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Food stamp rolls plummet in states that restore work require

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Jul 4, 2017, 11:12 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/04/food-stamp-rolls-plummet-in-states-that-restore-work-requirements.html

After the food stamp rolls swelled for years under the Obama administration, fresh figures show a dramatic reduction in states that recently have moved to restore work requirements.

...as part of his 2009 economic stimulus, then-President Barack Obama allowed states to waive SNAP work requirements, which resulted in the number of ABAWDs on food stamps more than doubling from 1.9 million in 2008 to 3.9 million in 2010, according to a 2012 Congressional Research Service study.

The number continued to rise but has since slipped to roughly 4.2 million.

But while that number has dipped gradually in recent years, some states have moved aggressively to push recipients who can work back into the job market and, in due time, off the program.

Similar changes were implemented in select counties in Georgia and by the end of the first three months, the number of adults receiving benefits in three participating counties dropped 58 percent, according to the Georgia Public Policy Foundation.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution recently reported that in 21 additional counties that restored the work requirement, there was a 62 percent drop in SNAP participants.

Kansas saw a 75 percent decline after implementing work requirements in 2013.

"Children will become sicker without the proper nutrition, ending up in hospitals or on the rolls of what social services remain. Some children will die,” Mariana Chilton, a professor of public health at Drexel University, predicted in a column for The Hill.

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So have they pushed recipients back into the job market or

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Jul 4, 2017, 11:18 PM
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just off the program?

Just kidding, I know the answer: Who cares?!

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Those are the liberal talking points, but, as usual, wrong.

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Jul 5, 2017, 6:05 AM
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"...either find a job or participate in work training as a condition for continuing to receive Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits."

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Re: Those are the liberal talking points, but, as usual, wrong.


Jul 5, 2017, 7:31 AM
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the biggest fraud.....having the word "nutritional" in the program name. That is hilarious.

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Re: Those are the liberal talking points, but, as usual, wrong.

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Jul 5, 2017, 10:03 AM
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right, because that money goes to lotto tickets and booze, despite that being repeatedly debunked and literally impossible.

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I think you misunderstood.


Jul 5, 2017, 7:44 AM
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What is happening to those people falling *off* SNAP? Not those continuing with the benefit.

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Isn't that his point, though?

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Jul 5, 2017, 7:58 AM
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What does it say about the criticality of this program to its recipients when half of them bail on it because they can't be bothered to attend a job training program?

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How many bailed because of the job requirement and


Jul 5, 2017, 9:17 AM
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how many bailed because they didn't need it anymore?

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No idea. What point are you getting at?


Jul 5, 2017, 9:50 AM
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If the number in the program were slowly dwindling but then made a drastic decrease after this new policy was enacted, it's pretty sensible to think that the new policy was the difference, wouldn't you say? Some of this reductions were over 50%,right? What if half of that was because participants didn't want to get a job or take a training program? That's pretty significant, I would say. Do you disagree? Do you think it's unreasonable to think that the policy shift was a significant factor in these reductions?

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That's certainly the conclusion Fox News wants us to draw.


Jul 5, 2017, 9:58 AM
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I don't have an opinion because that "news" article doesn't provide enough information. I do hasten to remind everyone that correlation does not imply causation.

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Here's an example.

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Jul 5, 2017, 10:06 AM
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The number of Mainers on food stamps dropped from 235,771 in January 2014 to 201,557 in January 2015—a drop of 14.5 percent. From January 2014 to 2015, Maine’s unemployment rate dropped from 6.0 to 5.2 percent. So was it the employment requirement that pushed people off the rolls or was it the lowering unemployment rate? It would be helpful to have a full analysis of this, but instead we just get Fox News pushing their BS narrative and confirming its readers existing biases.

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To be fair, they provided statistics that showed

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Jul 5, 2017, 11:29 AM
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a reduction of 58% or more in areas that imposed these requirements. One was 85%. A little different than 15%. Hard to imagine that employment improved that much in those areas. A little unfair to chalk this up to simply Fox News' "BS Narrative".

Certainly more could be involved but if their numbers aren't lies, I tend to think the narrative has a bit more merit than you are conceding. But then again, I would think that, wouldn't I?

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They all starved to death.

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Jul 5, 2017, 9:29 AM
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But you know this.

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Ms. Chilton obviously doesn't shop where snap is used. Some


Jul 5, 2017, 8:21 AM
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of the stuff that is being purchased is far from healthy

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Champagne and lobster tails aren't healthy?***


Jul 5, 2017, 10:32 AM
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It's not just that they require work.


Jul 5, 2017, 10:19 AM
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They found a great way just to get people to quit trying to get stamps. They can no longer just use the internet from home or the library to sign up and then not doing anything from there. They need hard copies of written out documents with phone numbers of the places they go for interviews with contact names etc etc. I saw a thing on this on the news here in Florida. They make people apply for something like 40 jobs per month and people run out of places to apply or they don't bother. Many don't even have cars or gas. Then they have to go in to the food stamps office and interview with case workers in offices that are in the middle of nowhere a couple times per month. They closed a bunch of offices. In the end, for 180 dollars or whatever the person gets it isn't worth it. They might as well sell drugs or just steal. That last part was tongue in cheek. Anyway, it is working as far as getting people off the stamps. The news was showing the sad cases though where people were going hungry and shoplifting for food arrests are way up. That's the liberal media's fake news though.

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Jul 5, 2017, 10:55 AM
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It was on the local news here in Fla.


Jul 5, 2017, 11:32 AM
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It's been on many local news stations here in Florida. Gov Scott is cleaning house. The basic theory is that there may be a few people that fall through the cracks and get a raw deal, but that far too many are just milking it. Maybe they work under the table and take stamps etc etc. Maybe they make money illegally, but also get food stamps. Whatever the reason the Gov thinks that the system is massively abused. They want to make sure people are really looking for jobs. They used to be able to just apply for a bunch of jobs on Craigslist or Monster and say they didn't get a call back or whatever. Now they have to actually meet with case workers with actual documents from the places they applied. The case workers now make them take workshops on how to better apply for jobs and interview better. When they meet with their cases workers they now have to be dressed as they would upon an interview. To top it off they have closed many offices and people have to travel too far for many. It's a grind now for many I guess, so they aren't bothering for the 180 bucks. They basically made it so complicated that people don't think it is worth it. It's fact. It's widely reported here. I am not not supporting it or against it. I am just telling you what the local news is reporting.

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