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Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 10:53 AM
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They have announced it at 6k a year. Some are joking that this is a paycut for Auburn athletes but in a more serious way I'm afraid this may mark the beginning of the end of CFB as we know it. Conference schools are flush with money from the new network and doubling down. Title 9 will allow this as long as it's equal for male and female athletes. However, what happens when schools start to use this as a recruiting tool? you know Bamas not going to sit still without at least matching that, maybe exceeding that. I saw SEC football cards for sale at Best Buy last week. Money is truly the root of all evil like the Good Book says.
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That is a pretty slippery slope there...***
Feb 10, 2015, 12:34 PM
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This will take the name college out of college football
Feb 10, 2015, 10:59 AM
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UNLESS this money has some basis to grades or classes. Why not have a pro-feeder league instead of this garbage. I would not watch that feeder league but I am sure a lot would.
I prefer to see amateurs competing for the school they attend rather than for themselves. JMHO.
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It's not just college football. These "programs" will cover
Feb 10, 2015, 11:03 AM
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all collegiate sports under new rules written by the NCAA allowing schools to pay for "all" of college.
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Not sure if you've noticed
Feb 10, 2015, 4:00 PM
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NCAA football has been a pro-feeder league for quite a while. The "college" has been gone for a long time. That happened when schools stopped holding athletes to the same admissions standards that the rest of the student body is held to. The payment function just puts some of the money into the hands of those that are actually generating the tens of millions of dollars schools are making off of football programs.
FYI if you really want to see "college" sports. Tune into some exciting Ivy league football. Those Princeton / Yale games really feature a lot of athleticism.
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In my opinion,
Feb 10, 2015, 4:47 PM
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the older we get the more we resist change. It's not just the uncertainties of change but the fact that many times when when an entity is supposed to fix something they screw it up beyond recognition.
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Should read
Feb 10, 2015, 10:59 AM
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Auburn will give afletes money OVER the table now.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 11:03 AM
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All p5 schools will be able to give a stipend to the amount of cost of attendance Clemson's is around 3600, but I doubt the cost of attendance is 6000 a year in one or the country's poorest states
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 11:03 AM
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All p5 schools will be able to give a stipend to the amount of cost of attendance Clemson's is around 3600, but I doubt the cost of attendance is 6000 a year in one or the country's poorest states
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What is "cost of attendance" and how is it $3600
Feb 10, 2015, 12:20 PM
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for Clemson?
My kids go to En See State. They have a formula for "cost of attendance" that's used for grants scholarships, loans etc. The cost of attendance for them is about $23,000 a year which includes $6000 a year tuition plus books housing etc.
2014 Fall Term
Category Description Amount
Books 538.00
Fees 1,129.00
Housing 5,015.00
Loan Fees 32.00
Personal 1,345.00
Transportation 399.00
Tuition 3,019.00
Term Total 11,477.00
2015 Spring Term
Category Description Amount
Books 538.00
Fees 1,129.00
Housing 5,015.00
Loan Fees 32.00
Personal 1,345.00
Transportation 399.00
Tuition 3,019.00
Term Total 11,477.00
Total Cost of Attendance 22,954.00
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In that list, I would think "cost of attendance" is
Feb 10, 2015, 12:37 PM
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Personal and Transportation. Everything would already be covered via scholarship for an athlete.
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Well then $6000 a year should not be an issue.
Feb 10, 2015, 3:04 PM
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They are not just getting a scholarship they are working a full-time job for the betterment of the University.
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I honestly have no clue how much they get, but my guess
Feb 10, 2015, 3:14 PM
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is that it is not enough compared to the time they put into Clemson representing us and making millions of dollars for our great University.
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Re: I honestly have no clue how much they get, but my guess
Feb 10, 2015, 8:04 PM
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I disagree but I'm not getting into it. Because My blood boils everytime I hear that crap
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Can't wait when it hits 6 figures.
Feb 10, 2015, 11:03 AM
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Kids will stay in school all the way until they graduate.
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No bid deal. The $800K raise Richt just got would cover it.
Feb 10, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Give a little less to the coaches and a little more to the players. It is not the end of the world.
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"For the love of money is a root of all kinds evil."
Feb 10, 2015, 11:10 AM
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Money is not necessarily the root of all evil. It is the lust and love of money.
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I like money, it helps pay bills.***
Feb 10, 2015, 12:09 PM
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Why is this a bad thing and why are people under the impression that this will lead to the end of college football as we know it? This is a mega-bucks industry. The TV contract alone will give each ACC school $17.1 million per year for the next decade (and it's very possible that money will be re-negotiated). Even if schools were to give a $10,000 stipend per year to the 85 scholarship athletes, that's a total of 5% of the TV money alone which would be going to the guys who, ya know, are the main reason we go to football games.
It's really not that big of a deal. There is no need for the "B-League" teams that some people seem to be nervous about. College football is gigantic, well-established, and is finally evolving (Playoffs, stipends). This will be fine. You'd think that people would be more upset about the illegal payments which have been going on for DECADES rather than the concept of legally paying them.
With legal stipends, there's a good chance we'd have both Montravius Adams and Carl Lawson on our team since the Auburn bag man would have less power.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 11:53 AM
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the bag man will still have power. he can still make that 6000 bucks turn into 60,000 in order to entice a prospect to his school.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
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He'll still have power, no doubt...but it won't be as pronounced.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:47 PM
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Haha yeah, if anything, this will allow the bag men MORE freedom/room to operate, since all LEGAL monies will easily provide cover for the shady $...now all the $ in kids' pockets will be from their "stipend" ...ONE way to track their spending (not that it would work lol) would be putting it on a pre-paid, and demanding that any/every CASH transactions be proven through receipt.
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To argue that it won't fundamentally change college sports
Feb 10, 2015, 11:56 AM
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seems a bit silly to me. "Amateurism" is a fundamental component of student-athletics...has been for decades.
To say that is no big deal or that it won't ruin college sports for you is a matter of opinion. For me, I am pretty sure it will. I am a big believer in Dabo and I can't imagine not rooting for him or his players, but these payment will continue to increase and the bond between the school and the player will diminish...and ultimately, in my opinion, the bond between the player and the fans. Honestly, that's just my opinion, but if that does happen, I have a hard time imagining I will continue to follow college sports. As it is, I'm about done with everything that isn't Clemson football.
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Re: To argue that it won't fundamentally change college sports
Feb 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
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Jeez, what a cryptic view.
I'm not sure why you believe assistance with living expenses will destroy the bond between player and school. There is no doubt that multiple players in every single major program across the country--including Clemson--are receiving illegal payments. However that hasn't diminished the bond between the school and the player in your eyes. How exactly will a stipend ruin this bond?
We're not talking salaries here. We're talking about basic living expenses which may rid the need for taking illegal benefits.
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Cheats paid their players. This will not stop at $6,000.
Feb 10, 2015, 4:17 PM
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There's no reason to argue. We just disagree. I won't enjoy watching it anymore but you will. Yea...better seats for you.
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Re: Cheats paid their players. This will not stop at $6,000.
Feb 11, 2015, 7:52 AM
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Every program has players receiving illegal benefits. It's not necessarily coming from the coaches. In fact, I'd wager 90% of the time the coaches have no direct knowledge of who's receiving money or from where. But the fact is they're receiving illegal benefits.
This hasn't even happened yet, but you've already declared the sport dead. Why not just cautiously wait and see where this goes?
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partly agree. i agree in your opin that the $ doesn't come
Feb 11, 2015, 8:00 AM
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from the coaches, but i disagree in that they don't know which kids ( or at least most of them ) are on the rec'ving end of these "handshakes" from over-zealous boosters.
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Re: partly agree. i agree in your opin that the $ doesn't come
Feb 11, 2015, 8:06 AM
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Agreed. That's what I meant by them not having "direct knowledge". I'm sure all of them have a good idea of who's on the take, but they aren't going to approach the player and ask them what's going on.
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Re: partly agree. i agree in your opin that the $ doesn't come
Feb 11, 2015, 8:07 AM
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**Not going to approach the player as long as the player/booster isn't doing anything obvious
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that i whole-heartedly agree with .as long as it isn't too
Feb 11, 2015, 8:11 AM
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egregious (ala shapiro,although that went on for years) the coaches just let it ride.
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Re: that i whole-heartedly agree with .as long as it isn't too
Feb 11, 2015, 8:17 AM
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For sure. Unfortunately it's just a cost of doing business.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:04 PM
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In what way would illegal money being given to prospect athletes minimize due to this? It would stop it at all.
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one could make the point...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:09 PM
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that a little walking around money might mean that kids aren't in a desperate position where they do something stupid for a little pizza money. Some of these kids are just very poor. There was a story about a UGA player that used his per diem from the Belk Bowl to buy his mother a Christmas present for the first time in a few years.
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Re: one could make the point...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:22 PM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. Usually, a booster would hook up a player with a few hundred bucks. Now it'll come from the school.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:11 PM
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It certainly won't reduce the illegal payments to zero. That's always going to exist. However I believe that some people take the payments because they're in desperate situations at home. By allowing schools to give players living expenses + maybe something to send home to the family, it could reduce the amount of players who go to a school strictly due to receiving illegal payments.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:10 PM
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It wouldn't just be 85 scholly in Fb it would have to be to ALL people who receive an athletic scholly in all sports men and women
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:21 PM
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I don't believe it would. From what I understood from last year's ruling with Northwestern allowed football to lose it's "amateur" title, which would then remove it from the rule requiring it to pay all student-athletes.
It's a complicated situation, but I believe the TV contracts exclusively for football would play a big role in this separation.
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nobody knows
Feb 10, 2015, 7:29 PM
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There has not been a ruling on how Title IX plays into it, if at all. Thus far most schools are providing the same amount to, relative to their scholarship percentage, to all athletes.
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Agreed. Just a typical Chicken Little over reaction to
Feb 10, 2015, 1:36 PM
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change.
The coaches at Clemson and Georgia get huge raises that would more than cover the costs of the stipend for that college's athletes and nobody says a word other than "good job. they deserve it." Give a college athlete a $6,000 stipend per year and the sky is falling.
Much ado about nothing.
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Re: Agreed. Just a typical Chicken Little over reaction to
Feb 10, 2015, 1:40 PM
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Yup. It's overreaction at its finest.
Remember when people said the BCS was going to ruin the big bowl games (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar) since it would break the traditional conference connections?
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It may prove to be an overreaction
Feb 10, 2015, 2:09 PM
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But I do think there is merit in seeing this as a fundamental change in college athletics. Ultimately my guess is it will not be a big deal because caps will be put on this and bidding wars won't ensue. But if that does not happen then schools who are willing to spend the most (and those who have the highest endowment, AD budgets, and alumni fanbase giving) will have a large upperhand in enticing players to their school through direct monetary giving.
Again, I doubt that happens, but this movement does potentially begin to open that door.
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The door was opened when college athletes started getting
Feb 10, 2015, 2:40 PM
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scholarships. This is just a logical progression. It will be a set amount.
Isn't there currently a big difference in the cost of attending different universities such that a scholarship to Notre Dame, for instance, is much more valuable monetarily than a Clemson scholarship? Has that been a big problem?
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As long as there is a cap, then I see little real problem
Feb 10, 2015, 3:12 PM
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Though you do make a point on variable values of degrees. Interesting point.
And to be fair it is also an interesting point to pint out cost of living and this buying power of the set-value stipend would vary from locale to locale.
Though, I do think the introduction of scholarships did drastically change the landscape of college athletics.
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Re: It may prove to be an overreaction
Feb 10, 2015, 3:39 PM
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Yea, every part of my argument relies on the assumption that the amount will be capped.
If there are no caps, then yes, everything will go crazy.
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get it right
Feb 10, 2015, 11:25 AM
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money is not the root of all evil
the love of money is the root of all evil
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point well taken...
Feb 10, 2015, 12:05 PM
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I'm getting a little old and rusty. Timothy right?
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It's the second most misquoted verse.
Feb 10, 2015, 1:24 PM
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The first is 'the truth will set you free.'
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No problem, just raise ticket prices accordingly
Feb 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
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and raise IPTAY fees to cover the raises that the coaches deserve. We got this covered!
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I couldn't agree more....
Feb 10, 2015, 12:29 PM
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This is awful. Money truly is the root of all evil, and now it has infiltrated college football. These kids will no longer be "student" athletes, they are employees. #### shame
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could you quote the scripture that says money is the root of
Feb 10, 2015, 12:33 PM
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all evil please?
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He was quoting an Obama rally
Feb 10, 2015, 12:34 PM
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scripture says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil I believe.
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He didn't have to.
Feb 10, 2015, 4:39 PM
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I think most folks know that saying has validity only because it's cut from scripture.
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So can Auburn fans Boo now when a paid player drops pass?
Feb 10, 2015, 1:38 PM
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or fumbles, or misses block, or flagged for holding.
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Re: Auburn going to give athletes stipend...
Feb 10, 2015, 1:59 PM
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If we're going to pay them, can we ensure that they at least can pass the ACT or SAT without assistance? Can they be put on the same level as all OTHER applicants and actually have to meet those other requirements to get into school?
Those are rhetorical questions - 'cause it can't happen or just plain won't happen. Having TWO different requirements is wrong IMO - but it will never change. I could get on a soap box about it, but it would be fruitless.
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I still haven't figured out how....
Feb 10, 2015, 2:44 PM
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giving student athletes a free college education (when I paid about $60K for my daughters CU education) is not enough compensation.
Ridiculous to pay them outside of that.
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I tend to agree with you...it's not just the money, it's the
Feb 10, 2015, 4:05 PM
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OPPORTUNITY. Many of these guys couldn't even get into the college of their choice without sports.
Free room, board, specialized training, specialized diets, and this golden opportunity at an education...seems like that should be enough.
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That touches on my issue.
Feb 10, 2015, 4:22 PM
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I'll (hopefully) be sending my kids to Clemson, too. So I'll be paying IPTAY to pay athletes who go to school for free, yet I'll be having to pay for my kids to attend.
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The education may or may not be enough.
Feb 10, 2015, 4:37 PM
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I remember seeing some of Clemson's athletes on campus during the 1980s. The big guys always wore sweats to class. I can't say they didn't have money to buy other clothes but have you ever priced a pair of size 17 casual dress shoes or a shirt with a 22 in neck or 42 inch sleeve length?
I wondered if these guys wore sneakers and sweats when they had a date. I wondered what they'd drive to pick the girls up or if they could spring for more than a cheeseburger.
I think it must have been back then when I decided if they couldn't work a job, had to spend all their time on studies and workouts or were in film rooms perhaps giving them a little might not be such a bad thing.
The issue of how much money they generate for the schools shouldn't come into this discussion. Schools are apt to turn profits back to investments which provide better facilities and coaching. The kids benefit greatly from these enhancements.
Nah, I'm ok with giving the guys 115 bucks each per week.
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That's funny. I have a family friend that was an athlete
Feb 10, 2015, 4:58 PM
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at Clemson several years ago. One summer he needed someone to hold onto his stuff since he was moving into a new place that fall...all he had was sweats, t-shirts, and athletic shoes.
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Re: That's funny. I have a family friend that was an athlete
Feb 10, 2015, 10:08 PM
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and he got all of that for free. Listen I understand that most of the players do not have family to provide them spending money but what makes that different than the student in the same situation. Yes they can work a part time job but they are also collecting 10s of thousands of dollars of debt that players will never see. If you want them to have spending money then allow them to borrow the money and pay it back like every other student. Everything that a athlete needs is provided to them. If they "want" something then it is up to them to take on the responsibility to get it.
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Re: That's funny. I have a family friend that was an athlete
Feb 11, 2015, 7:57 AM
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That's a simplistic view though. How are they supposed to get a part-time job if they've got class, practice for 25 hours a week, then potentially travel from Thursday or Friday until Sunday?
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If we're giving stipends why not make it on performance
Feb 11, 2015, 6:59 AM
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Say your on scholarship for signing . If you make first team you get full stipend. If log significant playing time you get next wave. If your a Spencer Region then you just get the normal scholarship without stipend.
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D@mn it. It's ridiculous
Feb 11, 2015, 8:05 AM
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the football players live a life of luxury while on campus and they are truly the last athletes that need money to help with school. So many other more deserving STUDENT athletes that deserve the luxuries given to football players across all schools down to East West State Community Technical College.
I'm not saying players are handed degrees but you would be foolish to think they go through college and get a degree the same way a normal student would. They are set up to succeed and exceed in the classrooms and even after college and as much as I love watching college football it seriously angers me to think that someone with some athletic ability, who more than likely had a doctored high school transcript and otherwise couldn't academically qualify for the lowest of tech schools, is handed everything in college from room and board to tutoring to the highest degree. Yea some of them have cinderella stories, rags for clothes to the first in the family even see a college and thats all fine to give them all the financial aid in the world so long as they deserve it. But a lot of the student athletes in this country don't deserve all this extra love in my mind. They're college students first, if they want money then leave early for the draft but dont make my tuition go up so that the football players can afford the LTZ tahoe over the LT. It's absolutely ridiculous
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good post...
Feb 12, 2015, 9:38 AM
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well done
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Orange Blooded [3454]
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Actually, the Good Book says it's the love of money
Feb 11, 2015, 8:50 AM
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that is the root of all evii; not money itself. Big difference. But I agree with you - this is the beginning of the end.
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