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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Techno Geeks- what's the catch w/ Windows 10 Free?
Jun 9, 2015, 4:09 PM
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It says no catches. What's the catch? Win8 is awful so I use win7. Help me/ us out those in the know.
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They're willing to give us W10 so we don't change to MacOSX
Jun 9, 2015, 4:12 PM
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Windows 8 was a blunder similar to Millenium Edition and Vista.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Nothing more than a damage control move? MS as a corp
Jun 9, 2015, 4:15 PM
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has not been very ethical and am skeptic. Win7 64 bit now and like it so will I be at risk in any way?
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Neighbors/friends/family think I know computers and walking
Jun 9, 2015, 4:19 PM
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folks like that through win8 is a lost cause. I'm an old-school box user myself
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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it's so personal now. if it makes the magic happen
Jun 9, 2015, 4:21 PM
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that's all that matters.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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I'd get the 1000-yard-stare from the 80 year old neighbor
Jun 9, 2015, 4:23 PM
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uugh
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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haha, i hear that.***
Jun 9, 2015, 4:24 PM
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110%er [5014]
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Here is the catch,,,,
Jun 9, 2015, 4:53 PM
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many existing PCs won't run win 10. It only helps the peeps that were sucked into windows 8. Windows 8 is the worst product since vISTa . Do you know what the best, most stable version of windows is? XP , yep it runs on a reasonable machine and just works . Microsoft is still trying to force millions of users off of XP. In the retail industry Micrisift was forced to create an operating system for windows point of sale systems called WINPOS . They did it after retailers said take a long wAlk on a short pier. All WINPOS is ( XP)
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Q: Will I be able to return to win7 with the current os key?
Jun 9, 2015, 4:57 PM
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If my key still works w/ win7 then I can return to my old setup
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110%er [5121]
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Yes. Assuming you have the original software and
Jun 10, 2015, 3:15 PM
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legal license key. Or if you are inclined, you could make an image of your computer and then reload the image if you want. Also, you may have a system image already on your machine put there by the manufacturer that can be used to start over.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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there's no catch for me, i own 3 machines, the most recent
Jun 9, 2015, 5:07 PM
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is a sexxy 2TB number; she's drop dead gorgeous & makes me O so horny.
i hear where you're coming from though.
unfortunately it's one of the ways the world goes 'round & not always in the most pleasant of ways.
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2TB?
Jun 9, 2015, 5:10 PM
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Does that stand for Tommy or Terry Bowden?
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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more likely their progeny...
Jun 9, 2015, 5:12 PM
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i don't believe we're supposed to name names.
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maybe you could make a list? TIA in advance.***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:13 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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now, now... i just hope there's time in the end to delete
Jun 9, 2015, 5:16 PM
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the pic before i have to stand in front of the pearlies and answer a lot of questions.
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All-In [26322]
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Just "polish Crump's car" like always and you'll be fine.***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:22 PM
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The one that's the most incompetent. Flip a coin?***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:14 PM
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110%er [5121]
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Many/most Win 7 computers will be able to handle Win 10.
Jun 10, 2015, 4:44 PM
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Not just 8. If your computer won't run Win 10, then don't upgrade. You'll get Win 10 the next time you buy a new computer. There's no real reason to upgrade now unless you just want to.
I don't get why you're so negative towards this. I agree about XP (and Win 8), though. I have several computers still running it in my company. They don't connect to the internet in any way, so I don't care about any updates or AV. Win2k wasn't bad either.
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Honestly Win 8.1 has been pretty good for me so far
Jun 9, 2015, 4:36 PM
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Once I could boot into standard desktop and installed a Start Bar replacement that works great, the OS really behaves pretty much exactly like 7, but a bit faster on my machine.
No real complaints there.
And I played around with 10 a bit at the MS store the other day and they've taken some cool cues from Mac OS in navigation and task management. Looks like a pretty cool mix of Win 7 and the 8 touch features.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Much obliged you all. I'll encourage folks to upgrade as
Jun 9, 2015, 4:39 PM
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well and maybe they can use their puters again.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Try telling that to an 80-yr-old client lol***
Jun 9, 2015, 7:15 PM
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Re: They're willing to give us W10 so we don't change to MacOSX
Jun 10, 2015, 4:02 PM
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> Windows 8 was a blunder similar to Millenium Edition
> and Vista.
Changing to MAC os is not a true option for most that need to truly share home and work content.
All the peeps that think Apple has a superior offering should try to use it in a work environment for any area outside of art and advertising business units .
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110%er [5121]
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No "catch"...free upgrade.***
Jun 9, 2015, 4:20 PM
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everyone is talking about 7 and 8.
Jun 9, 2015, 5:12 PM
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Was there a 9 or did they just jump to 10?
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Don't know but you'll take win10 and you'll like it***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:15 PM
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Re: everyone is talking about 7 and 8.
Jun 10, 2015, 3:54 PM
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oops - What he said ^^^
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Re: everyone is talking about 7 and 8.
Jun 10, 2015, 3:53 PM
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Many people ask what happened to Win 9 and we are now on Win 10. Well...stay with me...
Because Windows 9 8 7.
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Re: everyone is talking about 7 and 8.
Jun 11, 2015, 3:15 PM
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They skipped 9 because it would cause issues with some software because of Windows 95/98.
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110%er [6057]
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No catch....I love it BTW.***
Jun 9, 2015, 5:21 PM
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Re: Techno Geeks- what's the catch w/ Windows 10 Free?
Jun 9, 2015, 6:07 PM
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No catch. Microsoft needs to move as many users as they can to Windows 10. Windows 10 supports a new type of application called a Universal Windows Platform app. UWP apps can run on all Windows 10 devices, including desktops, tablets, phones, XBox, Hololens, Surface Hub, and others. Microsoft will get a 30% cut of every Windows 10 app sold through their Windows Store, so they're willing to give up Windows 10 upgrade money to potentially make much more than that from Windows Store revenue.
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Exactly! Hit the nail on the head.
Jun 10, 2015, 10:14 AM
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Also, an added benefit for MS is it's easier to support 10 and do the updates if more users are on that platform; then they will slowly slow the frequency of the update packages to 7 and 8 users over the next couple years.
Then they can phase out support for Windows 7 like they did XP and then only focus on 8, 8.1, and 10 since the kernel is similar on those platforms.
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Re: Exactly! Hit the nail on the head.
Jun 10, 2015, 1:07 PM
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> Also, an added benefit for MS is it's easier to
> support 10 and do the updates if more users are on
> that platform; then they will slowly slow the
> frequency of the update packages to 7 and 8 users
> over the next couple years.
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> Then they can phase out support for Windows 7 like
> they did XP and then only focus on 8, 8.1, and 10
> since the kernel is similar on those platforms.
You may think they phased out XP, but that didn't go so well with the literally millions of windows based Point Of Sale terminals in the world. MS created a WINPOS version that is simply XP.
Here are some challenges for some guys that spend too much time focused on "Bleeding" Edge Technology. BTW I am a geek , that at his point in my career runs a (Hardware and Software Development business that supports about 70 million per year in sales per year). Added that to establish credibility not for braggart reasons. I wish I was back being a "geek" .
1] Many industries need to be able to invest in PCs to perform routine tasks that do not require super powerful processor performance or memory requirements. Point Of Sale terminals is a good example. In a typical 100 store retail chain with 8 POS terminals per store, the cost to replace those 800 terminals, and update the peripherals (printers , scanners, sig caps , and etc in he remote locations with the services and training involved in doing it will cost that retailer about 3 million dollars. Why because Win 7 and now Win 10 will not run on the hardware platform that they have in the field.
2] When they get through spending the 3 million , guess what...they can do the same thing they used to do without spending the 3 million bucks. Technology change for technology change is not a wise business move. Retailers need to get 7-10 years out of a POS investment.
3] Microsoft , tried and Failed to force retailers to abandon XP and move to Win7 etc. Big boys laughed at Microsoft , and said they had to have XP or a supported operating system with the same specs. If not almost everyone that had existing large numbers of POS terminals would have gone to Linux rather than replacing hardware. Microsoft "blinke" and renamed XP WinPOS to retain that customer base.
4] Microsoft is giving you nothing with their free Win10 offer "UNLESS" you need or want a more robust system. The goal is to push out of production all the older hardware and with it the standard PC operating system license method. Everything will soon be subscription. A prime example is Microsoft Office 356....ya never "own" that ya just pay them for ever.
5] I believe strongly in technology investments when they can provide an ROI to the business, but not whenever MS decides it needs more revenue.
If it isn't broken , don't fix it. Invest your technology dollars where it can make the most difference to your bottom line.
Now...for home users ...giddyup ...technology is a toy for the most part spend whatever you need to compete with the "Jones's if that is your thing 
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So you ARE saying there is a risk for the typical home
Jun 10, 2015, 1:20 PM
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user, and my worry is the one you are addressing. So my win7 key will ultimately become a token that is either a current or expired subscription for win10?
I put aside several XP pc's just for that reason back in the day
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Re: So you ARE saying there is a risk for the typical home
Jun 10, 2015, 1:28 PM
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> user, and my worry is the one you are addressing. So
> my win7 key will ultimately become a token that is
> either a current or expired subscription for win10?
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> I put aside several XP pc's just for that reason back
> in the day
I think the risk is pretty small for the home user. As long is you are a person that plans to keep up with the new stuff as it comes out. I think , short of going to Linux, if you want to keep a PC in use for more than 24 months I would bite the bullet and go to linux. I am not sure on Win10 being subscription based model, but that is where MS is headed with everything.
NOTE: I think that there is a very under-served market for leasing PCs with an 18 month subscription , where every 18 months you get a replacement if you wan to move. i.e subscription model for the whole PC with operating system and common tools etc.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Shhhhh. Keep that on the down-low. You are more than
Jun 10, 2015, 1:46 PM
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on to something. There is a large demographic of home pc users who don't give a rat's #### why they can't boot up, print, play majahon(whatever that is) but just want it working. Don't want the explanation of what was broke. Just to work and keep working. They want their recipes emailed or their xmas cards with grandkids to print in gloss. Eyes roll when I say "Remember when I said you have to update your virus definitions?" ... sigh
You are 100 percent right. Combine hardware with software maintenance subscription model and you'd make a fortune. I goofed around with spiceworks and could see some potential. Is that anything worthwhile? Sorry for picking your brain but this is something that interests me
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Providing great info- thnx!***
Jun 10, 2015, 1:49 PM
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Re: Techno Geeks- what's the catch w/ Windows 10 Free?
Jun 9, 2015, 6:35 PM
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No catch.
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The catch is its Windows
Jun 10, 2015, 12:44 AM
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The sooner people dump Microsoft the better. That company is a giant floundering coot.
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and replace it with what?***
Jun 10, 2015, 12:56 AM
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I love the hate MS crowd. Unless you are a
Jun 10, 2015, 10:08 AM
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Linux geek, you have no room to talk. If MS controlled all the hardware like Apple, there would never be any issues with Windows. I'd like to see Apple come up with an OS that runs on ALL 3rd party hardware (current and legacy) and see how they do. Plus, MS is one of the most charitable companies out there while Apple hordes their $.
For the record, I've been an admin for almost 20 years...all MS and Linux. I don't allow Apple in my network.
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Apple people are the Paul-bots of the computer world.***
Jun 10, 2015, 10:13 AM
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We use Linux and MS at our office.
People are always asking me what to do with their iPhones, etc.
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I've tried several flavors of linux but was never able to
Jun 10, 2015, 12:31 PM
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play my shoot-em-ups with Wine. At all lol. I used to host my own web server/ content using both LAMPP and variants but w/out my shootemups, I just folded. I had just as much success running apache on a win os for 10 years or so.
I'd love to enjoy a linux some day
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I used to have a tshirt that said "I love LAMP" with a big
Jun 10, 2015, 2:48 PM
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penguin on it. Yeah, I'm a big geek.
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Re: I love the hate MS crowd. Unless you are a
Jun 10, 2015, 12:38 PM
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> Linux geek, you have no room to talk. If MS
> controlled all the hardware like Apple, there would
> never be any issues with Windows. I'd like to see
> Apple come up with an OS that runs on ALL 3rd party
> hardware (current and legacy) and see how they do.
> Plus, MS is one of the most charitable companies out
> t there while Apple hordes their $.
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> For the record, I've been an admin for almost 20
> years...all MS and Linux. I don't allow Apple in my
> network.
RutRoh this make you a geek racist , " I don't allow Apple in my
> network."
Must be a pretty powerful admin position , or a very small company if you have the "kahunas" to bar your senior executives from carrying their I Phones and Ipads. just saying
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I guess so. I do allow iPhones on the guest wi-fi, but not
Jun 10, 2015, 2:50 PM
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other network resources.
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I answered on another thread but here goes again
Jun 10, 2015, 1:50 PM
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it is free for one year. It will be a yearly subscription now. All software is going this route.
And for those of you Apple lovers that thing the Mac OS had something to do with this you are sadly mistaken. Windows is still use don over 80% of the World's PCs and MacOS is quickly falling further behind as Apple drops money into iOS and their phone sales and not their PC sales.
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FALSE
Jun 10, 2015, 2:54 PM
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It is free for the life of the version, just like previous versions of Windows have been. They're pushing for people to upgrade because (among other reasons) it is too expensive to continue supporting previous, buggy versions of Windows.
Windows 10 will have small, frequent upgrades and patches rather than the massive service packs that previous versions have had.
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Re: FALSE
Jun 10, 2015, 3:58 PM
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> It is free for the life of the version, just like
> previous versions of Windows have been. They're
> pushing for people to upgrade because (among other
> reasons) it is too expensive to continue supporting
> previous, buggy versions of Windows.
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> Windows 10 will have small, frequent upgrades and
> patches rather than the massive service packs that
> previous versions have had.
How many times wIll you fall for the same line ? This whole model is designed to stop people from being able to keep a computer for more than a couple of years .
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Re: FALSE
Jun 10, 2015, 4:29 PM
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Technology improves so rapidly at this point that if you aren't replacing your hardware every couple of years you're way behind the curve.
The processor in my 2014 smartphone is faster than the processor in my old 2008 laptop.
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Yes. That is true.
Jun 10, 2015, 4:51 PM
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However, I don't think the move is to force people into buying new hardware...
I have an old Toshiba Satellite at home built in 2003 that runs 8.1 faster than it did XP with no hardware changes.
Granted, I keep it cleaned out and don't visit malicious websites, but in order to make 10 work on a wider number of devices with the same interface, MS has kept the hardware requirements very low, much lower than they usually do when moving to a new version.
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Re: FALSE
Jun 10, 2015, 3:58 PM
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> It is free for the life of the version, just like
> previous versions of Windows have been. They're
> pushing for people to upgrade because (among other
> reasons) it is too expensive to continue supporting
> previous, buggy versions of Windows.
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> Windows 10 will have small, frequent upgrades and
> patches rather than the massive service packs that
> previous versions have had.
How many times wIll you fall for the same line ? This whole model is designed to stop people from being able to keep a computer for more than a couple of years .
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MS is actually moving to an app based reality. I don't
Jun 10, 2015, 4:25 PM
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know what they're thinking, but from what they have said, MS wants to make the OS as friendly to app developers as possible. One of the best ways to do that is to have a single platform rather than varying OS's and SP's to deal with. This is a calculated move by MS to get as many people as possible to move to Win 10 so that they can sell the apps. MS will make substantially more money by giving away the OS, if their plan works. Most of the sales of Windows are through OEM, which is nearly free anyway.
Most business customers are still stuck with purchasing upgrades, if they want to upgrade...we won't be buying most of their apps so they have to get $$ from us somehow.
I don't see anyone "falling for the same line" as MS has never done anything like this before.
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Re: MS is actually moving to an app based reality. I don't
Jun 10, 2015, 5:19 PM
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According to MS, this isn't correct. The upgrade is
Jun 10, 2015, 3:08 PM
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free. According to MS, all updates are included for the life of the OS and there will be no fees or paid subscriptions to keep the OS. The one year thing is how long you have to claim your upgrade.
A couple quotes:
"This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device - at no additional charge. With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We'll deliver new features when they're ready, not waiting for the next major release." - Terry Meyerson executive vice president of the Operating Systems group
"Windows 10 isn’t “freemium.” It won’t convert from a free upgrade to a paid or subscription-supported operating system." - Aaron Woodman, senior director of product marketing at Microsoft
You're welcome.
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TY Noodle***
Jun 10, 2015, 3:10 PM
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They'll still have to support 10 for many years after
Jun 10, 2015, 4:32 PM
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any new OS is released. I don't get your point. We're talking about how Win 10 is free...a hypothetical Win 11 won't change the fact that Win 10 is free.
Do you really want to keep the same OS forever? Technology changes too fast to plan on keeping any OS that far into the future. I still have my MS-DOS/Win 3 disks if you'd like to install it...
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Heck, I was mad when my phone wasn't first on the list
Jun 10, 2015, 4:41 PM
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to get Android upgrades. I had to wait a whole 4 months to get lollipop
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Re: They'll still have to support 10 for many years after
Jun 10, 2015, 6:19 PM
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My dad always told me "son, your opinion is worth exactly what someone is paying for it " ... Do what you want ...
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Worked fine. They supported them longer
Jun 10, 2015, 6:53 PM
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than I thought they should. I still don't get the point, but whatever. All OS's hit end of life eventually. Or do you think they should still support Win 95?
I'm staying put with win 7 anyway so I don't really know what were arguing about.
Peace.
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Re: Extended support for Vista runs to 2017***
Jun 10, 2015, 8:42 PM
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So you are saying you are running vista and happy with performance and support, you are a rare bird . Will your vista machine run win 10?
What draws you to change to 10 ? what does it add for you? Worth the price of new hardware?
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Re: Extended support for Vista runs to 2017***
Jun 11, 2015, 9:35 AM
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I'm not running Vista, but somebody out there probably is. I just looked it up and Windows 10 has the exact same hardware requirements as Windows 7, which I'm 95% sure are the same requirements as Vista. You could actually run Windows 10 on machines that are 8-10 years old with no problems. I personally wouldn't do it because the newer machines with Solid State memory are so much quicker than the old HDD machines, but you could.
The value-add to me is that modern OS's seem cleaner and quicker than their predecessors, plus the patching process seems to be much less painful because they're implementing smaller, more frequent updates rather than the giant service packs that previous versions had. Some might not consider that to be worth the learning curve of a redesigned OS, but for me it is.
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Re: I answered on another thread but here goes again
Jun 10, 2015, 3:51 PM
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> it is free for one year. It will be a yearly
> subscription now. All software is going this route.
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> And for those of you Apple lovers that thing the Mac
> OS had something to do with this you are sadly
> mistaken. Windows is still use don over 80% of the
> World's PCs and MacOS is quickly falling further
> behind as Apple drops money into iOS and their phone
> sales and not their PC sales.
LInux is open source ... If you do not want to bow down to the man , then go that way. Almost every new PC sold today includes Free Microsoft office. Their goal you put your personal documents and etc on their format , you will just keep subscribing ... Microsoft is finding Another way to do the same thing Apple has done since inception . Why?hint ... It ain't for charity
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Re: Techno Geeks- what's the catch w/ Windows 10 Free?
Jun 10, 2015, 3:56 PM
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For me - after experiencing the nightmare straight from the bowels of #### with Windows 8, I wouldn't touch Win 10. I'm sticking with 7 which works just fine after I decided to UPGRADE from Win 8 to Win 7.
Good grief they should have fired Steve Balmer immediately for allowing that POS to go out the door.
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Re: Techno Geeks- what's the catch w/ Windows 10 Free?
Jun 10, 2015, 4:34 PM
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I jumped from Vista to 7 as fast as I could.
8.1 seems to have fixed a lot of the 8 mistakes (I recently got a laptop that shipped with 8.1 on it) and I'm hoping 10 will be the stable system that MS seems to always release following its mistakes. (ME, Vista, and 8 were all bad, XP and 7 were good, hopefully 10 is good)
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I'm really happy with Windows 7 on my machine that i built
Jun 11, 2015, 10:58 AM
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this past winter. Prior to that i was still running XP on one that initially came with Vista (ugh). Probably 2/3 of the Windows OS haven't really been worth using so I'm not going to blindly jump into Windows 10 without doing more research and, hopefully, testing it out for myself. I suspect at some point I'll probably have to get on board though.
Anyway, Microsoft's ultimate goal is to have everyone using the same OS (simply called "Windows") which will supposedly be some type of pay service with a subscription fee. There will no longer be releases of new Windows versions, but rather regular updates that serve the same purpose.
They are going to have a hard time getting a lot of businesses on board though for reasons already stated in posts in this thread.
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Re: I'm really happy with Windows 7 on my machine that i built
Jun 11, 2015, 11:04 AM
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I think office will go completely subscription based, but I think the OS will remain a free/one-time purchase model. It'll ship free on new machines and you can upgrade free on machines running legacy versions for the next year or so, then upgrades and installs onto hardware without a Windows OS will be a flat fee.
Windows would lose a ton of market share (more than they already are) if they moved their OS to a subscription model, it would be a money-losing move on their part.
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This is something I've been reading about that is still
Jun 11, 2015, 11:28 AM
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several years down the road. And of course there's still time for everything to change.
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