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CU Guru [1929]
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The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:09 PM
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Before some of you jump on me, let me say we have got to start winning against FSU before we can become a real contender, I understand that much. However, looking at the abysmal line up of ACC games coming this week and the next few weeks it's no wonder we, as a conference aren't held in high regard. The coastal division, from top to bottom is a dumpster fire, how do I know this, anytime Duke is in contention for the ACCCG, It's bad! Then there's the Atlantic, FSU, as painful as it is to admit it, isthe best team in the division. We are winning ugly ( and believe me I'm glad for a win anyway we get it) and we just look anemic on offense. Louisville is okay and the others are just not quality teams. I look at the SEC, Big 12 and the PAC 12 and there is parity for the most part in those leagues. We may have parity but it's backwards parity, everyone is equally bad. I can say with comfort that we will be great next year and so will FSU along with Louisville but that just means we beat each other up only to face the sad, poor winner of the coastal division. We need to encourage the other 10-11 teams to get better or we may find our conference left out of future playoff discussions. Just my opinion, wonder what you think?
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:15 PM
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If the AP and Coaches polls would just arbitrarily rank half the Coastal Division teams in the preseason top 15, the conference would be awesome.
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furthermore would add the built-in, self-fulfilling
Oct 28, 2014, 5:23 PM
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preservation of strength of schedule which ultimately keeps the good ole boy network intact.
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Hey Tgrlvr1989...CU is 5-5 against FSU
Oct 28, 2014, 6:02 PM
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In last 10 games.....yur OP sounds cootish...
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what about the last 5?***
Oct 28, 2014, 6:04 PM
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1-4, 3 of which were road games***
Oct 28, 2014, 6:05 PM
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agreed... I just have a hard time with the idea that there's
Oct 28, 2014, 6:22 PM
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suddenly this huge gap ... when prior to Fisher we'd win 5 of 7
I just want to see us turn that trend... IMO, the ACC's too weak for us to continue the trend of the last few years
We have to start winning some of those
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That would last all of 2-3 weeks. Then they get blown
Oct 28, 2014, 6:03 PM
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out twice by ECU, scratch by San Diego St, get thumped at Nebraska, lose at home to Iowa and Akron in back to back weeks, etc. The SECW might start out with some inflated rankings, but they also maintain those rankings by winning OOC. And before you say they didn't play anyone... Bama beat WVU, Auburn won @K State, LSU beat Wisconsin, and Ole Miss crushed Boise St. The Coastal has one quality OCC win, VTs fluke at Ohio St.
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yes...
Oct 28, 2014, 5:15 PM
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no way around that
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TD for not-paragraphs
Oct 28, 2014, 5:16 PM
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Not really...I don't TD anybody.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:17 PM
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The "argument" for the coastal is dumb... If Duke is winning it must be bad. Don't let perceptions get in the way of the truth. And FsU is just the best team in the division, they have been the best team in the nation. What's the point of this? You want to be able to say we are the toughest conference? You are really concerned about an undefeated ACC team won't make it into a playoff? Really?
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:21 PM
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No, I didn't mean to imply FSU won't be a part of the playoff. It's just as a conference except for FSU and Clemson, their stadiums are almost empty and the quality just seems to not be there. I am not saying we need to leave the ACC but something has got to give for our conference to be a major player at playoff times.
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We added top tier schools such as VT, Miami, FSU
Oct 28, 2014, 5:19 PM
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and now the latest top tier additions as well. None have changed our conference acronym to SEC unfortunately so we get what we get. 1 undefeated team(i.e. FSU) being dismissed is simply impossible to sell so this is why we have a lopsided conference in ranking. How VT beat the snot out of Ohio State is beyond comprehension, right? =)
Not a thing wrong with our conference
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If Miss St or Ole Miss are in contention for the SECCG...***
Oct 28, 2014, 5:19 PM
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As much as some of the posters would like, since they
Oct 28, 2014, 5:20 PM
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pull for all ACC teams to lose, the ACC will NOT be left out of future playoff discussions. The ACC will always be a major conference regardless of all the gloom and doom on the board.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:20 PM
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The Ville should be ranked and GT is close. After bowl season we could see FSU, Clemson,Duke, GT and L-ville all ranked. That would look good for the ACC going into the off season.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:21 PM
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I haven't really figured out how conference perception works. The ACC has five bowl eligible teams; better than the BIG10 and Big 12, same as PAC 12 and two less than the mighty SEC. We certainly hurt from there being no dominant team in the coastal but seem to suffer much more than the SEC; Georgia lost to a four loss SCar and Missouri lost to Indiana.
It's like a double edged sword until the media decide the ACC is a legitimate challenger to the SEC. The way it is right now, they complain about the depth of the league, but if there were 6 or so Clemson/FSU teams would we have an undefeated team in the playoff?
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:24 PM
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I think so...
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 6:07 PM
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Currently Duke > Scar and GT > Florida and NC > UT and Miami = Kentucky and
So Vandy > VT and BC < Uga and Missou = UVa
By my extrapolation , the ACC Coastal is dead even with the SEC Least.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:27 PM
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Gloom, despair and agony on me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery, dah, dah, dah. It is what it is. We blew our big chance at the dance, but we certainly have a pretty bright future, I expect. I do see FSU in the final 4, and I see us in the OB again, and I'd bet we look pretty good against whomever we play, as long as Watson's healthy. It could be worse. We could be coots. That little bit of knowledge always makes me feel better.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:29 PM
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Well let's see, the acc holds the national champions, heisman, and swept every major individual college football award last year. Also, went 2-0 in BCS bowls with wins over Auburn and Ohio St.
Our middle of the pack teams have some solid wins over southern cal and ohio state this year.
FSU and Notre Dame just played the game of the year thus far, and the acc should have another solid bowl year.
Also have to consider this, we live in the center of the cfb media and sec hype...the southeast. Constant promotion of how the sec is so great, bordering invincible, despite their best two teams losing their bowls last season. ATM needed manziel to have the best performance of his career to come back vs Duke. Ole miss squeaked by ga tech. The acc has the most private schools of any power conference. The sec has the most football money, biggest stadiums, highest paid coaches. Just follow the money trail...the sec should be world beaters based on that. But they aren't.
I'm ok with where the acc is right now, not thrilled just ok. If I have a problem with anything it's the perception off the acc being deflated in relation to the sec being inflated by the media.
ACC stock is rising. SEC is high but if they have another bowl season with their top teams losing or struggling against teams ranked lower, it may be really hard for the media to continue to spin the sec agenda.
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:36 PM
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New era tiger, I like what you said. I'm human so I have been listening to Sirius radio college football station and ESPN and I guess I am just feeling down about our conference's perception. You bring up some good points and I feel a little better hearing some rational thought. Thanks!
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 5:30 PM
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I think there is some truth in what you listed. the ACC is stronger than the B10 but just barely. The Coastal has a bunch of 25-50 level teams now that VT and UM have dropped well below "the norm". Beamer seems to be BBowdenII and may need to leave for the programs sake. Golden is not a good HC, CPJ is about normal meaning 6-9 win team with no signature triumphs to speak of, Cutcliff makes Duke better but their talent is lightyears from FSU/Clemson.
I actually think BC is a solid team and will get better with their new HC. UL is obviously a very good program.
The reality is Cuse, Pitt, UNC, NCSU, WFU, UVA will all be average to poor depending on the year.
As long as Clemson, FSU, UL and ONE team from the Coastal play quality football, we won't get kicked out due to TV ratings; B10 is in the same boat.
Frankly, I just want to beat USuC this year as I don't see next year being as strong with all we are losing. We should be good but the defense is going to step back significantly and our O will be better but not enough to overcome our drop on defense. That is part of college football though and maybe we will improve more than I suspect.
I just wish more ACC teams were true football programs as the Cuse-UNC game just doesn't do it for me.
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I think you are a COOT! haha getting the hang of the COOT!
Oct 28, 2014, 5:32 PM
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calling business
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Re: I think you are a COOT! haha getting the hang of the COOT!
Oct 28, 2014, 5:39 PM
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How bout this...do you recall who miss st played in their bowl last season?
Rice.
From Rice to #1. Meanwhile, FSU is punished for being in the acc(despite their off field sec-like issues).
The acc is not as bad as they want you to believe. The sec is not as good as they want you to believe.
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The home team has won every Clemson/FSU matchup
Oct 28, 2014, 5:49 PM
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since 2002, with two exceptions. Clemson won at Tallahassee in 2006, and Clemson lost at home last year.
That means the series record since 2002 is 6-7, with 7 FSU home games and 6 Clemson home games over the period.
The problem with the ACC right now is that Miami has been down for the last 7-8 years, and has never won the Coastal. Va Tech is slumping, and has so for the last several years. Ga Tech can't be taken seriously as long as PJ is their coach, and their offense, right or wrong, casts a weak shadow on the conference. Not to mention the offense's impact on Ga Tech's recruiting. What offensive player with aspirations for the NFL would want to play in that offense? With the right coach, Ga Tech is capable of being a top 5 team, they won a NC since Clemson (1990).
History proves that schools like Pitt, Syracuse, UNC, BC, Louisville, and to a slightly lesser extent NC State have the ability to put up seasons with 10 wins or more when they have good coaches. The schools just have to be willing to make the financial commitment to their programs
It is all about those schools willingness to pay the salaries necessary to attract quality head coaches and staff.
The lip service from the ACC over the last 5 years or so is that they want great football along with great basketball. Almost half of the 14 teams in the ACC have at least one National title in their history. The ACC can be great in football, but the administrators across the conference need to put up or shut up regarding their commitment to football.
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Re: The home team has won every Clemson/FSU matchup
Oct 28, 2014, 5:54 PM
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Spot on! Thanks for your post!
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I couldn't agree more.***
Oct 28, 2014, 6:16 PM
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Re: The ACC really sux
Oct 28, 2014, 6:45 PM
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How do you surmise that the ACC < the other power 5 conferences and therefore "sux"? Please site the ACC matchups against teams in the other conferences that give you this impression. (Let's stick to this year please.) You are buying into the hype. I'm not saying the ACC is the best, but I'm not sure I can fairly say they are as bad as you're saying.
The HYPE = SEC losses to SEC teams are losses against tough teams. ACC losses against ACC teams are losses against weak teams, with the exception of a few.
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