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Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 23, 2012, 11:26 PM
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Uconn to ACC. If this turns out to be true, I now have one goal for Clemson above any victory out there. Get out of the ACC as soon as possible. Even the Big12 which I never cared for would be the place to go. If we had to beg them to take us, what ever it takes. We can not be in a conference with Cincy, Connecticut and Louisville, period.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=601617
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And if Clemson signs a GOR with this bunch, then I'm out.
Nov 23, 2012, 11:34 PM
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It's one thing to be in the current ACC vs other big conferences, but the configuration they are talking about, just would not be worth defending or even keeping up with. How long do you think it would take recruiting to go bust when we can offer playing Cincy, Uconn, Louisville. And what happen to the big academic rule that kept West Virginia out?
Congrats to Maryland for escaping this.
Tomorrow, if we win and go 11-1 regular season, it will be one of the happiest days I have ever had as a Clemson Tiger. Then if this news breaks and turns out to be true, it will also be one of the saddest. I will be completely done until we move into another conference.
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Re: And if Clemson signs a GOR with this bunch, then I'm out.
Nov 24, 2012, 7:55 AM
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You're completely done based on us being in a certain conference? Get your priorities straight. No matter how unhappy I am with whatever conference alignment we end up in, I will never be "done" with the Clemson Tigers. Complain, Offer your opinion or a solution, but never just quit on a team and a family that have been here for generations.
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I don't care for those teams for academic reasons, but
Nov 24, 2012, 8:31 AM
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keep in mind that it hasn't been that many years since Louisville was a BCS contender under an up-and-coming coach, and Cincinnati, Louisville, and Connecticutt have very strong basketball reputations.
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Grant of Rights. It means that if you leave the
Nov 24, 2012, 3:14 PM
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conference, you forfeit all TV revenue to the conference for a specified period of years.
Well, third tier for sure. Might include first and/or second tier, too.
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 12:03 AM
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You got the $50 million exit fee to leave the ACC?
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Those fees get trimmed down by the time the lawyers get
Nov 24, 2012, 12:11 AM
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finished, look at what MAryland will do with it. Also, even if $50 million you are talking about a 100-year decision. It will pay for itself with increased revenue from another conference even if Big12 is the only hope at this point. Plus you will cost yourself a lot more than 50 mil in the long run because people are going to come to watch Cincy, Uconn, Louisville, Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Duke and Wake. Heck, I'd drive to Columbia or Athens to watch them play their schedule before I watched ours. Not to mention recruiting will go downhill to the point we wouldn't be winninng in the ACC.
We would never get these southern players to come play that schedule, while our conference foes would recruit just fine up in their areas.
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Well goodbye. Hopefully you will make the best decision
Nov 24, 2012, 3:11 PM
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between supporting.the coots or dogs. Don't need the chicken littles.
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you can't be serious...
Nov 24, 2012, 12:22 AM
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First, no one will EVER pay $50 mil to get out of the ACC.
Second, why would UMD leave AFTER the exit fee was raised. They aren't too worried about it holding up.
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Re: you can't be serious...
Nov 24, 2012, 12:29 AM
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Maryland didn't vote for the exit fee, so they have loop hole. Also Clemson isn't going anywhere, so you might as well get over it already
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how does not voting for it exempt you, and holds everyone
Nov 24, 2012, 12:33 AM
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else to it???
In that case, why would anyone vote for it?
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Because they want the league to stay intact and
Nov 24, 2012, 12:36 AM
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have no plan to leave ACC. If Clemson was going to leave, do you really think they'd voted for that? FSU and Clemson are staying putm you can keep hoping, but wasting time and making yourself look even worse and digging deeper and deeper hole.
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lol***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:36 AM
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If Clemson was leaving, then why would they vote?***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:38 AM
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Sorry BT, they have no loophole, the ACC Charter they voted
Nov 24, 2012, 2:30 PM
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for and take checks from says a certain amount of members have to vote for anything to make it binding. Did they cash their checks last year, will they refuse their checks this year ? It's binding and barring mediation they stand no chance in court.
Whether or not they voted no on this particular issue doesn't matter.
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####### swofftard taking a dump on the chest of ACC
Nov 24, 2012, 12:06 AM
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football
#### basketball - it's a nice olympic sport
FOOTBALL PAYS THE BILLS FOR ALL SPORTS - MEN'S AND WOMENS
what a ###### up situation
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This may be too logically but,
Nov 24, 2012, 12:13 AM
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who else is the ACC suppose to add, the only schools that would want to jump ship are schools from the big east or non-aq conferences. I'm not saying that I love the ACC but d@mn chill out we can't control this kind of stuff. If the ACC is going to expand I wouldn't mind having louisville and cincy, both schools have had decent football teams over the past few years and have gone to BCS bowls.
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Re: This may be too logically but,
Nov 24, 2012, 12:19 AM
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Agree, that dudes going to blow a gasket!
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Then add one and hold your nose while you do it. But don't
Nov 24, 2012, 12:22 AM
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for Lord's sake invite all three of that sorry lot. And to be honest, the minute MAryland left and we had to choose between Conn and Louisville, we should start begging the Big12.
I was never for moving to the Big12, but in my wildest nightmare I didn't think the ACC would be made up of Cincy, Louisville, and Uconn.
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The ACC is finished***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:22 AM
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ACC as we know it, that is***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:23 AM
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Where do you think we end up? Do you still think we have
Nov 24, 2012, 12:25 AM
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a shot at Big12?
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yes....
Nov 24, 2012, 12:27 AM
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people think I was making stuff up this summer... but we were right on the doorstep until Swoffie threw the ND hail mary (I shouldn't have said done deal)
But yes... we have a very good chance
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didn't you lose a bet for saying it though?
Nov 24, 2012, 12:30 AM
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actually... no I did not.....
Nov 24, 2012, 12:32 AM
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No one took my bet until the one dude came on and specifically said...
"If Clemson isn't in the Big 12 by the end of the year"....
I left on my own... but the bet actually said "end of the year".
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you left for very good reason. i remember biggie saying you
Nov 24, 2012, 12:37 AM
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had until the meeting back in august.
either way maryland was not part of the equation and anything that comes of it has nothing to do with the dudesque crap i was watching back in june/july.
you weren't alone in it either.
i personally don't care what conference clemson calls home. i do care however about the nosedive wvu took from #5 and it had everything to do with their travel schedule.
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that isn't true... I offered the bet....
Nov 24, 2012, 12:39 AM
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by mistake.... but no one on this site took me up, until someone (can't even remember who), said "if Clemson isn't in by the end of the year".
I didn't wait around to see... but that was the timeline given on the bet
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How do you offer a bet by mistake?***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:40 AM
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i'm only going on what i read yorkie. it was bandied about
Nov 24, 2012, 12:46 AM
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by some after your farewell.
if you say it went down differently so be it, but it doesn't change the complete ######### people were shoveling on this board for those 2 months.
jeebus, david hood even interviewed recruits parents about the possibility and would it change alter their decisions.
are ####### kidding me?
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Re: Yeah WV is getting big benefits
Nov 24, 2012, 8:02 AM
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Exactly Bryantiger, The travel will cost us 2 games a yesr minimum. And I know how far BC is from us. But it's a #'s game. More of them out there in Big 12.Would cost us home and away.
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LOL. What a bunch of baloney...
Nov 24, 2012, 11:29 AM
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You were completely wrong about the Big 12 "done deal", and now you're not honoring your word.
It's just that simple. Please spare the weak attempts to paint it any other way.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: yes....
Nov 24, 2012, 12:32 AM
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Give it a rest already, you don't embarrassed yourself once, don't do it again
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Re: Then add one and hold your nose while you do it. But don't
Nov 24, 2012, 9:11 AM
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None of those teams are an improvement; two are second-tier universities, and UCONN is UCONN. This would be a joke. We deserve better.
There is no way this report is correct, unless they see another ACC school leaving. That would put us at 16, with no place for ND to join. You know Swoffie isn't going to close the door on them becoming full members, no matter how many times they tell him no.
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A couple of things to keep in mind here...
Nov 24, 2012, 12:20 AM
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1. Louisville is a community college (basically), and I would be very surprised if the ACC added them.
2. If the ACC has offered UL, Cincy, and UCONN... it's because they know they have to replace at least a few schools.
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Good points. but we might not be one of the few schools
Nov 24, 2012, 12:23 AM
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they have to replace. I have heard that UVA, BC, UNC could be on a list for BigTen. Even those schools would leave before they stayed with Cincy.
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UVA and GT to B1G for sure....
Nov 24, 2012, 12:26 AM
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possibly UNC and Duke (all four are AAU schools)
We will get into the SEC if they want to protect the south. If not, Big 12.
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Just curious, does "for sure" equal "done deal"?
Nov 24, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Are you REALLY doing this again, yorkie?
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No:
Nov 24, 2012, 8:20 AM
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First they are trying to get to 16 schools. Second the UNC,Duke,Wake triangle really can only support 1 team. I say Duke and Wake BB only like ND. Third I'll take UNC-Charlotte over Wake any day.
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No offense to York..
Nov 24, 2012, 8:26 AM
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but give it a rest dude. I'm glad you're back, but stay out of expansion discussions as your credibility reeks on that subject. It's over and done. If it ever happens, then your credibility will be restored, but NOT before that time.
As for FSU possibly leaving - does anyone actually believe that FSU has the funding to pay an exit fee of 50 million? Seriously??? NOT!! No way will that happen. Because FSU stays, I bet that CLEMSON stays put too. The ACC just needs to re-align the conference as North-South, and please cut the nuts off of whoever named them Atlantic and Coastal.
Am I right????
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Then
Nov 24, 2012, 12:22 AM
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If true, I want out now.
Who said no to the $EC when we had a chance? Worst. Decision. Ever.
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I kind of like it
Nov 24, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Realign ACC into North-South divisions. I think BC has really suffered by not getting enough exposure in their natural footprint. By locking up more Northeastern schools they can compete and recruit in their natural footprint. Recruits won;t have to travel 500 miles to catch an away game. This will enable them to solidify their programs and I think isolate Rutgers and Maryland. Not to mention basketball. I don't think anyone would be able to deny this would be the strongest basketball conference. UNC, Duke, UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, etc.
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Louisville and Cincy are pretty good teams
Nov 24, 2012, 12:27 AM
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I have no problem with Cincy and Louisville
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Big problems
Nov 24, 2012, 12:30 AM
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First, it doesn't fix ANY of the problems
Second, UL is a community college that I doubt the ACC ever allows in.
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Then who do you suppose the ACC get?
Nov 24, 2012, 12:37 AM
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Please tell us these great football teams we can go after?
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that's the problem and why the ACC will get left behind
Nov 24, 2012, 12:41 AM
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if the other power conferences go to 16... those teams will come from the ACC.
There is no one else
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ACC is a founding conference and isn't going anywhere, but
Nov 24, 2012, 12:45 AM
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keep digging that hole
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Re: ACC is a founding conference and isn't going anywhere, but
Nov 24, 2012, 8:27 AM
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Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is a "founding conference"?
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Perhaps he meant "foundering"?***
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Some of this speculation is crazy talk.
Nov 24, 2012, 12:27 AM
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It's all good and well to dream about your conference taking UNC and such and such school. But unless that school is Duke it's crazy talk. UNC isn't going anywhere without Duke. And I would be surprised if those two were allowed to leave Wake behind.
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Really? Do you realze the B1G is DOUBLING
Nov 24, 2012, 12:29 AM
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UMD's money? From 17 mil (new ACC backloaded contract) to close to 33-34 mil per year.
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So what? That doesn't change what I said.***
Nov 24, 2012, 12:30 AM
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They're not talking about UNC going anywhere. Tehy are
Nov 24, 2012, 12:36 AM
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talking about them staying put and bringing in Cincy, Uconn and Louisville.
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Several posts speculate UNC to the big 10 without Duke
Nov 24, 2012, 12:38 AM
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That's not going to happen. Well, several of those posts aren't going to happen.
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UConn sucks, but honestly, what is wrong with
Nov 24, 2012, 12:37 AM
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Louisville and Cincy at football? Cincy is probably the best football program available at this point. Look at their number of wins recently:
2006: 8
2007: 10
2008: 11
2009: 12
2010: 4
2011: 10
and this year they have a chance at 10 again.
Louisville is having a great season this year and appears to be a team on the rise. Both teams would easily be upgrades over 2/3's of the conference at this point.
Even UConn isn't the worst at football, as they've had quite a few 8 and 9 win seasons recently.
You have to realize there really aren't any football powerhouses available at this point. Teams like Alabama and LSU aren't out there looking for a new conference. The Big 10 just added Maryland and Rutgers, which aren't football powers at all. If we want our conference to get better, we have to look for improvement from teams within our conference. There is no reason for teams like VT, Miami, and even BC, UNC, and GT to be as bad as they have been recently.
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Exactly^^^^
Nov 24, 2012, 12:44 AM
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I guess these big 12 homers, want us to raid the Big 12 or SEC for some good teams. Funny thing is after OU gets beat tomorrow, the Big 12 gets one team to the BCS, while the ACC gets 2. Clemson will get in over 2 loss OU anyway
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I think
Nov 24, 2012, 8:15 AM
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GT is about to or has hit the wall with success. You will not see them win this conference again as long as Johnson is there. Miami is about to get smoked by the NCAA. I am not convinced the NCAA is done with UNC either. VT should be better. BC? Who knows.
I have to say honestly...none of those teams excite me at ALL. (UL, UConn or Cincy)
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 7:43 AM
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Football schools make the money for the ACC. The others are leaches.
Only Louisville adds money to the conference. Cincinnati...maybe. Small stadium, some success, but could they end up being another middle of the road team for the ACC? UCONN...forget it. They will end up being another leach.
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The 3 teams should be:
Nov 24, 2012, 7:53 AM
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Louisville,South Fla. and W.Vir.
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Aficionado [195]
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hey york
Nov 24, 2012, 8:11 AM
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I know i am a coot but ill say ask anyway....do you really consider yourself credible on this subject? You spent all summer spouting "facts" and turned out to be dead wrong. You are the last person that should be acting like you know how this plays out....i do believe CU amd fSU bolt to the b12 but not based on your word....the sec isnt worried about keeping the southern footprint so clem to sec is done....i also scoff at your notion that duke and unc are connected at the hip. Duke will never leave the ACC, they are a perfect fit. I know a coach in the athletics dept at unc and trust me they dont want to get left out of expansion. There is allegiance to duke but if they can go, they will....
Anyway, i know i am an outsider on this board but you have no connections, you are an internet ##### who reads blogs all day and creates conspiracy theories. Do yourself a favor and reban yourself for life.
To all the rest of tnetters, good luck today. If i run into you, im always up for a beer and a little banter.
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The ACC will be the best basketball leage in
Nov 24, 2012, 8:26 AM
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the country!
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Virtuoso [607]
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Sadly, time for the Tigers, FSU, and GT to ...
Nov 24, 2012, 8:34 AM
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move on, hopefully together. I want a secure future. Before I judge, want to see if this is true and see how this plays out.
GOOOOO TIGERS!!!!! BEAT THE COOTS!!!!
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 9:43 AM
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Louisville is 17th US New for academics and Clemson is 20 something. They are much better than Merryland. And Cinn
and UConn are no worse.
LU and Cinn are up and coming football.
Cinn is better than Miami.
Move to big12 would be ok too.
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110%er [5267]
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Um..I think they are more like 117 not 17
Nov 24, 2012, 9:53 AM
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They would be the lowest ranked ACC school.
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Uof L is at least 160,FSU is about 104.
Nov 24, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Everyone else is higher than FSU. Someone "claiming" U of L is any higher is just making up numbers. Much like York's Maryland's financial projections.
The biggest 2 questions about this article, how could it be true and not just speculation , isn't 16th place automatically saved for ND as part of their deal ?
Second, what would ND have to say about any addition to the conference, will they lean more towards academics or want a FB school? Make no mistake about it, they will have a pretty big say in this.
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Maybe he misremembered
Nov 24, 2012, 11:35 AM
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I agree. #16 is for ND unless they plan to joint a different conference. We won't add a 16th team until ND joins a conference.
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Re: Uof L is at least 160,FSU is about 104.
Nov 24, 2012, 11:37 AM
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I am sure FSU and Clemson are in Swoofie's ear letting him know that anything less than WVU,Penn St. or ND is not going to cut it. I say stay put for now, more money for 13 teams than 14. Hell I would kick out WF and drop to 12 teams and be happy there. The big 12 only has 10 teams.
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no doubt its time to pull up the stakes!
Nov 24, 2012, 9:56 AM
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nm
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Folks keep pointing to West Virginia's struggles
Nov 24, 2012, 11:18 AM
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To be fair, couldn't you just as easily point to Texas A&M's success this season?
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 11:22 AM
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Big 12, or bust. This is just another dagger in the ACC if it proves true. We need to catch the first bus to a football conference before its too late.
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Orange Blooded [2958]
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You didn't eat enough turkey yesterday.***
Nov 24, 2012, 3:58 PM
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Can you link the article?***
Nov 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
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It was a tweet by a sport writer from the Tallahassee Dem.****
Nov 24, 2012, 2:01 PM
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
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They might as well change the name from ACC to Metro Conference while they're at it.
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OMG, Say it ain't so...Our Calculus program is going to
Nov 24, 2012, 12:33 PM
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suffer.........
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 2:52 PM
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Somebody explain why we look down our noses at Big East teams.
The only one we've "owned" is Temple.
The few others we've played have kicked our butts as of late.
I say we don't worry about who's in our conference. We need to win. Period.
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Re: Tallahassee Democrat reporting Louisville, Cincy and
Nov 24, 2012, 3:33 PM
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It would be a mistake to stay but I am a Tiger so that is who I am loyal to. No matter where we go...or don't go !
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