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A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:16 PM
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comparing to KB/TL. Going into that year the team was clearly behind KB to start. He won the opener at aTm when TL struggled after the long TD to Tee. The team had clearly seen what TL could do in practice, but KB had earned their trust. It was a team chemistry issue to just start TL over him. Then TL happened in games 2-3, especially at Tech where KB struggled, and TL was electric. The team saw the light, they knew the move had to be made. The coaches made the move they knew had to happen all along, and kept the team.
Could it be as simple as Cade isn't TL? Honestly, who is? DJ has earned the teams trust and respect, in spite of his warts, that is clear. Has Cade simply been guilty of not being TL from day 1, so the team has stuck with DJ, especially while the playoffs were still on the line?
One thing we know is Dabo confers with his seniors often. Have they just not seen in Cade what Wilkins and that group finally saw in 2018?
I personally think DJ will be on a short leash Saturday. The team loves DJ, just like they did KB, but they've also lived through the struggles now and the hope of the playoffs is gone. If Cade comes in and doesn't perform, do we trash him too? Blame the coaches again? If he does perform, can we say he wasn't developed. If he does play, and he will unless DJ lights it up, can we accept he isn't DW or TL yet, and has to grow some?
Coaching is about X's and O's, recruiting, and many other things. But it is largely about managing people. You cannot force them into something, they must come unto themselves.
Maybe after yesterday, they can come unto themselves.
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Serious question: what on earth makes you think DJ is on a short leash
Nov 27, 2022, 5:18 PM
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Saturday??? If he wasn’t pulled yesterday he isn’t getting pulled again this season.
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We were winning until 6 minutes left
Nov 27, 2022, 5:31 PM
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He was awful, but we had the lead. The next possession was 3 and out, and that may have been his last if the chicken punter hadn't put us inside the 10. We saw what happened with Cade at ND under the lights in that tough of a situation. What would have been the 3rd possession with 2 minutes left at midfield never happened due to the fumble
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Re: We were winning until 6 minutes left
Nov 27, 2022, 5:42 PM
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This
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Re: We were winning until 6 minutes left
Nov 28, 2022, 5:28 PM
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It was obvious our offense was toast halfway into the 3rd quarter.
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We were only up with 6 minutes left because the D put 9
Nov 27, 2022, 6:23 PM
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points on the board...DJ didn't lead us to 30 points, he only put up 21
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Of course
Nov 27, 2022, 9:07 PM
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but when they've put Cade in it was when we were down and needed the spark as Dabo says. We weren't down
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In the car listening to our radio broadcast
Nov 28, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Forgive me for not being able to follow the clock. Got home again with us forcing the coots to punt
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Not only that . . .
Nov 28, 2022, 2:20 PM
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but if DJ is "the guy," and it's "his team," and he's "earned the right" not only to be the starter but to remain the starter . . . then why would he be on a short leash?
If the starter is solidly seating in that seat and performing in a way that justifies that status quo (which is the unavoidable conclusion of the staff's rhetoric), then it makes **no sense** for them to be on a short leash. The only players you keep on a short leash are the ones that are questionable are down to the last straw.
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Nov 27, 2022, 5:19 PM
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Stupid phone. KB is a million times better than DJ***
Nov 27, 2022, 5:19 PM
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So TL must have been two million better than Cade
Nov 27, 2022, 5:32 PM
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has been
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Pretty tough to believe Cade isnt better than
Nov 27, 2022, 5:54 PM
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A guy that cant complete a forward pass. And the staff refuses to give Cade a shot to prove it one way or the other despite the fact that DJ clearly isnt a viable solution at qb.
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Do you really believe that if the team had not seen
Nov 27, 2022, 5:58 PM
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that the seniors would not have brought up Cade to Dabo. That just hasn't happened. If they had and Dabo ignored them, then you would have real dissent on the team. If it were close to that clear the change would have occurred.
There's a reason that even against Syracuse with the game in the line they didn't turn Cade loose
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Re: Do you really believe that if the team had not seen
Nov 27, 2022, 6:19 PM
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Players are not going to go to the head coach and tell him who to play.
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Shipley told the coaches what he was seeing and suggested some plays.
Nov 27, 2022, 6:49 PM
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He said so in his postgame interview.
Shipley also added that the coaches continued doing what they wanted to do.
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Re: Pretty tough to believe Cade isnt better than
Nov 27, 2022, 6:07 PM
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Up until 6 minutes left, we were still competing for a playoff spot. All we needed was a fg. Williams fumbling on the punt was also a factor in losing. We still had a shot, however slim, until that fumble. Don't get me wrong, it's time for Klubnik, simply because we need to start looking forward to next year.
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You might want to check the box score.
Nov 27, 2022, 6:10 PM
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The score was close in spite of, not because of dj.
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It was also close due to 3 turnovers
Nov 27, 2022, 6:19 PM
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and our preseason All-American safety getting burned deep several times.
DJ was awful yesterday. Pretty sure everyone is on the same page there. Even the coaches are in private, they just aren't going to air it in public.
But in spite of his awfulness, we win easily without the other things
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Plenty of awful to go around. No argument here.***
Nov 27, 2022, 6:28 PM
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Re: Pretty tough to believe Cade isnt better than
Nov 27, 2022, 7:33 PM
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You know, just because you guys only get to see what CK can do on Saturdays doesn't mean thats the only time that the coaches get to see him. They have been watching him in practice during the week for months and months now and they must know that he is not ready - yet.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:24 PM
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Does the fact that Cole Stoudt won the starting job over Deshaun Watson play into this equation anywhere? Not a loaded question, just an observation on which I would welcome an opinion.
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Cole was a career backup
Nov 27, 2022, 5:36 PM
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KB took us to the playoffs. DW's first game was at Georgia. DW basically took over, just like TL, in game 2. Stoudt, being a backup, was quickly replaced by DW. KB was pretty quickly replaced as well, game 4 compared to Stoudt's game 3.
Has Cade shown in practice what DW and TL clearly did? No one knows moreso than the coaches and players. I do not think he has. He didn't in the spring game either like TL did and DW would have if he had not been injured
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Re: Cole was a career backup
Nov 27, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Nobody knows what Cade has shown in practice, but we all known what DJU has shown in two seasons as starter.
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The coaches and pla***
Nov 27, 2022, 5:45 PM
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Players do
Nov 27, 2022, 5:46 PM
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and please players have backed DJ all year.
BTW, mobile app sux
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Exactly. Little tired of hearing the “how they look in
Nov 27, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Practice” theory floated. It’s irrelevant when the starter is losing games for you he shouldn’t. I don’t care if he’s Donovan McNabb in practice.
What we haven’t seen is Cade in meaningful, normalized game scenarios.
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We saw him the last 25 minutes down to Syracuse
Nov 27, 2022, 6:05 PM
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and he was limited in what they asked of him. Did they do that so as to not hurt DJ's feelings or because he's simply not there yet? The game and season were on the line
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So a) he got about 19 minutes in that game, not 25.
Nov 27, 2022, 9:04 PM
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b) I said "normalized game situation". Coming in down 16-21 to a team with 19 minutes left in the game is absolutely not a normalized game situation like DJ has enjoyed all season.
c) You're using a game the kid won for us that DJ would have lost as your evidence that he shouldn't play?
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Re: Cole was a career backup
Nov 27, 2022, 5:52 PM
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Has Cade shown in practice what DW and TL clearly did? No one knows moreso than the coaches and players. I do not think he has.
I agree.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:41 PM
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And swag Kelly the previous year! Dabo basically told Chad Kelly that Stoudt was better..that proved to be an untruth!
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Actually it was the previous spring
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As has been proven, Swag was a headcase***
Nov 27, 2022, 6:03 PM
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Stoudt only played after DW was hurt after game 2***
Nov 27, 2022, 9:14 PM
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Re: Stoudt only played after DW was hurt after game 2***
Nov 27, 2022, 9:31 PM
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DW broke his collarbone in the spring***
Nov 28, 2022, 3:27 PM
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If you think the WR trust DJ ….you have lost it***
Nov 27, 2022, 5:29 PM
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Who among our WR group holds any of the credibility
Nov 27, 2022, 5:38 PM
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that Tee, Rogers and Renfrow did? Our best WR is a true freshman who arrived in the summer
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Which of them had a QB who could hit a moving target?
Nov 27, 2022, 5:55 PM
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TL's main problem was throwing so hard he broke ribs. He rarely threw behind or above the reach of a crossing receiver.
TL struggled a bit with the speed of our WR's when he first got here and taking some of the velocity off his throws complicated that problem but by the end of his first year he had all the bugs worked out.
DJ is in his third year here and still misses simple crossing routes and almost never looks a defense off.
That is true and truly indefensible.
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Who among this WR group is remotely close
Nov 27, 2022, 6:02 PM
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to that 2018 group that added Ross? There is no one on the same planet as those guys on this team. Williams and Randall may grow into it, but the vets are not fast, twitchy, or have great hands. They were recruiting misses, but that's another issue
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Does that make DJ incapable of hitting a laterally moving...
Nov 27, 2022, 6:18 PM
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target, looking off the defense or even tripping over his own feet when he runs? Any talk of receivers is just distracting from DJ's lack of ability.
'But, he lost 35 lbs...' Yet his first step is slower than a 90 yr old woman's.
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If Cade could do that consistently you really believe
Nov 27, 2022, 6:23 PM
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Dabo and the team sacrifice a potential playoff appearance just for DJ?
No one who wants to win would do that. I actually believe the coaches and players like winning
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You're ignoring that Cade's first step is as quick as DJ's..
Nov 27, 2022, 6:25 PM
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best. Cade also can get outside and torture the secondary and he occasionally hits a pass that isn't behind the LOS.
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Cade is also 195lbs, listed
Nov 27, 2022, 9:16 PM
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DW broke his collarbone in the spring, his hand against Louisville and blew his knee out against Tech. He wasn't physically there yet. Neither is Cade.
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Re: Cade is also 195lbs, listed
Nov 28, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Good answer, but why don't the coaches say that? I could get behind that kind of answer, as well as many others.
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Because he is second string
Nov 28, 2022, 3:29 PM
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He could have to play at any moment
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:41 PM
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I really understand what you're saying but the question I've had all year is there were plenty of times that dj stalled out during the season. Heck, 2nd half of GT game, we didn't have to wait until the last drive to give cade snaps. Furman and LA tech, cade could have had meaningful series but we never saw him. At least we'd have known and the players too what cade had or didn't have, if he'd gotten several series with the ones.
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I'd have liked to have seen that as well
Nov 27, 2022, 6:08 PM
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and believe we would have if we'd actually put those teams away like we should have. We didn't.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 28, 2022, 2:53 PM
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My rationalization for the way Dabo has played the QB situation is that once he committed to Cade there would be no turning back and he’d lose DJ immediately to the portal.
So if Cade also stinks or gets injured, then he’s be stuck.
I also think that DJ probably looked much better in practice, but the game is just too fast for him, so there is a big disconnect there. They probably trust his command of the playbook and DJ does fine running the offense all week in practice, but are surprised that the production just isn’t there on Saturday. Other parts of the offense are sub-par, which impacts DJ a lot, so that helps with their justification.
As for this week, no coach is going to advertise the game plan.
My expectation is that DJ starts, but they probably have said Cade will go in 3rd or 4th series regardless (unless DJ is in the zone).
Obviously winning the ACC championship is important, but since we are out of the national race, they’ll start to hand the reins over this week and see how it goes.
I expect DJ will announce his transfer after the ACCCG, to allow the most time to arrange his options. It will also let the coaches prepare for next season with Cade and see if they have to bring in an experienced grad transfer to supplement Cade/Vizzina.
That said, I’ve been wrong all season and they will probably play DJ all game vs UNC and it will be an ugly game that is much closer than it should be.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:42 PM
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Agreed. Cade had to earn more time by the way he played. At some point, he goes in and stays in, because he's the hot hand and everyone sees it. Unfortunately, we never amassed the leads early in the season for him to get real playing time.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 5:56 PM
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Short leash? If they have went this far with him, they’re not going to stop now. I personally don’t think we see Cade at all in these next 2 games. DJ has performed about as bad as a qb can perform over the last 2 seasons, yet he’s still starting.
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I think it’s clear that Cade isn’t Trevor.
Nov 27, 2022, 5:58 PM
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Cade would be playing more if he were capable at this point.
I know it’s easier for some of our fans to believe that Dabo promised DJ a lifetime contract as starter, or is being held hostage by Big Dave, or is overly loyal to his starter. But the most logical explanation is that Cade isn’t as good as DJ right now.
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Re: I think it’s clear that Cade isn’t Trevor.
Nov 27, 2022, 6:07 PM
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He defiantly isn’t Trevor, but it’s really hard for me to believe that Cade (or any other QB on the team for that matter) could be worse than DJ. He can be a good runner, but we have great running backs. We need someone who can read or at least attempt to read a defense
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If Cade were at that point where he clearly was
Nov 27, 2022, 6:14 PM
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doing that, the team and coaches would know, and there'd be a clear reason to make the change.
Can we just not accept he's not there yet?
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Re: If Cade were at that point where he clearly was
Nov 27, 2022, 6:20 PM
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I agree that Cade isn’t there yet, but DJ never will be. Wouldn’t it make sense to start investing time into the freshman to develop him for the future?
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Re: I think it’s clear that Cade isn’t Trevor.
Nov 27, 2022, 6:22 PM
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You may be right. If so, we won’t be close to the CFP for a long time.
10 win seasons will be a major accomplishment
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Then both suck.
Nov 27, 2022, 7:39 PM
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It's unimaginable to think that after month and months of working at the position Cade could be worse on the field than DJ. I do not believe that and won't until I see it.
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You are partially correct
Nov 27, 2022, 6:14 PM
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Yes, the bottom line is Cade is not Trevor. He is not ready and Dabo knows he can't throw him in the lion's den.
The part about DJ earning the team's "trust" is way off base. If you watched any of yesterday's game, it was obvious they don't trust him. On a lot of plays, USCe was daring us to throw! It was disgusting.
If Cade was ready, he would have become the starter several games ago. But apparently DJ still offers the best chance to win.
The reason DJ stayed in against USCe is because we were in the lead until mid-4th quarter. By then, it was too late to throw Cade in.
Against UNC, I would think the leash on DJ will be much shorter. It better be.
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Let me rephrase then
Nov 28, 2022, 3:35 PM
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They respect him. He took a beating last year; physically, in the press and from the fans. He never complained or pointed fingers elsewhere. He backed his teammates as the face of the team. He earned their respect. And from thar they so trust him.
Cade I'm assuming is respected as well, but he's still not been in the foxhole with them when things are rocky. I do hope he gets that chance soon
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The problem with DJ is our coaching staff…
Nov 27, 2022, 6:28 PM
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They can’t develop a quarterback. Trevor didn’t need it but if compare his freshman year to his junior year he didn’t get any better. Bryant was a good athlete but he wasn’t developed into a QB. DJ was a five star coming out of high school, now he’s at best a 2 star. Now everybody is screaming to start Cade. Not sure why they’re so eager to watch this staff ruin another QB.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 6:30 PM
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One of the biggest diff in that scenario is TL actually got to play in a meaningful situation and more than just hand the ball off , after KB literally just took us to the playoffs… cade has not gotten a fair shot at this thing to even see what he’s capable of , is he Trevor or dw prob not but we got to see them and got to see them play with a fervent play book and throw it … ppl talk about the best ints with Cade on a couple balls but I mean #### he’s prob pressing bc he knows it’s his one or two throws a game before he goes and sits back down !! I guarantee it would be a diff mind set if he was told he got 3 series no matter what. And I don’t think anybody wanted to bench DW when he threw like 17 ints lol, it’s part of the hun slinger mentality … are we gonna throw picks yes but we also will have a ton of 300 yard passing games instead of a bunch of 100 yard-150 yard passing games while still having ints … it blows my mind that this kid hasn’t atleast gotten a look to see what he could do
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TL and DW were clearly, very clearly
Nov 27, 2022, 9:21 PM
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elite and ready.
I think we need to realize how rare that is at QB as a true freshman
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Flame away, but I think it is racial.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 6:43 PM
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I’m not sure anyone fan wise can say what Cade can or cannot do, but like many I do not believe the play at that position would be any worse. Cade is obviously the future and knowing what we know about what we are going to get with DJ move on. At this point lose the next game with Cade playing 4 quarters. DJ is not a QB. I hate it for him but the facts are what they are. Even if we get a late field goal and win that game yesterday I was still going to be disappointed with our lack of ability to get the ball down field.
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Not a bad hypothetical
Nov 27, 2022, 6:57 PM
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striperfan ... My hypothetical is TL16 knew he was far better than KB2 and was just himself. And that Klubnik is a Christian first and a pleaser who respects the hierarchy of upperclassmen leadership and that Dabo wants DJ5 behind center. This was never a consideration for TL16. And IMHO, Cade's 18-year old unselfishness and Dabo's stubbornness have not helped the 2022 team. We'll see what happens with the rest of the story -- this year and beyond. DJ is an inconsistent and bad-under-pressure QB.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 7:01 PM
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Cade is not Trevor because there are very few QB’s in that category….the problem here is Kelly Bryant was a far superior QB than DJ…..his arm strength was not as good as DJ but everything else was far superior to DJ…..mental decision processing, raw speed, and ability to take off at any time and not take a sack to get the first time….even though a far superior QB Kelly Bryant was not a team player and Kelly Bryant was all about Kelly Bryant….. I don’t know if DJ is like that are not because he has not been benched like Bryant was, heck he has not even been fussed at by Dabo in 3 years no matter how bad he has played or the numerous critical mistakes he has made out there…..Cade is definitely not Trevor L but he does not have to be to be better than what we have had out there for the last 2 years……but it is impossible for use to determine that because he has not even been given a chance…. We definitely know he doesn’t have to be great or even good for that reason to be better than DJ…..period!
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Do think 1 rhing to be taken into consideration as a fan is...
Nov 27, 2022, 7:03 PM
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DJ & Cade have walked into the door here & are immediately being compared to DW & TL. 2 guys that hold multiple records, are the winningest QBs in school history, & won national titles. Clemson got blessed to have 2 guys back to back of their caliber. The drawback is that now that's our expectation as fans. & sometimes, that's not gonna be the case, regardless of whatever star rating they have attached to them coming out of HS.
DJ, I thought, had shown improvement compared to last year thru 1st 7 games. The Syracuse game I think unraveled that progress. Think between mental aspect, not having the weapons at WR like DW & TL did, & - I'll go ahead & say it - being in an offensive scheme not suited to help him succeed, it just hasn't panned out for him. At this point, I'm not sure that there's anything DJ can do to redeem himself in eyes of alot of folks eyes (in fanbase or national level) - if he came back next year & just played off the charts but Clemson doesn't go 15-0 & win the CFP, it still won't be good enough for some folks.
Cade isn't really been done a good service here either to really see what he can do to spark things. They already blew through too many appearances to redshirt him, & in his appearances, what has he really been asked to do? Syracuse, he was just tasked w/ not turning the ball over & let the RBs do the work. ND, he was put into the ultimate no-win situation there. When DJ obviously didn't have it yesterday in passing game, Cade should've been given the opportunity to see if he could've sparked things. & w/ us out of CFP race, what would it have hurt if we let him finish out year @ QB1. Best case scenario, we go 2-0 w/ ACC title & NY6 win, know we got something, & coaches get heat for not going to him sooner. Worst case scenario, we go 0-2 or DJ comes in to save the day & all us armchair QBs look like idiots.
I think our coaches have tried to protect both guys somewhat, but at this level of CFB & w/ the standard that's been set over last decade, you can't protect them...they gotta be able to prove they got it or they don't & I think the staff hasn't done a good job in that regard (or in working around limitations to find a way to let them flourish). They need to figure it out b/c I think we're treading in territory that either 1 or both might transfer out after the year, & that's not gonna be a good think for next year or years moving forward.
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Re: Do think 1 rhing to be taken into consideration as a fan is...
Nov 27, 2022, 7:42 PM
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Every year there are a certain number of 5-star QBs coming out of high school and we have been very fortunate to recruit a large number of them.
However, the type of transcendent QBs (like DW & TL) are far far more rare. You might as well wrap your heads around the idea that we m,,ay never get another one of their caliber.
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No one is expecting a TL or DW to show up.
Nov 27, 2022, 7:44 PM
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We're expecting a top ten team to have a quarterback who can hold onto the ball, not throw to the wrong team and hit a crossing route more than once in seven attempts.
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I'll say one thing, I've never seen a player seemingly
Nov 27, 2022, 7:51 PM
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struggle so much with success as I've seen in DJ. Maybe it's just bad timing but it seems once accolades start to build and props get thrown out he starts to overthink and bottle up. Last year it was Heisman and TV deals and this season it was low key and steady until he started making QB watch lists midway, then backwards again.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 7:52 PM
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My problem with this (and I think your theory has merit) is what is the excuse when we are trailing UNC by a touchdown and DJ continues to go 3 and out. Dabo keeps him in the game saying he gives us our best chance of winning and Cade doesnt play yet again. UNC wins. Dabo says tbe loss wasnt on DJU (Insert WR drops, player execution, other tean played well, etc.) and we miss another opportunity to develp Cade. I think weve rea hed the point well regardless of his play our staff is going to try and prove DJ is the answer, regardless of the product on the field.
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If that happens, I'd be surprised
Nov 27, 2022, 9:28 PM
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I won't rule it out. But the big goal is now off the table for this year. It really wasn't yesterday until the last fumble. It's no longer just about this year
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 9:26 PM
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I think you’re probably 100% right. What I don’t understand is why don’t they just come out and say it. Just say cade is going to be a great player but he’s not good enough to start. They won’t say that.
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We didn't open with A&M in 18, we opened with Furman***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 28, 2022, 2:15 PM
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Great post
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Re: Cade came to CU a semester early...
Nov 28, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Cade will be leaving as fast as he arrived and will achieve much success elsewhere. Of course Dabo aka the youth pastor, will trash Cade for leaving like every other player that finally sees the light. Dabo is a lying con man and needs to clean up his act. Any truth to the rumor that the NCAA is sniffing around the Clemson program?
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 28, 2022, 4:49 PM
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Cade isn't going to be great like TL or DeShawn imo. He will be way better than DJ though. He will be very good.
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We were rightfully spoiled by DW and TL
Nov 28, 2022, 5:12 PM
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most freshmen are not the best player on the field the moment they arrive. They were.
I think Cade will be outstanding, but he's not that incredibly elite guy right out of high school
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 28, 2022, 6:19 PM
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I don’t think anyone expects Cade to be TL or DW. I think after watching our games that our QB play is below “Best Is The Standard” or that best has a different meaning than it did When the phrase was coined.
I respect effort and I do not think DJ lacks effort. But in general, after 44 years of watching Clemson football and about 56 years of playing, watching etc. football, I recognize excellent, average and poor performance. I do not see excellent and at best the average is average QB play at Clemson the past 2 years.
So, I think the players want to play with the best players and win. Until I hear one coach say that DJ is the best player we have and put metrics behind it, I won’t believe it.
So far all the coaches say is the DJ gives us the best chance to win, he’s the leader, he’s our guy. But DJ’as erformance against good and not so good competition makes you wonder how bad Cade has to be to not get a chance when DJ is completing just 25% of his passes.
And what the coaches are trying to accomplish when they don’t run the guy who is outperforming the QB.
I just can’t get my head around all this but this is what it looks like,. We aren’t developing Cade so we must be developing DJ through playing time. We don’t run Shipley when he’s effective but let DJ pass when he isn’t effective? Again, developing DJ?
I honestly have no idea what the coaching staff is thinking and they don’t appear to want to give us any real idea but DJ is who DJ is. There is no developing left.
If we are still trying to get our QB to a point where he can pass effectively in a game after 12 games, it’s too late. If we can’t recognize what works and what doesn’t during the game, it’s too late. I’m sorry but our friends from Columbia were not so good that they caused DJ to be so bad.
We are making BAD CHOICES during the game. Both players and coaches. Whether it is inexperience, indecision, or just plain not knowing what to do, we need to fix that before we get to Saturday.
We could easily be 7 and 5 at this point but aren’t due to some player’s individual actions and maybe just plain old luck.
You are right about the players coming into themselves. But it’s the coaches who decide who has and who hasn’t reached the necessary potential and get them into the game. I don’t really want a coach Monday morning QBing about what he should have done. I want them to make the right adjustments during the game. If we are developing the coaches with on the job training maybe they weren’t ready for the job in the first place.
The coaches need to come into themselves too or get benched for a better option.
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Re: A theory on DJ
Nov 28, 2022, 6:26 PM
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I think you’ve hit on some really good points.
I believe this staff had a system, and stayed hellbent on putting a QB into that system regardless of their comparative advantages.
Although DJ isn’t a fit for the system either, it’s more sustainable in THIS system for him to slam himself forward off tackle than it is Cade.
Not at all suggesting Cade isn’t mobile. The point is more about body build and mass for the offense Clemson runs today. If/when Cade becomes QB1, I expect we’ll see a different system entirely.
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