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Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Dabo said that DJ is "a LONG WAY AWAY FROM the reason we lost." If he wants to argue that it's not solely due to DJ, that's fine (although irrelevant to the ACTUAL criticism). But to argue that QB play is not even CLOSE to a primary culprit is simply a lie. A **lie.** I"m not sure if he's protecting his ego, or DJ, or Streeter, or some combo, or something else, but he's not telling the truth when making such and assessment. He's throwing up a smoke screen.
He could graciously tell the media that he disagrees with the critic's assessment that DJ was the primary reason, but he cannot honestly argue that the QB play was "A LONG WAY AWAY" from the reason. He's overstating his case, to put it diplomatically. Lying to put it bluntly. In any event, this is starting to get beyond frustrating. It's dishonest, manipulative, and dishonorable. It's an insult to everyone listening.
He's continuing to dig a hole, and it's getting ugly. There's no shame in circling the wagons and reassessing and such . . . we're 10-2 for goodness sake - it's not a bad season by any stretch. But there have been some terrible and VERY unnecessary aspects to it that screamed stubbornness, predictability, and underachievement, and to look into the camera and refuse to acknowledge that on any level (remember: "a LONG WAY AWAY") is insulting. He's being insufferable.
He's the architect of this ride Clemson has been on for the last decade or so. And I'm not advocating firing him. But if he's going act like this, he deserves all the skewering he's gonna get, good and hard.
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Thanks. I'm going to ride with the Hot Chick that brung me.***
Nov 27, 2022, 7:15 PM
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:17 PM
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Probably with lying is it only leads to more lies when you try to cover up your tracks……and the truth always comes to the top in the end anyway!
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You either didn't read . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:17 PM
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or are purposely ignoring the part in which I said I wasn't arguing for him being fired. But again, if he's gonna lie to us all like this, he deserves all the skewering and mockery he gets. Every. Single. Last. Drop.
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Re: You either didn't read . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:21 PM
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You may need to step away from Clemson Football for a while. You are much too butt hurt right now.
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Orange Blooded [2750]
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No, you're just a lot less insightful . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:33 PM
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and observant than you imagine. If you were to look at my comment history I'm pretty tame, and don't comment that much on the whole anyway. But in all things, culture, religion, politics, and this too, I'm more blunt and less tolerant than the conventional wisdom folk are about manipulative garbage.
I've clarified that I don't even want Dabo fired - that our season has been a good one, and that there would be no shame in circling the wagons w/ candor. Does all that sound so radical and hyper-butt-hurt? No it doesn't. You've conflated my bluntness and intolerance over some really unacceptable rhetoric by Dabo and now Streeter, for being too butt-hurt overly caught up. No, I've always been fine about taking the bad with the good in the actual enjoyment of the game itself. But that doesn't necessitate sugar-coating the truth of what we're seeing. It's both/and, not either or.
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Re: No, you're just a lot less insightful . . .
Nov 28, 2022, 6:18 PM
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I think you’re probably a drunk who lost money on the game.
You sound like someone who drinks a lot and is then inspired to post. When you do, this comes out.
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Orange Blooded [2750]
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Now you're showing your cards . . .
Nov 28, 2022, 8:54 PM
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ad hominems, especially unsubstantiated ones, are the hallmark of those w/o an argument.
I drink very little, have never been drunk in my life, and never gamble. It just so happens that I'm among those who's not willing to lie about the current landscape on this situation . . . to the chagrin of many.
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Re: You either didn't read . . .
Dec 1, 2022, 4:18 PM
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Because our wallets are 10 million dollars lighter paying him
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I was responding to your lame post . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:36 PM
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and my browser was locking up and things got squirrely and I must have clicked in the wrong place. It happens, so calm your wasted swashbuckling breath.
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Nice argument ***
Nov 27, 2022, 7:39 PM
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I read the part where you said he lied.
Nov 27, 2022, 7:29 PM
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What reasonable person wants a liar to head his program?
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I knew that was coming from someone . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:42 PM
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but it's a pedantic objection. It's basically objecting to something I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's, say, a serial liar or chronically deceptive guy, especially at deep levels. Quite the opposite, in Dabo's case. Quite the opposite. There is no human who is perfectly candid and never drops down into manipulative rhetoric and playing games. If we fired everyone who ever did that on any level, who could stand and retain their position in anything? No one.
That said, it's not acceptable and deserves to be called out. This is not that complicated.
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Oculus Spirit [93612]
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Talk about a spin doctor:
Nov 27, 2022, 8:06 PM
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"...Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . ." You even said you regretted it in the same sentence.
How can you rationalize that away. You didn't suggest he was being less than candid, had you I'd have not responded.
'Dabo is being less than candid.' There's a whole lot of room between that and "Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . ."
I state a truth and you deny it as true but anyone who understands how bad a lie damages one's character and morality knows that denying the truth is not a place any good person wants to be..
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False
Nov 27, 2022, 8:20 PM
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There's no spin doctor in going on at all. I explained the obvious nuance between somebody being a serial liar in all that they do, i.e. constantly operating that way on every level (which Dabo is definitely not), in a way that defines their character and their work ... versus getting caught in the mire of self-justification and then being dishonest at that juncture when trying to deal with it. That's not a hard concept to understand and it doesn't take any spin doctrine to establish it or understand it. We see this from otherwise good people all the time. It's human. You're creating this false dichotomy that I never intended to set up between a simple "bad actor" deceiver on the one hand, whose very character is so characterized, with no nuance to that, and, on the other hand, a "good actor" with no nuance on the other.
In the real world, good people get caught up in their own self-justification spirals all the time. That doesn't mean they are generally bad character, but obviously when they do that at that moment, it's bad. This is not unclear.
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Oculus Spirit [93612]
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Thank you for reminding me why never to get married again.***
Nov 28, 2022, 10:08 PM
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If you're an awful person . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 11:26 AM
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that's nothing you needed me to remind you of.
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Re: I read the part where you said he lied.
Dec 13, 2022, 8:53 AM
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How would you have a program without a coach? If you have a coach, you have a liar, sorry.
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Re: You either didn't read . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Why? He's just trying to protect and help DJ. What good does it do to keep beating a dead horse?
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Clearly you have never heard him talk about
Nov 27, 2022, 7:25 PM
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The OL “being the best ever” or similar. The injury of so and so being “no big deal, he’s fine”. He perfecting the art of gaslighting and hyperbole . Look, he had a fantastic unprecedented ride here. Talks about history now, but gets paid into the future as if “elite” which, BTW, we were boat raced 2 of the last 3 times against elite comp.
Said he would quit coaching if NIL came to pass,
Etc etc.
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Re: Clearly you have never heard him talk about
Nov 27, 2022, 7:58 PM
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The OL “being the best ever” or similar. The injury of so and so being “no big deal, he’s fine”. He perfecting the art of gaslighting and hyperbole . Look, he had a fantastic unprecedented ride here. Talks about history now, but gets paid into the future as if “elite” which, BTW, we were boat raced 2 of the last 3 times against elite comp.
Said he would quit coaching if NIL came to pass,
Etc etc.
Yes, 100%. And the OP simply called these statements "lies". You can be polite and call it gaslighting, or little white lies, or mistruths, or whatever you wish.
I will paraphrase a comment he made some time ago regarding Joe Gore back in 14 or 15. Joe (who I am sure is a high character person giving it his best effort - this is no refection on Joe Gore) was struggling at right tackle. When asked by the media about his struggles Dabo went on a tirade. Showed his rear end. Said that Joe was doing a tremendous job and was in fact as good as any lineman on the team. After another game or two of struggles Joe was benched in favor of Kalon Davis.
I told my best buddy whose seats I sat in at that game that Dabo was a liar. That he had knowingly mislead the writer and the public by making statements about a player that he knew were not true. He took offense to that, words were exchanged and we dropped the subject knowing we would never reach agreement on this point. Do you call that gaslighting? OK, if so, go right ahead. Webster's dictionary defines that statement as a lie.
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Re: Clearly you have never heard him talk about
Dec 12, 2022, 11:51 AM
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TD'd for use of "gaslighting"
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Re: Clearly you have never heard him talk about
Nov 27, 2022, 8:48 PM
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Quote: “Said he would quit coaching if NIL came to passel
He never said that. He said he would quit if we ever started paying players. It’s not the same thing, but maybe you don’t understand the difference.
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Sorry - NIL is paying players.
Nov 28, 2022, 6:58 PM
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Name Image Likeness is just the nuance - Just like some Bill Clinton “matters what the meaning of “is” is” shaytt.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:26 PM
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its gaslighting
he is telling every fan that they are not seeing what they see.
Dabo once said "you are what you put on film"
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:45 PM
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EXACTLY. Clemson puts CRAP on film. Yes, WE ARE CRAP.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:50 PM
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I'll take what you are calling crap this year. No one is undefeated forever. If my team's down years are 10 wins and a chance at a conference title. Sign me up
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Dec 1, 2022, 4:22 PM
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We would be 12 and 0 if we played High school teams too Barely beating inferior programs (we struggled against Furman) doesnt make us a good team Without major changes we will e 7 and 6 in the laughing stock the ACC has become next year
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One flag four to go.***
Nov 27, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Nice argument***
Nov 27, 2022, 7:43 PM
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He's always done this. Most coaches do.***
Nov 27, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Most coaches and politicians spin ... Absolutely***
Nov 27, 2022, 9:01 PM
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 7:55 PM
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Just saying. Ken Hatfield resigned because he was about to get fired after a year we went 9 wins - 3 losses and went to the Peach Bowl and won.
There was another time in Clemson history when fans and the administration were ticked off at head coaches for going 9 - 3 or even 10- 2. Clemson was expected to win the Conference every year and go to a New Years day bowl. Anything less was a bad season. A 10 - 2 season was barely tolerable. A 9 - 3 season was considered horrendous. Of course we got Tommy West after Hatfield left and the mediocre and less than mediocre seasons became the norm. We were begging for 9- 3 seasons for many years to come. Even under Tommy Bowdens tutelage we had years we didn't get 9 wins.
But yes we are in a state of decline for the last 2 years. I think the fans just want the truth. We're tired of all the lawyer talk. Stop denying the obvious. It's obvious to every defensive coordinator in college football how to stop or Clemsons offense. It is to pressure DJ. Make him beat you with the pass and you have a chance because he chokes or whatever name you want to call it. And when DJ plays bad or average, the entire offens gets the contagious infection and starts playing bad or average. And the opposing team on offense must use the pass to set up the run. (Except Notre Dame) Now fortunately only a few team's each year on our schedule have the coaches and personnel to carry out this plan to get a win. But many have the coaches and personnel and players to hang with us since DJ has taken the reigns. In years past only one team or no teams per year could use this game plan and beat us. Now it's practically every weekend.
Dabo better put this 2 year experiment to rest now before it gets more out of hand than it already is.
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I think that misunderstands the issue . . .
Nov 27, 2022, 8:27 PM
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10-2 w/ a shot at an ACC championship is a really great season, no matter what disappointments it contains. But when reasonable criticism is run out of town with chastising denials, that's not acceptable.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Dec 1, 2022, 4:24 PM
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Absolutely That is the Gospel truth Always been a Dabo fan but the arrogance and gaslighting have made me think he is set in his way and the game has passed him by
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 9:04 PM
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mrmatt, I am so glad you are here to save the day and 'set straight' probably one of the greatest football coaches of all time. The coach who took Clemosn from mediocrity to national championships. Dude, stay in your lane.
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Lol! What you need ...
Nov 27, 2022, 9:15 PM
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is to not flatter yourself by thinking that empty snark in defense of convention wisdom carries any weight.
His accomplishments here were acknowledged, but the truth stands on the merits, not his laurels. So unless you're going to explicitly say that he can't be seriously wrong on something, then no dice.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Dec 1, 2022, 4:28 PM
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you mean Danny Ford? Dabo is driving us right back down that hill with his arrogance and we dont appreciate him gaslighting the very people that pay his salary (No Iptay check this year) We pay him top dollar for results not to act like a 2nd grader with his hand caught in the cookie jar when we (again his bosses) question his lack of results (and candor for that matter)
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 10:12 PM
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I'm sure that Dabo would be upset that you consider him a liar. He's going to have trouble sleeping tonight. What are your accomplishments other than being used to wash the vaginal canal?
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I'm really upset that you
Nov 27, 2022, 10:23 PM
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destroyed my point by not addressing it -oh wait!
I acknowledge it was a harsh criticism, but a criticism nonetheless.
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I'm pretty sure calling him a liar goes beyond "criticism"
Nov 28, 2022, 5:08 PM
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Nope ...
Nov 28, 2022, 5:55 PM
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you're confusing harsh criticism with ad hominem attacks. But the issue here is precisely whether or not his statements comport with reality and if not, does he know it. Just because the critical is hard and da(m)ing doesn't mean it's not criticism.
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I'm not confused about anything.
Nov 28, 2022, 6:01 PM
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I'm sorry you didn't understand the short sentence I previously typed.
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Yes you are ...
Nov 28, 2022, 6:08 PM
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You seem to think that because my criticism went beyond some certain "magic line," it categorically became some fundamentally different thing. People call others out for lying all the time and use softer language- "gaslighting," "manipulation," even "bull**itting," w/o out a moralistic peep from anyone- but then they use that magic word "lie," and people flip out. It may be harsh criticism,- I fully acknowledge that, but it is a criticism and irrelevant criticism- not an ad hominem, nonetheless.
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correction" "A relevant criticism," (not "irrelevant ")***
Nov 28, 2022, 6:13 PM
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You are and I've explained how****
Nov 28, 2022, 6:14 PM
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You're just not as good at mind reading as you fancy
Nov 28, 2022, 6:17 PM
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yourself to be.
Explain it to me harder.
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I'm not a mind reader,
Nov 28, 2022, 6:20 PM
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But I can read words. Are exchange shows that you don't understand the distinction involved here. If you do understand it and are still maintaining your position, that you're attempting to maintain a contradiction.
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Re: I'm not a mind reader,
Nov 28, 2022, 6:21 PM
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But the issue here is precisely whether or not his statements comport with reality and if not, does he know it.
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Exactly...
Nov 28, 2022, 6:27 PM
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Yes I got the issue entirely. You're right it's about whether or not it's accurate, AND whether or not he knows it. But "the issue" that I was criticizing him over is exactly that- not simply The issue about DJ- but about Dabo's communication of his position. I think there's enough evidence that he knows and is simply being stubborn in order to cover himself. You can disagree with my assessment but the issue of my thread is **about** his honesty -- That's what the criticism was about. And like you said whether or not he knows about it is a relevant issue.
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You may not have noticed,
Nov 28, 2022, 6:51 PM
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but those were your words I typed.
Or are we out there in the ignored and forgotten ether yet?
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I haven't forgotten anything . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 11:21 AM
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I meant them then and now. The issue is not that Dabo was lying about what he thought was best (that's simply a disagreement in judgment - that's different). The problem is that he's falsely characterizing his critics in order to avoid having to meaningfully answer on the substance.
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right, that there's evidence of exactly what I'm saying
Dec 12, 2022, 11:19 AM
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he knows of the facts on the ground concerning DJ, and yet every time they get mentioned, they get deflected from. Also, in his self-defenses, he implies (necessarily) that folks are simply irked b/c we didn't make the playoff, aren't satisfied w/ 10 wins, don't remember the mediocre years, etc. These are all distractions and lies about what the critics are actually saying. He knows this.
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Oculus Spirit [81977]
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I hope you're not lying about that.
Nov 28, 2022, 6:26 PM
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I wasn't lying . ..
Nov 28, 2022, 6:28 PM
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But can you finally chimed in with a relevant comment before I left.
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Oculus Spirit [81977]
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You're still replying.
Nov 28, 2022, 6:45 PM
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Who's the liar now?
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Orange Blooded [2750]
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Not me,
Nov 28, 2022, 7:01 PM
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you apparently can't read, namely, that I (a) told you I wasn't gonna reply anymore **BECAUSE** I was sure that you were going to respond with more irrelevant garbage; but (b) that THEN (when circumstances changed)- you FINALLY posted a relevant point (meaning the circumstances that originally caused me to say I wasn't going to respond, actually **changed**), and that I saw it right after posting, before leaving. So, lucky you, you answered just in time. It made me think that you were going to turn over a new leaf and actually start discussing the substance of this. But it turns out I was wrong on that after all.
Also, you tried to make this lame gotcha bit even though you already knew this explanation from my prior post, further showing me that you aren't a good judge of this "lying" issue from my original post. Now that you've gone back to lying BS and jack-arsery. I won't read anymore of your posts. Take pleasure in knowing you had to endure being verbally punched in the face w/ no chance of a retort - you prevaricating, juvenile, vapid-minded punk - since I won't see it. Oh, and don't bother T-mailing me. I never read my email. Ever. But you already probably know that ... don't you?? (Ha-ha!)
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Oculus Spirit [81977]
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Check your tmale
Nov 28, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Re: Check your tmale
Dec 1, 2022, 4:34 PM
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Thank you! I was tired of reading both your posts! Still, Matt seemed to be standing up for himself pretty well. I admired that.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 27, 2022, 10:18 PM
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More donors need to make their contributions contingent on beating USC. If we lose to them, the season is a failure no matter what.
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You should remove this entire thread
Nov 27, 2022, 11:07 PM
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Y’all’s little bit.ch.fest is an embarrassment. Though the effort put forth is proof that when trolling you often get so caught up you end up trolling yourself. Pouring your heart out over nothing. Filling servers with drivel.
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It’s not a lie, it’s a half truth…
Nov 28, 2022, 6:14 PM
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There is a difference. Poor QB play isn’t the only reason. Our preordained “best defense in the country” and the “boy wonder” DC giving up 31 points to a team that could only score 6 against Florida is a big reason. Our kick and punt returners tossing them the ball twice is another. And our punter averaging a little over 20 yards a punt is yet another.
Don’t get me wrong DJ stunk up the field when he was on it. But football is a team sport and this time the Tigers proved it because all phases of the game sucked.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 28, 2022, 7:38 PM
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Tell me, which play cost us the game where DJ was involved?
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That's a dumb question . . .
Dec 1, 2022, 2:39 PM
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you're not processing what I said, or what the critics generally have said, if you think we believe it was eitehr (1) reduceable to "one" ("which?") play; or (b) to DJ alone. Part of the huge lie about all this is that the critics all think it's just on DJ. That's garbage. They don't. There's more than enough room for all sorts of positions/units (defense, too) to be cited. But somehow, when the most important position on the field that touches the ball on every play is cited, everyone flips out and accuses their interlocutor of being blind to all else.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 28, 2022, 9:08 PM
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I advocate firing you from this website.
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I advocate you . . .
Dec 1, 2022, 2:37 PM
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pounding sand.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 28, 2022, 9:56 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IIKE9p5SEw Gloom, despair and agony on me! Game is over. I will be in Charlotte and pulling for my tigers just like I do every Saturday. Go TIGERS!!
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 28, 2022, 10:12 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IIKE9p5SEw Gloom, despair and agony on me! Game is over. I will be in Charlotte and pulling for my tigers just like I do every Saturday. Go TIGERS!!
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Nov 28, 2022, 10:15 PM
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Get a life MrMatt. You aren't in the middle of a war. We lost a football game to our rival for the first time in 8 years. We are playing for a conference championship. We can end up 12-2 and a top ten finish. Keep things in perspective. As far as calling someone a liar only do that if you are willing to state your real name and not hide behind a keyboard.
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Gimmie a break. .
Dec 1, 2022, 2:36 PM
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you don't know what you're talking about. I happen to be more direct and blunt than most people, but put aside the lame stab at pscyho-analysis. The other day Dabo gathered all the secretaries and coffee runners - all sorts of folk not responsible for field performance, to enforce his dogma . . . and yet, no one's allowed to criticize him bluntly for that kind of theater w/o enduring self-righteous chastisings like yours. The problem isn't that folks disagree on football matters. . . that's fine in both directions. But his insistence on being shifting around to dodge everyone's criticisms whilst telling them how "clueless" they are is dishonest.
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So you have an opinion. Dabo has an opinion.
Dec 12, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Your opinion is different than Dabo's, so you call him a liar?
Eh, I'll take the $10mm per year professional with a track record of results that is HOF worthy as opposed to the anonymous innernet poster.
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Uh, no
Dec 12, 2022, 11:47 AM
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that is a crap analysis. Learn to read. I didn't call him a liar b/c he has a different opinion.
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Re: Uh, no
Dec 12, 2022, 11:51 AM
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you called him a liar because you don't understand the definition of the word liar. HTH
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False . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 11:59 AM
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I think many people are letting the critiques blow by them and coming down w/ the impression that the dishonesty criticism is about the DJ/Cade assessment itself. That may be the case with some critics, but it's certainly not with me, and I don't take it as the case with the bulk of critics either.
No, the criticism of dishonesty isn't about the decision of whether DJ or Cade was better suited to put give Clemson the better chance to win. That is a judgment call that plenty may disagree with Dabo about (until he made CK the starter), but a judgment call all the same. The dishonesty part was about how he handled the criticisms and questions. He portrayed them as something they were not - coming from a place of being unsatisfied with 10 wins or forgetting about mediocre years, and he often threw in deflections from legtimate questions about DJ - ("he doesn't play safety, return kicks, was a "long way away from why we lost"). By so doing he wasn't honest in characterizing his critics, nor of acknowledging the truth of their factual observations (implying that they were marginal or untrue) that fueled entirely legitimate questions about DJ. This itself doesn't necessitate that his decision was wrong and their critiques were right - that conclusion is on the merits themselves. But it does say something about how he handled it.
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Re: False . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 12:40 PM
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Dude you're taking life way to serious if what a football coach says or doesn't say about your "supposed" favorite football team gets you to this point. First off you can criticize Dabo all you want there is nothing wrong with that, but your need to come to a Clemson message board and post said criticism then fervently defend your critiques yet not only defend them actively seek a rebuttal to the point you need to dissect every comment that you believe doesn't answer your own criticism is frankly concerning. I'll be watching the news for you. Make sure you leave the manifesto where the authorities can find it easily. Dabo is getting paid to run this program. He believes what he is doing is what is best for this team. If that means defending his players to the end that is what he is going to do. Dabo probably believes everything he says when he says it and if it turns out to not happen that way or not be true it doesn't matter bc that is what he believed in the moment which doesn't make him wrong or dishonest but a product of that moment's circumstances. Dabo doesn't owe you anything. Buying a shirt, going to a game or heck even being a member of IPTAY doesn't make you his boss like another poster stated. It just makes you a fan, a replaceable fan. I suggest if this upsets you to the point your willing to go weeks deep into your post you seriously need to consider not watching college football. I don't know if your religious or not but overindulgence isn't just about eating or drinking. Seriously if you are to this point the problem isn't Dabo, it's the man in the mirror. Save your reply bc I seriously doubt I'll find it again way back here.
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If you're not going to read well, then put a sock in it -
Dec 12, 2022, 1:17 PM
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You talk about me taking it too seriously b/c I'm too detailed and/or persistent for your liking, then you ramble in a way that indicates you aren't processing what I've even said. You're not tracking - you're just turned off at my style. Oh well.
I and others on here just happened to be a bit less tolerant than the average bear of being given marching orders form the politburo. Just deal with that.
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Hmmm. Can you read? Can you read what you
Dec 12, 2022, 1:03 PM
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wrote? Your opinion of the qb play is different than Dabos, and you call him a liar for expressing his opinion that is different than your opinion.
GTFO with your circular nonsense.
Sounds like you need a new team. I can recommend one in the middle of SC that may suit you just well.
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Orange Blooded [2750]
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False
Dec 12, 2022, 1:20 PM
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You think two things being in the same post means that one is the cause or impetus for the other? And you're asking if I can read?
I've said time and time and time again that while I disagree w/ Dabo's decision to keep starting DJ, it was not that was the basis of my assertation that it was being handled dishonestly. I explained that adequately in the last post, to boot. Superficial associations about them being in the same post b/c they are related in the overall discussion, do not amount to the specific nexus you have read into my comments.
So get the heck out of here with your vapid reasoning skills.
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Your calling something or someone dishonest
Dec 12, 2022, 1:38 PM
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is your opinion. It cannot be substantiated as fact.
This reads like a judge keller post....make some stupid comment, then argue it into oblivion over 100+ replies. You know, argue just to argue.
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We can both play that game
Dec 12, 2022, 1:46 PM
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you can't substantiate **THAT** as fact.
Puh-lease.
Are we talking, like deductive, cartesian certainty, here? Or are we allowed to use normal rules of evidence in discourse?
Everything I've said is well substantiated - about what Dabo and Streeter have said, the context in which they've said it (in responses to questions either pointing to or asking about DJ's play), and in many cases Dabo and Streeter, when pushed, or when in circumstances in which denying it would be untenable, have admitted the bare facts but then either minimized them or deflected from them.
This i further evidenced by the fact that everyone likes to try and make the critics chase them from one shifting standard to another - wanting to hold us to a context-less "in a vacuum" analysis whilst wanting to excuse everything the coaches have ever said in any context as a defense for anything else in any **other** context.
Gimmie a break - if you don't like the persistent defenses of me and others, then quit making incessant a false characterizations about it all. Recognize that the "100+ replies" are preceded by "100+" posts that they were in response to. Typical tactic of those losing an argument. Be **JUST AS PERSISTENT** as they are, then, when things go south, accuse them of being too persistent and relentless . . . while yourself not relenting. Please.
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Good grief, mate.
Dec 12, 2022, 1:56 PM
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You are exhausting. And a judge cooter scok.
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Hmmmm no . . .
Dec 12, 2022, 2:03 PM
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I'm exhausting, but you're not, eh? Please, man! Give that one a rest.
I didn't know what a scok is - still don't know what it stands for, but I've gathered from a few posts lately that it's spoof or double/alternate/shadow account. But no, that's not the case. If it helps, I think Brad Brownell should be fired, and it's overdue. I'm no basketball afficionado, so I don't comment on it as much, but from my very lay-person perspective it appears to me he's not the man for the job. He's been serviceable, but never realized the uptick of quality and consistency Clemson basketball seems capable of given it's history under the likes of Barnes and Purnell.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Dec 12, 2022, 12:46 PM
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Somebody done woke up on the wrong side of the bed and then had someone pee in his cheerios.
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Re: Sorry but now Dabo is simply going out of his way to lie . .
Dec 12, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Let it go man.
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