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Take a look at the student section against a RANKED UVA team
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Take a look at the student section against a RANKED UVA team

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Feb 17, 2014, 1:13 PM

Keep in mind, we are a bubble team for the NCAA tournament. A win over a highly regarded UVA team would have definitely increased our chances of getting an invite to the big dance tremendously. Getting an invite does wonders for the future of our program.

A Saturday afternoon, great weather, not during an exam week, and tickets are on the house...

(See photo for how our students respond. Picture was taken 6 minutes into the first half)

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Feb 17, 2014, 1:27 PM

What a terrible location for a student section. No wonder no one showed up. The students who actually care about basketball probably pay for the better seats.

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Our student section has been packed in years past….

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Feb 17, 2014, 3:53 PM

it has nothing to do with location. I remember through years we had much worse seasons (and we are overachieving this season) than this one and the student section was packed and going crazy.

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Re:the student section against a RANKED UVA team- impressive

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Feb 17, 2014, 1:42 PM

well as impressive as our offense anyway.

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you must be a COOT!


Feb 17, 2014, 3:49 PM

;)

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Feb 17, 2014, 1:48 PM

Pathetic

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Play exciting ball and they will come

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Feb 17, 2014, 2:26 PM

As someone that was at Clemson for the Barnes and Shyatt years, let me tell you. This is not about being a football school. There was a point in 95-96 we were a basketball school because they won games and were exciting. There was constant camping out for tickets. Clemson can be a good "basketball school" fan wise, but we must put a winner on the court.

Being a bubble team after what 5 years and looking lost offensively in doing so outside KJ is not the way to get there. Tell me where this team is if he had not developed the way he has.

We had our chance to get Marshall, but did not. (That is long gone by the way) Seems to me the admin is fine with being a .500 basketball school. I hate it, but do not give me #### for not coming to see a .500 basketball team. I know that fans are to be at every event and lift the team from the ashes, but that is really tough when you are in year 18 in a row of being an average BBall team at best. Yes Purnell's team were just average

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it's tough when your team plays in a place like clemson,


Feb 17, 2014, 3:54 PM

which is pretty far from any major population center. if the students don't show up, it's going to be hard to fill up an arena based on people traveling from greenville to see a mediocre team. i was there during the 89 and 90 seasons and those games were packed, but we were pretty good then.

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If we can pack Death Valley with 85,000 then we can pack...


Feb 17, 2014, 3:59 PM

Littlejohn with 10,000. No excuses for this.

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apples and oranges. people travel 4-5 hours or more to watch


Feb 17, 2014, 4:04 PM

a game on a saturday, people fly in for big games, and we have had a pretty good team lately. and even then there are often plenty of empty seats in the upper deck. nobody is gonna travel any more than an hour on a week night to watch a mediocre team play basketball.

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The Virginia game was on a Saturday…..


Feb 17, 2014, 4:07 PM

The comparison is valid. If we can pack Death Valley with 85000, then we should easily pack a 10000 seat arena for a team exceeding expectations and facing a ranked team on a Saturday.

Like, I said before no excuses. We got better attendance during the Shyatt years than we have this season.

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all i'm saying is that if the students don't show up on a


Feb 17, 2014, 4:09 PM

consistent basis, basketball attendance is going to struggle, because you can't count on as many coming into town to watch a basketball game. clemson is a small town. it's not like atlanta, raleigh, durham or even columbia. if the students don't show up, there are going to be empty seats.

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and i think the students really only show up strong when


Feb 17, 2014, 4:11 PM

we're good, sad as it is to say.

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They showed up during the Shyatt years and we were...


Feb 17, 2014, 4:12 PM

far from good during those years.

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How many of the games were on TV then?


Feb 17, 2014, 4:14 PM

they all are now.

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A majority of them. You must be thinking about the 80's...


Feb 17, 2014, 4:20 PM

not the 2000's.

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Even in 2008 it was only like 2/3 of them


Feb 17, 2014, 4:40 PM

then ESPN 3 became a thing and they were all available

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People sitting in dorm rooms watching the game? no way***


Feb 17, 2014, 5:14 PM



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i wasn't there during the shyatt years, but i was there


Feb 17, 2014, 4:15 PM

from 89-93 and we went from camping out for tickets my first couple of years to being pretty apathetic the last couple. as the team went, so went attendance.

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The team is overachieving this year. We were picked to...


Feb 17, 2014, 4:21 PM

finish 14th in the conference, and have done a whole lot better than what everybody thought we would. So you can't use the excuse that the team is bad this year.

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yes, you keep saying that. being picked to be 14th and

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Feb 17, 2014, 4:32 PM

ending up around 9th would be a mild surprise, especially given the circumstances, but it's really only a pyrrhic victory. i hope that KJ stays and that the team, with an infusion of health and talent, takes a big step forward next year.

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Yes, I understand that you want this team to fail….


Feb 17, 2014, 4:44 PM

but I will not take that attitude, no matter how many times you repeat it. We are in 6th place, not 9th. Nice job on quitting on the team.

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i never want a clemson team to fail. i want all clemson


Feb 18, 2014, 9:49 AM

teams to be elite. i know that's not always possible, but that doesn't stop me from wishing for that.

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Which is part of the point I have been making about….


Feb 17, 2014, 4:11 PM

the poor attendance we have had this season.

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I have not been to one game this year and I can tell you


Feb 17, 2014, 4:33 PM

that there is NO way there is less attendance than the Shyatt years. You could walk into the game 5 min before tip and stand on the floor as a student.

Basketball is a tough sell without students. If the students are not energized by the team, you have no chance at somebody from Greenville, much less Columbia or Rock Hill.

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This team is overachieving this year….

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Feb 17, 2014, 3:57 PM

our chances for the NCAA tourney our slim now, but we were picked to finish 14th in the conference. Maybe, if more fans showed up it would inspire the team and they will play better. Especially, coming off the road trip they went on. The team comes back home and their is no support from the students. As ineffective as our offense is this year, it's nowhere near as bad as the Shyatt years. And during the Shyatt years, when we couldn't even make the NIT, more students showed up.

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It was pretty sparse at the end of the Shyatt years


Feb 17, 2014, 5:51 PM

We used to sometimes get to the games after they'd started, and we'd still find plenty of open places to stand on those risers on the floor. By the end of the Purnell era, it was starting to get hard to find get good seats.

I really do hope it's not as bad as it was at the end of the Shyatt era, because this team is nowhere near as bad as those teams.

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Feb 17, 2014, 2:49 PM

Lots of students in the stands -- keep in mind a lot of donors that have kids at Clemson...but the season package and their children use the tickets when they can not up for games. I was happy to see the upper level pretty full.

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Feb 17, 2014, 3:02 PM

Students need to admit that Duke students and several others in the league OWN THEM. Wouldn't happen in my day. The old Fike was filled every game and Clemson rarely won.

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But, but, but, we have exams….


Feb 17, 2014, 3:52 PM

and we've been hoodwinked by Jim Barker into thinking football is the only sport that matters, even though Barker helped us to have a decade of underachieving in football by giving multiple contract extensions to Tommy Bowden.

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Why are we arguing, I think we are saying the same thing


Feb 17, 2014, 5:12 PM

just be different means. You feel if the people care, the team will succeed. I am afraid the people will not care if we do not succeed.

Like US soccer or basically any other Olympic sport

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Feb 17, 2014, 4:18 PM

And take a look at the season ticket holders section right beside it...

People are quick to point the finger at the students, but other people aren't showing up either.

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It's on both students and regular fans***

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Feb 17, 2014, 4:22 PM



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it has been argued ad nauseam, but we're just an OK team and


Feb 17, 2014, 4:25 PM

we are playing a really ugly style of basketball, even if it's by necessity.

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Nobody has said we are a good team….


Feb 17, 2014, 4:46 PM

but you can't deny the fact this team is playing much better than what every body thought. We have one of the top defenses in the nation. If you refuse to get behind this team, then just pick another team to pull for.

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if it were football and we were picked last, where would the


Feb 17, 2014, 4:53 PM

people be? Even if we finished 9th, we would be sitting with 45,000 in the stands.

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Our football program has a good history, our basketball...

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Feb 17, 2014, 4:58 PM

program doesn't. Epic Fail of the day. Worst comparison I've ever seen on tnet. If you don't want to support this team, then go pull for another and stop spreading your negativity.

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I am promoting a winning program, the the existence of one


Feb 17, 2014, 5:08 PM

I went to Shyatt game just as much as Barnes games. Do you really think this is about pulling for my team? I am not speaking about this team, this year. It is a culture of mid pack being good enough and it isnt. Should you support your team think and thin, YES! Should be surprised when others do not, no. The vast majority of our fan base is not on Tigernet, they do not care about this school athletics the way that we do.

Football and Basketball correlate for me, regardless of tradition because I have seen both be bad and people did not show to see them. I have seen both be great and they did. Now the ratios are off. Many more will come to the football games because of the the tradition, but that is because they have the promise that if we are bad, we will not allow it to stand for long. We will make a change to be a good team. We do not have the same resolve in basketball mainly because WE to not demand it.

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i watch every game i can up here. i may even go to the wake


Feb 18, 2014, 9:51 AM

game next week. i'm never NOT "behind this team". i thought we were talking about why so few students show up.

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TigerKing - I know it goes hand in hand, but at Clemson


Feb 17, 2014, 4:50 PM

winning must come first. The students will jump on as soon as the smell a little energy from the team. If we had stepped up and beat Cuse or UNC and got on a little roll, that gym would have been packed.

The fact that the prediction was 14 and we go from bottom to mid-pack is just not good enough to get excitement. It would not be in football either. We go 0.500 in football for 4 years and Dabo would be gone, but in basketball we insulate ourselves and say it is okay because we are a "football school, we do not get to have a basketball team too". It is a free market economy in the sporting word and the public has passed its judgement. That gym is special when it is rocking, but it goes not come form nowhere.

PUT A WINNER ON THE COURT

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So in order to get the students we must do something we've

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Feb 17, 2014, 4:56 PM

never, ever done before? Win at UNC or beat a #1 on the road. Got ya. Sounds like a bunch of spoiled rotten students to me.

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Exactly***


Feb 17, 2014, 4:59 PM



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JSpears stop comparing the football program to the….


Feb 17, 2014, 5:00 PM

basketball program. We have won 3 Orange Bowls and 1 Cotton Bowl in football. Have we been to 4 final fours in basketball? No.

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I think they are mutually exclusive, bball should not be 2nd***


Feb 17, 2014, 5:10 PM



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People like you make basketball 2nd, with your lack of...

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Feb 17, 2014, 5:11 PM

support for the team.

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HEY I SEE MYSELF***


Feb 17, 2014, 5:05 PM



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I've been pretty embarassed of our crowds the last two games


Feb 17, 2014, 5:48 PM

There's no real excuse for not coming out to support our guys in big games against GT and UVa.

Now, as embarrassing as it should be to our students to have our student section that empty, I can tell you that I went to see us play ND last week and they can't have had more than 100 kids there. It was pretty sad.

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