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Virtuoso [610]
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Interesting read on Teboow ...
May 9, 2013, 2:28 PM
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IMO he could be a great NFL player is used properly. Make him a backup QB, but get him on the field as an H-back, 2nd TE, slot receiver, fullback, etc. etc. Move him around. Just his presence alone as a decoy will force defenses to put a spy on him. The guy is a play maker, winner, and great team leader & locker room player. To not find a way use his incredible skill set is embarrassing.
If he got with a team that knew how to use him and got him on the field, the circus would die down. Tebow didn't create the circus, the media did, and teams putting him in no win situations.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--tim-tebow-blackballed-by-nfl-teams-because-of-cult-like-following--media-frenzy-054940389.html
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Problem is that he doesn't want to change positions
May 9, 2013, 2:32 PM
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And the main reason teams don't want Tebow is that they don't want the media attention/circus that follows him like it did with the Jets. The best thing that could happen is for the media stop talking about him. If they stop reporting every single thing he does then a team might be willing to take a chance on him but again like you said he'd have to change positions and he doesn't want to do that.
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As I CLEARLY wrote, if a team used him properly the circus
May 9, 2013, 2:42 PM
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would dissipate. The frenzy was fed by his moving around and the situations others put him in. Stability resolves that.
He is a competitor. I guarantee you if a team said "Tim, we want you as a back-up QB, and will let you play QB, but we recognize your skills & talent and want you on the field, so here is our plan ..." He would go along with that. He has NEVER said he wouldn't be willing to do that. That way he gets to play QB, but also be on the field and make an impact.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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You think he could be a jack of all trades player?
May 9, 2013, 2:59 PM
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I could see H-back, TE, and FB because of his size and running ability. As a QB though you need to run the read option offense to fully take advantage of his skill set. A lot of teams don't want to make that kind of move though. that being said if I was Jacksonville or another crappy team I'd grab him and give him a shot because seriously what do you have to lose? He's shown that he can win in the NFL and all he really wants is a chance.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Have you seen the NFL the past 2 years? Teams are moving
May 9, 2013, 5:00 PM
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in that direction offensively because of the great spread offense dual threat QB's coming out of college. His passing could be fixed with work. No one helped him in college to do that.
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110%er [6592]
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as there is the camp that his supporters say are just haters
May 9, 2013, 5:16 PM
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you fall into the other camp of someone who thinks the world of him so much that you are seeing him as something he is not and seeing ability that just isnt there. In the camp in the middle as I am, he is nothing more than a bench warmer at the pro level that will never see significant playing time and would always be a career backup. Unfortunately, if you are a player that will be a career back up, you better not have any baggage (fault or no fault of his)or you going to have a hard time finding a job.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Wow Make huge assumptions much? I'm agnostic and not a Tebow
May 9, 2013, 8:33 PM
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pumper. I rarely even think of Tebow, but I ran across the article and found it interesting. My comments on Tebow are 100% objective based on what I've seen and read from various sources close to him or that have been around him.
I don't think he is an NFL starter, but as the article states, he has more upside and potential than people give him credit for. Not long ago on the Dan Patrick Show a guy known as a QB guru was talking about Tebow. He echoed the same thing as Testaverde, which is, Tebow's problem is more with his foot work than his throwing mechanics. And the guy made sure to point out that he was no fan of Tebow's going in, but after spending a day with him the guy came away impressed and said Tebow could be surprisingly good if he got his foot work fixed, which is far easier to fix than throwing mechanics.
I respect the guy, he's a great guy and positive role model for kids. Everyone that knows him is impressed by him as a person and athlete. Again, he's probably never going to be a starting QB in the NFL, but he could be an effective situational back up and a game changer as a TE/H-Back/Fullback/Slot WR type guy. Anyone that doesn't see that is not wanting to see it because they don't like the guy for whatever silly shallow petty personal bias. It doesn't take a Tebow pumper to see that and honestly and objectively critique the guy.
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110%er [6592]
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sure know how to make someones point dont you lol
May 10, 2013, 12:12 AM
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For someone that isnt a pumper, you seem to be doing a lot of defending and pumping.
first of all I dont know where being agnostic has anything to do with the discussion as religion wasnt mentioned once in any of my threads, if you think it belongs than I will go on record to say I am a Christian and have high respect for Tebow and his convictions and morals and wish there were more athletes/public figures like him. I even went on to agree that most of the cult fan baggage (maybe baggage is the wrong word, distraction instead) isnt his fault. However, like you said just now, he is not an NFL starter. I agree he could be a valuable backup much like Whitehurst, but teams are not going to hire a person that comes with as much distraction as Tebow does for a backup role. I respect the guy too I really do but the talent just isnt there, unfortunately his game just doesnt make it at the NFL level. There are plenty of other examples of excellent college players that have the same problems.
To go on and say that he can automatically be a game changer at another position (all of which he has no experience at) is laughable. What do you base this assessment on? Have you seen him block? Pick up a blitz?Run a route and get off the line against tough physical NFL LBs? Make tough catches while being hit? Obviously we dont know if he can or cant do these things well but to assume is stretching and you know these teams he has played for can make some of these assessments and the returns dont look good. One thing I can tell you is give me the choice of Tebow and any of the current pure TEs/FBs in the league that have been playing their positions for yrs and im going to take the guy with experience and track record every time. So I just dont see him being anything but a backup at any position he would decide to play, and again unfortunately teams are going to hire someone that brings distraction for a backup type role. Fair or not, his fault or not.
That said, I do hope I am wrong and you are correct. Like I said above, like you I do have a lot of respect for what Tebow stands for and it is an attitude that is refreshing to see from someone in the spot light and he can be a positive influence on a lot of people.
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Re: Have you seen the NFL the past 2 years? Teams are moving
May 9, 2013, 5:19 PM
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He's been in the NFL for three years now. Do you not think the coaches of the teams he's been on have tried working on his mechanics? Tebow is not a good QB, he cannot throw the football. The guys that you are talking about (Russell Wilson, RG3, Colin Kaepernick) all have cannons and good throwing mechanics. Tebow is not a similar QB.
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110%er [6592]
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exactly, if he could play he would be playing
May 9, 2013, 5:26 PM
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and if you are not playing and a back up, there better not be any baggage that comes with you. Unfortunately even though it may not be his fault, he has baggage.
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his game as is will never translate to the league as a QB
May 9, 2013, 3:31 PM
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As shown, once figured out, his stock fell rapidly lost something like 4 out of last 5 games he played. He needs to become a more accurate passer and be able to make quicker reads and get the ball out of his hands and to the receivers quicker. Otherwise defenses will line up and just pin their ears back and sell out to defend the run. As a TE/Hback/FB he is an average option at best considering anyone you would draft at these positions would be better. Ie you wouldnt draft Tebow to play TE when you could draft a true TE like D Allen for example. Plus can Tebow even block worth a hoot?
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not a hater of him, I actually was hoping he would make it
May 9, 2013, 3:36 PM
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but as good as a college player he was and great person he is, he just isnt a good prospect on the NFL level
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Virtuoso [610]
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Of course he is, just not at QB as a starter.***
May 9, 2013, 5:01 PM
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or any position as a starter***
May 9, 2013, 5:03 PM
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110%er [6592]
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if you would sub him in at any other position as a starter
May 9, 2013, 5:10 PM
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you need your head examined. As a blocker/runner you cant tell me one starting player at those positions he is better than. Also, as stated, at any other position he would need to show the ability to block. This something he has zero experience at and something he has never been asked to do. If you say well you could just sub him in and out, that takes the element of surprise out of it and coordinators will be on the look out whenever he enters the game that something might be up.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Plenty of experts completely disagree with you. Where do you
May 9, 2013, 8:35 PM
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coach if you think you know so much?
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110%er [6592]
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plenty of "experts"? what team does Tebow play for right now
May 9, 2013, 11:39 PM
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how many teams are lining up to sign him? You would think that if these "experts" existed he would have teams fighting over him? I think you have confused talking heads with "experts" as all gms and coachs who have actually coached Tebow to this point have said he doent have what it takes and cut him. No one is denying what kind of person/role model he is, but that doesnt automatically make him a good player. You really think out of all the teams that have needs that they would all be passing if he really had all this ability you speak of. So its not where I coach, its where do you coach that makes you see stuff that none of the other NFL coaches see?
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Re: Interesting read on Teboow ...the irony here is
May 9, 2013, 2:39 PM
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he may not get an offer to come back to pro ball. yet look at the myriad of scumbags cut because of outrageous antics who get chance after chance to go to new teams. to list examples would take too long.
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Re: Interesting read on Teboow ...the irony here is
May 9, 2013, 4:03 PM
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I would think the backlash of bringing Tebow to town --- meaning, having to deal with his cult-like following --- would be 10 times worse than bringing in someone who had been arrested or suspended in the past. Just from a NFL GM's perspective.
Tebow's fans are his own worst enemy, because they put him before they do the team. I know because I'm a Broncos fan and have been my whole life. I heard people who masqueraded as Broncos fans for 2 years basically throw John Elway - my and other Broncos fans idol - under the bus for even talking about releasing Tebow.
I respect him for what he did for the Broncos, but it's clear that teams don't want to deal with the media circus (which is fueled by the rabid fans).
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