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Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 4:04 PM
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Just wondering, if the ACC were to jump to 16, who are the most likely candidates. I think Notre Dame is a given. So who, realistically would you consider the best option at 16. Also without ND, who would be your the other best option. I would have personally preferred west Virginia, but, unfortunately, that ship has sailed. We've all heard the rumors involving UCONN and Rutgers. Don't really see what either of these two add other than uconn basketball and locking down the entire east coast. Don't really see any SEC or BIG team leaving where they're at, so forget about that. Only one that ever seemed to even be discussed was Penn st and I wouldn't touch them now. If some how Notre Dame was interested then how about Louisville? They would actually connect the east coast schools to Notre Dame while adding a decent overall athletic program.
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The ACC wants schools with good academics,
Jul 17, 2012, 4:25 PM
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something Louisville doesn't have.
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I would rather have Rutgers than Louisville. If we end up
Jul 17, 2012, 4:31 PM
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with Notre Dame, then Connecticut or Rugters would be the best option for #16.
Rugters actually has a good stadium atmosphere, gets good crowds and is in a great location in relation to the other schools and brings in great recruiting grounds. Itr is also a big state university that I think the Big10 will someday invite if we don't. Connecticut has a lot of good selling points also, but I think I prefer Rutgers.
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Re: I would rather have Rutgers than Louisville. If we end up
Jul 17, 2012, 7:43 PM
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Good crowds? They averaged 43k last year! That would have put them ahead of Maryland, BC, Wake, and Duke. Also we don't have to be in a conference with Rutgers to pick off recruits from NJ. USUC, UGA, FSU, UF, and a bunch of schools all across the country consistently come in a get some of the top prospects. We could go in a grab some if we recruited this area at all. Rutgers is garbage in just about every sport, and bring nothing to the table.
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Eyeballs
Jul 17, 2012, 8:13 PM
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Lots of potential eyeballs.
It's all about eyeballs.
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It's about interested eyeballs. Anybody in the NJ/NY area
Jul 17, 2012, 8:23 PM
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that is a college football fan is going to tune in to the biggest game on TV at the time regardless of conference; not Rutgers, unless it's the Rutgers from a few years back when they were making a national run - then they actually were the biggest game on TV. Their market does nothing for a college league unless its teams are the hottest thing going, which could be anyone, anywhere.
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Re: It's about interested eyeballs. Anybody in the NJ/NY area
Jul 17, 2012, 8:27 PM
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You may be right.
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Re: I would rather have Rutgers than Louisville. If we end up
Jul 18, 2012, 7:57 AM
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Why go to 16? The money gets split by even more teams. The increase in total pay to the conference would have to be huge to add two more teams. Only Notre Dame could make that work. Any school outside of Notre Dame is a non-starter.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 4:57 PM
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Realistically if the ACC goes to 16 it will be Rutgers and UConn. I'd like to see it be Notre Dame and Penn St, but I doubt if that would happen.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 10:44 PM
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A few weeks ago I was a proponent of ND & PSU. At this point I hope PSU get the death penalty for the egregious actions/lack of proper actions and would love to see Navy.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 5:00 PM
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ND isn't going anywhere....they have absolutely ZERO reason to join a conference now.
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If Notre Dame were to join, I'd rather see the ACC add
Jul 17, 2012, 5:05 PM
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Navy ahead of the other options available. It's not the sexiest football or basketball program, but it would fit the league. If Notre Dame stays independent, which is likely, I'd just as soon the ACC stay at 14. We don't need to water down our football schedule any more than it is now.
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I'd much prefer Louisville... Better athletics than Rutgers
Jul 17, 2012, 5:13 PM
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and it would give another good SEC rival with Kentucky. And I think UConn is going to get in, too.
With this said, I think it's going to be Rutgers and UConn that get the invites... The tri-state area has just too many eyeballs. It's a much more lucrative option than Louisville.
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Louisville....FB, BB, and competes with SEC KY, New state
Jul 17, 2012, 5:15 PM
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nm
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Louisville is 164th in Academics. Not gonna happen***
Jul 17, 2012, 8:10 PM
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Well, let's see...
Jul 17, 2012, 5:37 PM
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If I were the ACC and dead-set on going to 16 teams, I would:
1) Start by giving Notre Dame a quick call and letting them know that they are by far our favorite option should they choose to enter into serious discussions about joining as a full member with equal revenue sharing, and that since we doubt that will happen, we'll move on. They know our number.
2) I WOULD have asked West Virgina to join. A good football and basketball school, a good geographic fit, a rabid fan base, and a natural rival to many of our current members. But, since it appears that ship has sailed...
3) I wouldn't touch Cincy or Louisville. If we're going to take schools of this academic quality, we go ask for forgiveness from West Virginia...maybe burn a couch as a show of support. But Notre Dame is the one school that simply does not need a geographic bridge to any conference. Their fanbase is nationwide and there's no powerful local rivalry for them. No reason to stretch to Louisville or Cincy.
4) There was a time when the ACC was squeeky enough to overcome Penn State's woes. There was a time when Penn State didn't have a woe to overcome. Sadly, that time has passed. With Miami in hot water, UNC a mess, and even GT on probation, I can't imagine the ACC solicits the program with the biggest problems in the country. Bad timing, but it is what it is.
5) Best options then become UConn and Rutgers. I tell them both that they are on the table (the ACC would be a much better home for both of them at this point). I ask both to present their plan to support their football programs (and with Rutgers, also their basketball program). If either of them balk at this, I place a call to South Florida and make sure it leaks. No one in the ACC will want South Florida, but UConn and Rutgers couldn't take that chance. Not much that UConn can do, but I believe Rutgers has tons of up-side and their admin should be called on it to support the program if they want in.
And that'd be the story. Rutgers and UConn would be 15 and 16.
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How about
Jul 17, 2012, 6:01 PM
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ND, Temple (they are growing and play in Philly Stadium), and get some real balls to do the right thing and add Army and Navy. Get to 18. Set the mold, have service academy's and make your division championship mean something. Then playing 8 conference games is set by playing your division and truly have a conference you can be proud of. HOW ABOUT DEM APPLES!
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Re: How about
Jul 17, 2012, 6:54 PM
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Somehow you lost the concept of realistic. No one is going to 18 teams. Not gonna happen.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 6:06 PM
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Louisville has been rumored to the Big 12 for the past year. Don't see it happening anything soon (but who knows?). They want out of the Big East so bad, they will prob. jump at any offer.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 6:18 PM
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my predictions on future expansion (wish list):
ACC: ND (top of everybody's list. competeing with Big 12 and B1G), UCONN, Rutgers
Big 12: ND, Louisville, Cincy
PAC 12: Don't see any expansion or decent fits (maybe Boise)
SEC: Everyone has talked about VT and NCSU.
B1G: ND
Big East: Its a matter of time that the remaining decent teams bolt to another conference.
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Eventually, ND will join a conference.
Jul 17, 2012, 7:56 PM
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I think the money will become too much of an incentive. I know when their contract is up with NBC if they are not doing much better than they are now on the field the pay raise won't be to their liking.
The drawback for ND is that they'll be forced to do business with Dook and Wake and other teams that don't travel well and don't draw a crowd when they get there either.
Personally, I think the B1G will happen for ND eventually.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 17, 2012, 10:14 PM
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notre dame playing rutgers in an acc match-up in giants stadium is just what the doctor ordered rutgers is THE elite school in n.j. / nyc area has made great strides in fb army & navy can't do it for n.d. any more when they take their road show to the big apple..& this is clemson's big chance to take their road show to the capital of the world..the tigers have been in the ny. times 'cause of sammy already last year .n.d. plus rutgers would make the acc the most elite academically and power football wise conference combined , in all cfb..texas a&m vandy & fla. would love to be in the acc on that account already.
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Re: Realistic options for expansion
Jul 18, 2012, 1:23 AM
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IMHO the decision to go to 16 was made when the ACC expanded to 14. Who it is will be dependent on what ND does. There have been talks over the years between the ACC and ND, and although the Big 10 would make more sense there is a connection between the ACC and ND. If ND goes elsewhere, then expect UCONN and Rutgers. Otherwise expect ND and UCONN. The new "playoff" system should put more pressure on ND to finally move to a conference sooner than later.
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