 3 years while we upgrade the facilities and give him a little more time, but no significant improvement within 3 years and he has to go. Then we see IF our new pres and BOT are finally serious about basketball being more than an after thought at Clemson.
For the record, I was a huge BB fan and thought he was a good hire, but he has been very disappointing. Basketball ain't football. It only takes 1 great player or a few years to turn a program around. We're in the ACC for god's sake. There is no reason we can't consistently finish right behind UNC, Duke, and Louisville and every few years put a scare into them.
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Is Geology
Mar 29, 2015, 5:51 PM
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End of Story.
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Austin is a vibrant city & TX pays Hoops HC in spades***
Mar 29, 2015, 6:12 PM
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What???????
Mar 30, 2015, 4:14 PM
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In Texas the sports are as follows"
1 - Football
2 - Football Practice
3 - Football Recruiting
4 - Baseball
69 - Basketball
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Somewhat off the subject
Mar 29, 2015, 6:16 PM
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Just for conversation...
who would you guys like to see here? Realistically.
I have heard Shaka Smart at VCU; But I would like to throw in the name Chris Mack at
Xavier.
Dreaming BIG, I would say Greg Marshall at Wichita State.
thoughts.
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Re: Somewhat off the subject
Mar 29, 2015, 9:05 PM
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Espn says both Smart and Marshall are chomping at the bit for Texas job .
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Why?***
Mar 30, 2015, 3:43 PM
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Re: Somewhat off the subject
Mar 30, 2015, 12:50 AM
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Brad Brownell. That's who I like seeing here.
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Orange Blooded [2481]
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I take it you....
Mar 30, 2015, 3:44 PM
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hate basketball.
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Re: Somewhat off the subject
Mar 31, 2015, 12:31 PM
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My thoguhts are Clemson fans are delusional.
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Don't know for sure if you don't try***
Mar 31, 2015, 12:32 PM
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I'm pretty sure I can't fly...That's good enough for me, no
Mar 31, 2015, 1:41 PM
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need to try
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There is a lot of truth to that. Obviously Texas has much
Mar 29, 2015, 6:43 PM
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greater resources than Clemson (and just about anybody else, for that matter), but having said that, there is no reason at all that Clemson can't and should not expect to have a very good basketball program. Traditionally, for the most part, it just hasn't been enough of a priority at Clemson. That can change, and it should.
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Re: There is a lot of truth to that. Obviously Texas has much
Mar 29, 2015, 8:45 PM
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agree that it sure should
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Rock Defender [56]
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they win and we lose.....
Mar 29, 2015, 7:43 PM
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What is their free throw success percentage? Watching the NCAAs the the winners are shooting a high percentage.
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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Texas one of the top 10 coaching jobs?
Mar 29, 2015, 9:09 PM
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according to this guy on NBC
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/28/rick-barnes-is-no-longer-the-head-coach-at-texas/
"And now the coaching carousel will kick into overdrive, because Texas is, at worst, one of the top ten jobs in the country."
really? does he mean one of the top ten openings? or top ten, period?
if the latter, i have a hard time buying that...
i understand that they have a huge budget, but i don't see it in the top 10;
i'd put at least 4 and maybe even 7 ACC schools ahead of it, some B1Gs, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA....etc...
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Re: Texas one of the top 10 coaching jobs?
Mar 30, 2015, 12:46 AM
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Top 20 job
probably Top 10 money
regardless, its a danged site better job than playing home games in LJ....renovated or not...and I hate saying that because 35 or 40 years ago, I thought Clemson was headed in the correct direction
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Dude, name, money, location, competition, money, etc.
Mar 30, 2015, 2:07 AM
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They could easily be top 10 every year. Have you seen the talent Barnes has had while there? He grossly underachieved. They'd be a machine with the right coach, a Duke or Kentucky. It's scary how good they could be with Gregg Marshall.
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5 sweet 16s, 3 elite 8s, and 1 final four from 2002-2008
Mar 30, 2015, 3:51 PM
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when they had their most talented teams, not too shabby.
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Devotee [305]
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And what has he done since 2008? Not much! I love people
Mar 31, 2015, 12:41 PM
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like you that cherry pick dates and stats to make a point that easily gets crushed by reality.
Yea, they were tickled pink with Barnes back then, but he hasn't done sh!t since 2008.
Jack did great as our baseball coach his 1st 5 years but he has let the program collapse the past 5.
ASK your boss if you can sit on your ### the next 5 years since you killed it the previous 10. Get back to me with his response.
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The irony is heavy in your post.***
Mar 31, 2015, 5:03 PM
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The top 10 coaching jobs are ...
Mar 31, 2015, 8:44 AM
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Kentucky
UCLA
North Carolina
Duke
Kansas
Ohio State
Louisville
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Now I would drop the two Michigan schools from my list ... and add Virginia and Utah.
The longest a coach has stayed at Clemson is 10 years ... that by itself puts Clemson down the list.
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that's a pretty good list
Mar 31, 2015, 11:51 AM
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is that yours or one your found?
i think there are decent arguments for Syracuse and Arizona as well
UVA is definitely a contender
Utah? that one catches me by surprise
i think it's easy to come up with 10 that most of us would rank ahead of Texas
as mentioned above, Texas definitely can offer top-10 money (maybe even top-5)
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Re: that's a pretty good list
Apr 1, 2015, 11:45 AM
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It's my list ... and it's also the list of the top schools in terms of NCAA tournament success 1939-2015.
The two Michigan schools occupy the #9 and #10 spots of the 1939-2015 list. So that and the hopeless winters in Michigan are why I would drop them.
Utah? Day trips to Yellowstone Park, great hiking, great Indian culture, great golfing. There's a lot to like there. Money? Money is not a factor; once one is at that level of coaching the money is ample everywhere. Texas money would be a lot ... and then you look around and you are in Texas. I'll take the ample money elsewhere.
Syracuse? The one time I was there the air stunk. One data point only - and a powerful data point.
Arizona? The terrain around Tucson is a moonscape ... not for me. It's also hot there. I prefer "not hot".
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Drop Michigan and Ohio St.
Mar 31, 2015, 12:33 PM
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and add Arizona and Syracuse and you have my top 10. I guess Indiana has been down also, so maybe you replace them with Ohio St.
But you really can't argue with the majority of that list.
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There are actually more than 10 top 10 jobs because there
Mar 31, 2015, 12:44 PM
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are different ways of looking at it and like in the polls there can be ties.
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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you mean
Mar 31, 2015, 1:25 PM
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we can't all be right? 
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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oops, what i meant to say
Mar 31, 2015, 1:40 PM
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was
you mean we can all be right?
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Devotee [305]
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LOL I agree with the list but think there are actually 12 to
Mar 31, 2015, 3:32 PM
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15 programs that can easily be considered top 10 programs.
UCLA's history is pretty thin minus Wooden and uncle Joe bought most of those players. The truth of UCLA is actually pretty dirty.
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UCLA
Mar 31, 2015, 4:10 PM
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i remember reading years ago, one of the guys who played in the Bruins' glory days (drawing a blank on the name) said he took a pay cut when he went to the NBA
in his book, Bill Walton said he never wanted for anything once he got to UCLA and he said his life style was a step down after he went to the NBA
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Re: The difference between Clemson and Texas basketball.
Mar 30, 2015, 1:27 AM
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You better check and see how long barnes was there before they decided not to accept mediocrity. Lol
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Re: The difference between Clemson and Texas basketball.
Mar 31, 2015, 12:32 PM
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good lord we have some idiotic "fans"
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Barnes got THEM to the Final 4 not us****
Mar 31, 2015, 1:04 PM
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The real difference?
Mar 31, 2015, 1:31 PM
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Shaka is INTERESTED in hearing what Texas has to say, Clemson, not so much
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I agree
Mar 31, 2015, 4:20 PM
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Re: The difference between Clemson and Texas basketball.
Mar 31, 2015, 10:29 PM
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Texas has a money pit and we do not....Go Tigers!!!!!
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